Planning my winter cycle

[ajg223]

I’m back and just beginning to think about my winter cycle. I like to buy a bit at a time to spread out the cost a little. Don’t plan on beginning until around December. Will obviously create a log before I begin.

Last cycle:
16 weeks
500 pw test c
8 mg aromasin every 3 days

This cycle was successful although I felt like I got a little bloated and uncomfortable towards the end.

I have since lost about 10lbs of the 20 or so I put on. Strength remains at approximately 90% of my maxes on cycle. Overall, I am pleased with the long term muscle and strength gains 5 months post cycle.

This cycle my focus will be less on gaining mass and more lean muscle. I’d like to create more definition and continue to drop body fat. I know the body fat is 90% diet related.

My initial thoughts are shortening to a 12 week cycle instead of 16. I was also thinking of running 400 mg test per week instead of 500. What could I add to this stack that would help me achieve my goals without totally fucking up my overall health?

 

[s.gentz]

I’m back and just beginning to think about my winter cycle. I like to buy a bit at a time to spread out the cost a little. Don’t plan on beginning until around December. Will obviously create a log before I begin.

Last cycle:
16 weeks
500 pw test c
8 mg aromasin every 3 days

This cycle was successful although I felt like I got a little bloated and uncomfortable towards the end.

I have since lost about 10lbs of the 20 or so I put on. Strength remains at approximately 90% of my maxes on cycle. Overall, I am pleased with the long term muscle and strength gains 5 months post cycle.

This cycle my focus will be less on gaining mass and more lean muscle. I’d like to create more definition and continue to drop body fat. I know the body fat is 90% diet related.

My initial thoughts are shortening to a 12 week cycle instead of 16. I was also thinking of running 400 mg test per week instead of 500. What could I add to this stack that would help me achieve my goals without totally fucking up my overall health?

If you were happy with the last cycle run it again.
Go 14 weeks and maybe think about adding in an oral around week eight to help progress your lifts.

 

[dylangemelli]

The reason you lost that much was obviously water weight you gained as you said you were bloated and you ran the cycle too long.. you need to research myostatin and understand that at a certain point, you are not going to make gains and ALL you are doing is causing extra harm for yourself as well as prolonging recovery, which then makes it much harder to keep gains along with causing yourself a lot more long term harm...

if it were me, with your goals, i would go with test at 350-400 along with a few sarms like rad140 and s4 or acp105.. you would be able to run them 12 weeks like test and avoid all the sides you would get with an oral steroid... or you could go with primo for 12 weeks with test and if you do that, i would go with 400-500 mg per week...

 

[ajg223]

I was thinking about trying primo. Pricey but it seems to be a good option for my goals. I will also read up on those sarms.

I definitely would rather do shorter cycles twice a year than do a long one again. The way I was feeling at the end was almost like I was too big for my body if that makes any sense. I was relieved when the 10lbs came off. I am definitely stronger and bigger than I was before the cycle at least.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I’m back and just beginning to think about my winter cycle. I like to buy a bit at a time to spread out the cost a little. Don’t plan on beginning until around December. Will obviously create a log before I begin.

Last cycle:
16 weeks
500 pw test c
8 mg aromasin every 3 days

This cycle was successful although I felt like I got a little bloated and uncomfortable towards the end.

I have since lost about 10lbs of the 20 or so I put on. Strength remains at approximately 90% of my maxes on cycle. Overall, I am pleased with the long term muscle and strength gains 5 months post cycle.

This cycle my focus will be less on gaining mass and more lean muscle. I’d like to create more definition and continue to drop body fat. I know the body fat is 90% diet related.

My initial thoughts are shortening to a 12 week cycle instead of 16. I was also thinking of running 400 mg test per week instead of 500. What could I add to this stack that would help me achieve my goals without totally fucking up my overall health?

@ajg223

I think the big thing here is you started your self TRT log but no updates in 2 months, would be good in the future if you can share with the EVO family in the future and not leave us
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/self-trt-and-post-cycle-training-log.99703/

your next cycle
I suggest you try testosterone and primobolan
300mgs testosterone
200mgs primobolan
think about sports TRT+ with primo topper

 

[Mobster]

I’m back and just beginning to think about my winter cycle. I like to buy a bit at a time to spread out the cost a little. Don’t plan on beginning until around December. Will obviously create a log before I begin.

Last cycle:
16 weeks
500 pw test c
8 mg aromasin every 3 days

This cycle was successful although I felt like I got a little bloated and uncomfortable towards the end.

I have since lost about 10lbs of the 20 or so I put on. Strength remains at approximately 90% of my maxes on cycle. Overall, I am pleased with the long term muscle and strength gains 5 months post cycle.

This cycle my focus will be less on gaining mass and more lean muscle. I’d like to create more definition and continue to drop body fat. I know the body fat is 90% diet related.

My initial thoughts are shortening to a 12 week cycle instead of 16. I was also thinking of running 400 mg test per week instead of 500. What could I add to this stack that would help me achieve my goals without totally fucking up my overall health?

How it should be done

 

[stevesmi]

12 weeks is definitely a smart decision I'm not a fan of 16 weeks it's just too long

 

[ajg223]

12 weeks is definitely a smart decision I'm not a fan of 16 weeks it's just too long

I definitely learned that. I felt amazing until I didn’t. I actually think I hurt my long term gains in those last few weeks. I was sluggish and didn’t feel athletic.

So it looks like low test and primo is the winner to this point. That makes me feel good as that was my thinking. I didn’t want to say anything as I wanted opinions that were not skewed by my opinions.

If my goal is to not gain mass, but to improve on the muscles I have and shed a little fat along the way, should I be operating at a slight caloric deficit during the cut?

I am going to upload a current photo this afternoon. I may be too fat for this cycle anyway.

 

[ceo]

Bros I think you on the right track
you might want to consider equipoise if you want to change up

 

[ROIDDERS]

make sure you get your log updated
don't leave us hanging anymore

 

[chesty]

I think it's a sound plan
some people react really good to Primo and some don't

 

[Ulter]

the longer you run steroids the more beating they'll put on your body
so it's important to make sure you keep a sensible link

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

LOG APPROVED - PLEASE POST A LOG

 

[e2]

load your photo that sounds good
but make sure you update your log

 

[2Thick]

I say star a fresh log why not
try for 12 weeks you can always extend it longer

 

[ajg223]

Bros I think you on the right track
you might want to consider equipoise if you want to change up

In place of the primo?

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

12 weeks works really good
you never want to overdo it 16 weeks is much harder to recover from

 

[ajg223]

The main reason I stopped updating the pct log is that there was nothing new happening. I got into a groove with my training and diet and have stayed relatively the same since.

 

[Wootoom]

I like Primo a lot
but you definitely want to change things up at some point

 

[JasonPriest]

if your strength is staying at 90% then that's pretty good
you never want to just improve in a linear fashion