Primo possibly reducing free T?

[Nuubgainz]

Evening, Boys.


Been running Test E at 300mg per week, SubQ, for 6 weeks now and had bloods done every two weeks during this time. 2 weeks ago I added 200 Primo E because my Estrogen levels we getting a little high (250ish) and didn't want to mess around with an Ai directly.

Before Adding Primo my Free T was 1750 and E was 252. Got bloods done yesterday and results come back with my Free T at 1220 and E at 150.

My question is, has anyone ever had or seen this happen?

 

[Snayaz]

Curious question tho. Howcome your running bloods every 2 weeks?

 

[Nuubgainz]

Curious question tho. Howcome your running bloods every 2 weeks?

Because I am curious myself and this is my first time with any sort of anabolics. It's only about 80$ to get Test and E levels done and wanted to know what my E levels were more than anything so I could catch it early if they were moving higher than I'd like. Got a full Liver report done this week and got T and E checked at the same time. Wasn't planning on doing them every two weeks during the entire cruise.

I also saw that doing shots subq has a longer period of time before Test levels out opposed to IM. Curious to see where they ended up to gauge if I should increase dose etc.

 

[doomslayer28]

Evening, Boys.


Been running Test E at 300mg per week, SubQ, for 6 weeks now and had bloods done every two weeks during this time. 2 weeks ago I added 200 Primo E because my Estrogen levels we getting a little high (250ish) and didn't want to mess around

Imo you should consider using 50mg of proviron to reduce your estrogen if you don't want to mess with an AI, but tbh 12.5mg of aromasin would have cleaned all this up I think, probably would've balanced your t /E ratio quite nice.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Evening, Boys.


Been running Test E at 300mg per week, SubQ, for 6 weeks now and had bloods done every two weeks during this time. 2 weeks ago I added 200 Primo E because my Estrogen levels we getting a little high (250ish) and didn't want to mess around with an Ai directly.

Before Adding Primo my Free T was 1750 and E was 252. Got bloods done yesterday and results come back with my Free T at 1220 and E at 150.

My question is, has anyone ever had or seen this happen?

Imo you should consider using 50mg of proviron to reduce your estrogen if you don't want to mess with an AI, but tbh 12.5mg of aromasin would have cleaned all this up I think, probably would've balanced your t /E ratio quite nice.

@Nuubgainz thats not a real indicator of anything, bloods can be off 30% easy. Have a bad night of sleep, eat some cheeseburgers and ejaculate a few times and you dropped your testosterone by 50%+. These swings are wild and hard to predict.

 

[ReturnOfTheMeathead]

e2 conversion man everyone is so different its truly incredible. i like the run 500 mgs test for a month then get bloods routine. add in primo if necessary starting low and titrating up getting bloods done in the process until you hit the sweet spot. AIs have sides.

 

[stevesmi]

all that is happening is you are getting bloods drawn at different times giving you differnet numbers. the idea is to stabilize which happens over time when you inject on a proper injection schedule

also the primo is competing with estrogen receptors a bit causing E to drop a bit.

not really anything where you need to waste $$ on bloods to find out, i could have told you all of this ahead of time

 

[Nuubgainz]

all that is happening is you are getting bloods drawn at different times giving you differnet numbers. the idea is to stabilize which happens over time when you inject on a proper injection schedule

also the primo is competing with estrogen receptors a bit causing E to drop a bit.

not really anything where you need to waste $$ on bloods to find out, i could have told you all of this ahead of time

I timed it the same each week to get bloods but you're right, it's probably just a weird swing. Like I said above, I got my liver checked and chucked T and E on the same test. Going forth I will do it each month. Last thing I want is to have elevated or decreased lipids that are problematic that I don't realise.

 

[Nuubgainz]

e2 conversion man everyone is so different its truly incredible. i like the run 500 mgs test for a month then get bloods routine. add in primo if necessary starting low and titrating up getting bloods done in the process until you hit the sweet spot. AIs have sides.

Yeah it really is interesting to see. I didn't feel any weird sides from my E being that high. Was just going off of other people anecdotes and reference ranges etc.

 

[Nuubgainz]

@Nuubgainz thats not a real indicator of anything, bloods can be off 30% easy. Have a bad night of sleep, eat some cheeseburgers and ejaculate a few times and you dropped your testosterone by 50%+. These swings are wild and hard to predict.

Thanks, Man. Going forth I'll keep this in mind.

 

[Nuubgainz]

Imo you should consider using 50mg of proviron to reduce your estrogen if you don't want to mess with an AI, but tbh 12.5mg of aromasin would have cleaned all this up I think, probably would've balanced your t /E ratio quite nice.

I'll look into it. Even when my E was at around 250, I didn't feel or notice any real difference. Just a bit of water retention, based off of what the scales say. If anything, I felt great.

Primo looked interesting due to it's apparent mild nature and potential fat loss. Havn't really looked into Proviron.

 

[ReturnOfTheMeathead]

Yeah it really is interesting to see. I didn't feel any weird sides from my E being that high. Was just going off of other people anecdotes and reference ranges etc.

high e2 is bad. increased risk of clots and cancer.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Thanks, Man. Going forth I'll keep this in mind.

I'll look into it. Even when my E was at around 250, I didn't feel or notice any real difference. Just a bit of water retention, based off of what the scales say. If anything, I felt great.

Primo looked interesting due to it's apparent mild nature and potential fat loss. Havn't really looked into Proviron.

@Nuubgainz also to add, we dont know much about you bro, so its possible there are a lot of factors playing in here. Many believe its just hormonal but its not, diet training cardio sleep and lifestyle play a huge rule.
Have you considered putting up a TRT LOG? it would be good to see for the EVO family and we can help you from it too and guide you better with way more details and support.

 

[Mobster]

Listen to our podcast on Proviron and Masteron

 

[JasonPriest]

No I think it's just fluctuations
the idea is where is a number over time

 

[Quadsweep]

anytime you're free testosterone levels are many times above the range then that's fine
you don't need it to be higher and higher and that's not the idea

 

[Austin316]

testosterone will kind of go up and down throughout your run
it won't necessarily stay at the exact same number that's hard to pull off

 

[sambee38]

yes these numbers are pretty normal to go up and down a little bit each time
I would not diagnose a thing based on one piece of blood work that was a little bit different

 

[BookerTNY]

I would enjoy the cycle and stop stressing
don't sweat the little things

 

[Arabian]

seems like it's a good thing that you are balancing your estrogen
you want to keep that in line don't just depend on Primo