Approved Log Pre Cycle Training Lifestyle Log

[neilb]

Hi
I’m 43 years old, 5’10, 80kg, and i’d guess BF%12-15. Ive been weight training for 15 years, but properly and consistently for 10 years. Healthy, active non smoker/drinker.

I would like try a cycle of a PEDs to help improve my physical appearance, would like to put on lean muscle and improve definition as well as hopefully improve my general feeling of motivation. I’m not interested in becoming the biggest guy in the gym or entering competitions.
I went to the doctors a year ago and had tests to see if TRT would be an option for me but all my levels came back in range for a person of my age.
From the research i have done I think i would like to and be comfortable doing either a course of sus250 or Test E over 10 weeks, have 10 weeks off and repeat. My goal would be to get to 85kg with the same or lower BF % i’m currently at, along with hopefully adding some motivation and over coming the plateau i can’t seem to get past.
Currently i’m in a calorie surplus-
3400 calories being 345grams carbohydrates,110 grams fat and 250grams protein.
I eat the same meals daily-
1.Protein oats
2.Tuna, potatoes and broccoli
3.Protein, Berry and banana smoothie
4.Protein shake and Peanut butter Bagel.
5. Spaghetti Bol,Broccoli and 20 almonds.

Supplements are prework out consisting of 200mg caffeine, 5g Arginine, 5 gram creatinine, 6g citrine mallate.
15g EAA with water during workout
20gram glutamine with 250ml apple juice post workout.

Training at the moment is
Day1 Bench Press, Inc Bench Press, Dec DB press, Cable Flys, DB pull over, Tri overhead extension,body weight dips, tri extension machine.
Day 2 Dead lifts, quad extension machine, prone hamstring curl machine, pull ups, t bar row, lat pull down, cable row machine, bicep bar curl, db curls, preacher curl machine.
Day 3, Cardio, abs and calves.
Day 4 Plate machine shoulder press, inc rear flys, military press, db lat raises, cable upright rows,db shrugs, fore arm flexions.
Day 5 Barbell Squats, hip thrust machine, quad extension machine, hamstring curl machine, thigh ab an adductor machine, sitting calf raise machine, smith machine standing calf raises.

I’ve included a current photo and latest body scan from machine at the gym (i understand these are in no way accurate…)
I’ve never had any professional advice and any dietary/workout plans i’ve got are f try on online research so i’m sure i can improve with proper advice.
I’m happy to receive any criticism, suggestions or improvements.
If I do go ahead with the Test E or Sus250 would also like advice if i need an estrogen blocker or any other supplements to help strain on body.
Also any advice on an Australian supplier would be great.
Thanks all

 

[Freki]

but all my levels came back in range for a person of my age.

Yeah within range but most likely real low
look up Imedical

https://imedical.com.au/order/blood-tests/sport-hormone-private-blood-tests

Get the Sports BB2 test
Come back and post results in here

Then all these guys can give you some great advice

 

[Freki]

From the research i have done I think i would like to and be comfortable doing either a course of sus250 or Test E over 10 weeks, have 10 weeks off and repeat.

40 plus mate, unless you want more kids probably easier to go down to a Trt dose instead of PCT

 

[s.gentz]

Hi
I’m 43 years old, 5’10, 80kg, and i’d guess BF%12-15. Ive been weight training for 15 years, but properly and consistently for 10 years. Healthy, active non smoker/drinker.

I would like try a cycle of a PEDs to help improve my physical appearance, would like to put on lean muscle and improve definition as well as hopefully improve my general feeling of motivation. I’m not interested in becoming the biggest guy in the gym or entering competitions.
I went to the doctors a year ago and had tests to see if TRT would be an option for me but all my levels came back in range for a person of my age.
From the research i have done I think i would like to and be comfortable doing either a course of sus250 or Test E over 10 weeks, have 10 weeks off and repeat. My goal would be to get to 85kg with the same or lower BF % i’m currently at, along with hopefully adding some motivation and over coming the plateau i can’t seem to get past.
Currently i’m in a calorie surplus-
3400 calories being 345grams carbohydrates,110 grams fat and 250grams protein.
I eat the same meals daily-
1.Protein oats
2.Tuna, potatoes and broccoli
3.Protein, Berry and banana smoothie
4.Protein shake and Peanut butter Bagel.
5. Spaghetti Bol,Broccoli and 20 almonds.

Supplements are prework out consisting of 200mg caffeine, 5g Arginine, 5 gram creatinine, 6g citrine mallate.
15g EAA with water during workout
20gram glutamine with 250ml apple juice post workout.

Training at the moment is
Day1 Bench Press, Inc Bench Press, Dec DB press, Cable Flys, DB pull over, Tri overhead extension,body weight dips, tri extension machine.
Day 2 Dead lifts, quad extension machine, prone hamstring curl machine, pull ups, t bar row, lat pull down, cable row machine, bicep bar curl, db curls, preacher curl machine.
Day 3, Cardio, abs and calves.
Day 4 Plate machine shoulder press, inc rear flys, military press, db lat raises, cable upright rows,db shrugs, fore arm flexions.
Day 5 Barbell Squats, hip thrust machine, quad extension machine, hamstring curl machine, thigh ab an adductor machine, sitting calf raise machine, smith machine standing calf raises.

I’ve included a current photo and latest body scan from machine at the gym (i understand these are in no way accurate…)
I’ve never had any professional advice and any dietary/workout plans i’ve got are f try on online research so i’m sure i can improve with proper advice.
I’m happy to receive any criticism, suggestions or improvements.
If I do go ahead with the Test E or Sus250 would also like advice if i need an estrogen blocker or any other supplements to help strain on body.
Also any advice on an Australian supplier would be great.
Thanks all

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@neilb
Welcome to Evo Bro!
Look to be in great shape. Great start to your log.
Update your log daily with training/diet so we can learn more about you.
As far as the cycle goes, I would run TestE over Sus if your only running 10 weeks.
At your age once you start cycle]ing you might be better off on TRT then doing PCT.
Get your log going, and we can help you with the cycle.

 

[neilb]

Thanks for the reply. Is there an example of a proper log I could use to work off?

I did some googling but could you please explain the difference between pct and trt?
Cheers.

 

[neilb]

40 plus mate, unless you want more kids probably easier to go down to a Trt dose instead of PCT

Definitely no need to worry about more kids…
Cheers, i’ll check out and order a bb2 test.

 

[s.gentz]

Thanks for the reply. Is there an example of a proper log I could use to work off?

I did some googling but could you please explain the difference between pct and trt?
Cheers.

@neilb
You can use any of my logs as a template. Links are in my signature. Super easy. Just copy/paste and update info daily.

 

[Freki]

Thanks for the reply. Is there an example of a proper log I could use to work off?

I did some googling but could you please explain the difference between pct and trt?
Cheers.

Your balls shut down, so if you come off completely you need to start them back up with "post cycle therapy " vs going from a cycle of 500mg test a week down to a TRT dose of 150mg a week , downside is your pinning for the rest of your life

 

[Mobster]

Let me focus (perhaps overly) on one point perhaps two.
1) 'I'm not looking to be the biggest...' etc. It's similar to two recent posts about not being wanting to be Mr Olympia. Here's a reality. You wont be. I can be quite confident in saying that it's EXTREMELY unlikely that you have the god-given genetics of a potential Mr O. Ergo it's a non issue. Just cos you're considering using PEDs doesn't mean you've much of, if any chance of being the next Arnold. If it was EVERY roid user would have it as an issue. So forget it

2) There are some great articles and sources of information on the forum. Ditto podcasts etc. I'm gonna want you to LOOK at them rather than ask, as you yourself say, beginner type questions. Please ask for clarity if any seem confusing etc

Bonus: PEDs do NOT, in and of themselves, motivate you. That comes from YOUR desire to be better and improve. It's literally mental. And doesn't come in a bottle. Yes test etc can make you feel more 'on' but that still needs you to do the work etc

 

[neilb]

Let me focus (perhaps overly) on one point perhaps two.
1) 'I'm not looking to be the biggest...' etc. It's similar to two recent posts about not being wanting to be Mr Olympia. Here's a reality. You wont be. I can be quite confident in saying that it's EXTREMELY unlikely that you have the god-given genetics of a potential Mr O. Ergo it's a non issue. Just cos you're considering using PEDs doesn't mean you've much of, if any chance of being the next Arnold. If it was EVERY roid user would have it as an issue. So forget it

2) There are some great articles and sources of information on the forum. Ditto podcasts etc. I'm gonna want you to LOOK at them rather than ask, as you yourself say, beginner type questions. Please ask for clarity if any seem confusing etc

Bonus: PEDs do NOT, in and of themselves, motivate you. That comes from YOUR desire to be better and improve. It's literally mental. And doesn't come in a bottle. Yes test etc can make you feel more 'on' but that still needs you to do the work etc

Thanks for the reply.
I totally understand using something will not make you the biggest guy in the gym, i probably didn’t explain properly. I should have said I’m not interested in using several compounds and chasing everything possible extra gain. Would just like to hopefully be able to recover like i did in my 20s and be able to push out an extra rep or two.

I’ve done plenty of reading of articles but I didn’t know about podcasts, I do lots of driving so always looking for new podcasts so will definitely do some listening. Cheers for the heads up.

 

[kcates]

Thanks for the reply.
I totally understand using something will not make you the biggest guy in the gym, i probably didn’t explain properly. I should have said I’m not interested in using several compounds and chasing everything possible extra gain. Would just like to hopefully be able to recover like i did in my 20s and be able to push out an extra rep or two.

I’ve done plenty of reading of articles but I didn’t know about podcasts, I do lots of driving so always looking for new podcasts so will definitely do some listening. Cheers for the heads up.

Yeah, once i found there podcast I listen to it all the time when I am driving and working. A lot of good info on the podcasts. Also check out the free ebooks. I been reading those as well and they are helpful. I highly recommend starting your own log. That has actually become one of the best resources for me. Guys give there advice about your diet and training. They motivate you. They point out things I would never even known or thought of. When I have questions about certain things concerning diet, supplements, cycles, or training I just post them in my log and people give me advice from different perspectives. Its really cool. I found evolutionary.org from OSgear.se where I had purchased some Ultima products and on there website they have a news section. On there I found the podcast. Then listened to the podcast. Then the podcast led me to the forums. Then after hearing Steve and Mobster encourage people to start there own logs on the forums I did it. I wish I had done found them and done it sooner. Start your own log with your training and diet and gain all the benefits. Just look at other peoples logs and you can see how to start your own. People like and enjoy pictures of everything when you can do them. Everyone is super encouraging, supportive and will giving some tough love when needed. Everyone who inputs does it from a place of wanting to see you succeed and do the best that you can in whatever pursuit you are looking to do. Good luck buddy, I will be looking for your log and watching you grow.

 

[stevesmi]

Yeah, once i found there podcast I listen to it all the time when I am driving and working. A lot of good info on the podcasts. Also check out the free ebooks. I been reading those as well and they are helpful. I highly recommend starting your own log. That has actually become one of the best resources for me. Guys give there advice about your diet and training. They motivate you. They point out things I would never even known or thought of. When I have questions about certain things concerning diet, supplements, cycles, or training I just post them in my log and people give me advice from different perspectives. Its really cool. I found evolutionary.org from OSgear.se where I had purchased some Ultima products and on there website they have a news section. On there I found the podcast. Then listened to the podcast. Then the podcast led me to the forums. Then after hearing Steve and Mobster encourage people to start there own logs on the forums I did it. I wish I had done found them and done it sooner. Start your own log with your training and diet and gain all the benefits. Just look at other peoples logs and you can see how to start your own. People like and enjoy pictures of everything when you can do them. Everyone is super encouraging, supportive and will giving some tough love when needed. Everyone who inputs does it from a place of wanting to see you succeed and do the best that you can in whatever pursuit you are looking to do. Good luck buddy, I will be looking for your log and watching you grow.

Great post man. Glad the podcast has helped you. That is why we do it

 

[neilb]

Hi All


Finally got my bloods done. Was some delay , egrf was 53 so took 2 weeks off supplements and 1 week off gym , had bloods redone and all came back in correct range.

Can I please get some advice if looking at my testosterone numbers would suggest I would benefit from TRT.

I believe I could potentially use one of the online clinic services but would prefer to do my self with the advice from others on this forum with similar experience and goals in mind.

Many Thanks.

 

[Freki]

Hi All


Finally got my bloods done. Was some delay , egrf was 53 so took 2 weeks off supplements and 1 week off gym , had bloods redone and all came back in correct range.

Can I please get some advice if looking at my testosterone numbers would suggest I would benefit from TRT.

I believe I could potentially use one of the online clinic services but would prefer to do my self with the advice from others on this forum with similar experience and goals in mind.

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Congrats on getting your bloods done

Terrible lvls yuk

Trt will be starting 100mg a week split into 2 doses Mon and Thursday
Retest in 5 weeks to see lvls, go up or down as needed

Cycle will be starting 300mg of test split into 3 doses mon wed Friday
You'll need an AI on hand incase you aromatise and your nips get sensitive.

Needles and syringes you can order from Precisemedical.com.au

Exactec 1ml Low Dead Space Luer Lock Syringes By Imatec Medical - Box of 100​

Needles you'll need
20g x 38mm for drawing up and
25g x 25mm for injection

For the Testosterone go to the Aussie approved sources thread

 

[neilb]

Congrats on getting your bloods done

Terrible lvls yuk

Trt will be starting 100mg a week split into 2 doses Mon and Thursday
Retest in 5 weeks to see lvls, go up or down as needed

Cycle will be starting 300mg of test split into 3 doses mon wed Friday
You'll need an AI on hand incase you aromatise and your nips get sensitive.

Needles and syringes you can order from Precisemedical.com.au

Exactec 1ml Low Dead Space Luer Lock Syringes By Imatec Medical - Box of 100​

Needles you'll need
20g x 38mm for drawing up and
25g x 25mm for injection

For the Testosterone go to the Aussie approved sources thread

Hey Freki

Thanks for the quick response.

Can you please explain the 2 different doses you suggested? I’m really a beginner.
100mg a week split into 2 doses for 5 weeks? This is too check how body reacts too test?

Then once established and understood how blood have changed it will be 300mg split over 3 doses per week?

Should I just start on the AI to be safe or no need until/if symptoms appear.

Can i stop using test e for a period of time? Will this cause negative symptoms. For Example we have a 4 week overseas holiday in January next year and would prefer not to take with me.

Many thanks again.

 

[Freki]

100mg a week split into 2 doses for 5 weeks? This is too check how body reacts too test?

TRT dose, your on this base dose from now on, it will replace your natural production and put you top of range. The blood test which is a basic androgen test is to see if you need more or less, to really dial it in. Test total, test free, eostradial and shbg

300mg split over 3 doses per week?

This is a beginners blast dosage this will last 8 - 12 weeks
You don't have to blast if you don't want to

Should I just start on the AI to be safe or no need until/if symptoms appear.

Debatable, This is for the blast, you don't want to take AIs if you can avoid it some people don't aromatise as much. There's clues if your E is high. Itchy nips, moody, poor elections, bloating and puffy.

Can i stop using test e for a period of time? Will this cause negative symptoms

There are longer lasting versions you could use before hand its not perfect but would get you through. I was off test for 2 weeks recently and second week i felt it , not terrible. But libido had dropped.

 

[neilb]

TRT dose, your on this base dose from now on, it will replace your natural production and put you top of range. The blood test which is a basic androgen test is to see if you need more or less, to really dial it in. Test total, test free, eostradial and shbg

This is a beginners blast dosage this will last 8 - 12 weeks
You don't have to blast if you don't want to

Debatable, This is for the blast, you don't want to take AIs if you can avoid it some people don't aromatise as much. There's clues if your E is high. Itchy nips, moody, poor elections, bloating and puffy.


There are longer lasting versions you could use before hand it’s not perfect but would get you through. I was off test for 2 weeks recently and second week i felt it , not terrible. But libido had dropped.

Thanks again Freki , explained so well, know what i wanna do now.
I’ve been doing reading on the forum while waiting for the egrf bloods and i’m gonna get in contact with Sassys Pharmaceuticals, seems to have a heap of positive reviews.

 

[Freki]

Thanks again Freki , explained so well, know what i wanna do now.
I’ve been doing reading on the forum while waiting for the egrf bloods and i’m gonna get in contact with Sassys Pharmaceuticals, seems to have a heap of positive reviews.

Nice
No worries at all bro, you'll be more successful doing it yourself then under a clinic. Your in charge.

If there's anything else fire away, we will all help you out
Also Consider adding to this log bro it definitely helps, we are a no judge community just here to help.

 

[Freki]

Also if you can , post a touch down pic in @Sassy's Pharmaceuticals review thread when you have the goods. It helps build community trust

 

[neilb]

Also if you can , post a touch down pic in @Sassy's Pharmaceuticals review thread when you have the goods. It helps build community trust Most definitely will.