Primobolan Depot & Test - 20 Week Cycle & PCT Advice

[ErikInBelAirMD]

Hello,

First off, if you're reading this, thank you for taking the time to do so.

I'm a 40 year old male. My goal is to add/keep as much lean muscle and reducing as much body weight over a 20 week span.

I have completed one previous 20 week Primobolan and Test Prop Cycle about 4 years ago.

This cycle encompassed encompassed 600mg Primobolan and 300mg Test Prop per week for 20 weeks. Results were great. Crash was not. I used Clomid/Nolvadex/Aromasin/HCGenerate in PCT but it took a while to recover.

Now that I am fully recovered, I would like to make sure I perform this cycle as safely as possible. I've done quite a bit of research but I am no means a mastermind of created a perfect cycle so I beg for you to share any concerns with my plan.

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This is my 20 week plan for my second cycle (if you could please review for any additions, removals or changes, I would be grateful):

Week 1: Boost Week
Primobolan Depot - 1200mg - 3 Injections X 400mg
Testosterone Propionate - 600mg - 3 Injections x 200mg
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM


Week 2 Through Week 18: Cycle
Primobolan Depot - 600mg - 3 Injections X 200mg
Testosterone Propionate - 300mg - 3 Injections x 100mg
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM


Week 19 Through Week 20: Begin HCGenerate

Primobolan Depot - 600mg - 3 Injections X 200mg
Testosterone Propionate - 300mg - 3 Injections x 100mg
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM
HCGenerate - 2 Caps AM/1 Cap After Workout, 1 Cap PM


Week 21 Through Week 28: Post-Cycle Therapy

Clomid 50/50/50/50/25/25/25/25
Nolvadex - 40/40/40/40/20/20/20/20
Aromasin - 12.5/12.5/7.5/7.5/0/0/0/0 EOD
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25/25/25/25/0/0/0/0
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM

 

[ErikInBelAirMD]

I made some initial typos. Please see my edits:

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Week 1: Boost Week
Primobolan Depot - 1200mg - 3 Injections X 400mg
Testosterone Propionate - 600mg - 3 Injections x 200mg
Andarine (S4) - 50mgs/day
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 2 Through Week 8: First Part of Cycle (Reduce Primo & Test)
Primobolan Depot - 1200mg - 3 Injections X 400mg
Testosterone Propionate - 600mg - 3 Injections x 200mg
Andarine (S4) - 50mgs/day
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 9 Through Week 20: Second Part of Cycle (Remove Andarine and Ostarine)
Primobolan Depot - 600mg - 3 Injections X 200mg
Testosterone Propionate - 300mg - 3 Injections x 100mg
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 21 Through Week 22: Begin HCGenerate
HCGenerateES - 2 Caps AM/1 Cap Before Workout, 1 Cap PM
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day
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Week 23 Through Week 27: Post Cycle Therapy
Clomid 50/50/25/25/12.5
Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20/10
Aromasin - 12.5/12.5/7.5/7.5/0
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20/20/20/20/20
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25/25/25/12.5/0
HCGenerateES - 2 Caps AM/1 Cap Before Workout, 1 Cap PM
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 28: Last Week
HCGenerateES - 2 Caps AM/1 Cap Before Workout, 1 Cap PM
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[Barabbas7]

Looks the absolute bomb to me! You must be loaded shooting that much primo, lol!! And all the other stuff! Must be costing well over $500!!

One thing I would look into is running a mini PCT for a week every 4 weeks. Many here might baulk at the idea or think its ridiculous and/or not needed, but keeping the gonads running, even if its at very low levels is better than complete shut down and gonads like cheese puffs!

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[ErikInBelAirMD]

Barabbas. Thank you for the feedback. It's around $600 or so but I won't be doing this but 1 time every few years.

I am still a little spooked that I don't have all the numbers correct. I am also spooked that I don't have the right gear inserted into the right weeks.

I did make another adjustment to 800 primo & 300 test cyp a week so I can reduce to 2 injections a week. Any comments on this:

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Week 1: Boost Week
Primobolan Depot - 1200mg - 2 Injections X 600mg
Testosterone Cypionate - 500mg - 2 Injections x 250mg
Andarine (S4) - 50mgs/day
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 2 Through Week 8: First Part of Cycle (Reduce Primo & Test)
Primobolan Depot - 800mg - 2 Injections X 400mg
Testosterone Cypionate - 300mg - 2 Injections x 150mg
Andarine (S4) - 50mgs/day
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 9 Through Week 20: Second Part of Cycle (Remove Andarine and Ostarine)
Primobolan Depot - 800mg - 2 Injections X 400mg
Testosterone Cypionate - 300mg - 2 Injections x 150mg
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day (10mg AM & 10mg PM)
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Before Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 21 Through Week 22: Begin HCGenerate
HCGenerateES - 2 Caps AM/1 Cap Post Workout, 1 Cap PM
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Post Workout, 3 Caps PM
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day (10mg AM & 10mg PM)
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Week 23 Through Week 27: Post Cycle Therapy
Clomid 50/50/25/25/12.5
Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20/10
Aromasin - 12.5/12.5/7.5/7.5/0 EOD
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day (10mg AM & 10mg PM)
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25/25/25/12.5/0
HCGenerateES - 2 Caps AM/1 Cap Post Workout, 1 Cap PM
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps Post Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 28: Last Week
HCGenerateES - 2 Caps AM/1 Cap Before Workout, 1 Cap PM
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[chadmack282]

Your crash wouldn't b near as bad if I did a 12 week cycle. There is a reason AAS experiences & educated people stick with cycles around 12weeks not 20

 

[Barabbas7]

Hi dude, I'm not really qualified to comment on the ins and outs of your course. It seems to tick all the boxes. A well thought out cycle apart from the duration. I only piped in to plant a seed about a mini PCT for a week every 4 weeks.

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[Mobster]

Your crash wouldn't b near as bad if I did a 12 week cycle. There is a reason AAS experiences & educated people stick with cycles around 12weeks not 20

Me for a start. Why 20 fkin weeks??

 

[TheChad]

Way too long of length. Don’t do more then 16 and if you really want to play it safe for recovery, then stick to no more then 12 weeks.


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[ErikInBelAirMD]

So it sounds like there is concern about 20 Weeks for a primo/test cycle. I’ve heard differing opinions that 20 Weeks would be more ideal to maximize the benefit with little increased risk. Would a 16 week cycle be feasible? Also, would someone take a look at my set up and make sure I have the correct products in appropriate quantities, please? I’m really worried about having the correct set up as well with appropriate products and quantities.

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16 Week Primo/Test Cycle
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Week 1: Boost Week
Primobolan Depot - 1200mg - 2 Injections X 600mg
Testosterone Cyp - 500mg - 2 Injections x 250mg
Andarine (S4) - 50mgs/day
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day (AM/PM)
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Cap AM, 2 Caps Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 2 Through Week 8: First Part of Cycle (Reduce Primo & Test)
Primobolan Depot - 800mg - 2 Injections X 400mg
Testosterone Cyp - 300mg - 2 Injections x 150mg
Andarine (S4) - 50mgs/day
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day (AM/PM)
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Cap AM, 2 Caps Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 9 Through Week 16: Second Part of Cycle (Remove Andarine and Ostarine)
Primobolan Depot - 800mg - 2 Injections X 400mg
Testosterone Cy - 300mg - 2 Injections x 150mg
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day (AM/PM)
Aromasin - 20mgs/day
N2Guard - 2 Cap AM, 2 Cap Workout, 3 Caps PM
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Week 21 Through Week 22: Begin HCGenerate
HCGenES - 2 Caps AM/1 Cap Workout, 1 Cap PM
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps WO, 3 Caps PM
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day (AM/PM)
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Week 23 Through Week 27: Post Cycle Therapy
Clomid 50/50/25/25/12.5
Nolvadex - 40/20/20/20/10
Aromasin - 12.5/12.5/7.5/7.5/0 EOD
Cardarine (GW-501516) - 20mgs/day (AM/PM)
Ostarine (MK-2866) - 25/25/25/12.5/0
HCGenerateES - 2 Caps AM/1 Cap WO, 1 Cap PM
N2Guard - 2 Caps AM, 2 Caps WO, 3 Caps PM
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Week 28: Last Week
HCGenerateES - 2 Caps AM/1 Cap WO, 1 Cap PM
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[stevesmi]

20 weeks on steroids is too long man. the problem is you will have to come off a long time and run a very long pct and bridge

it is much better to stick with 12-14 week max.. I don't care what people say about primo needing to be ran longer.. leave gains on the table, your HPTA recovery is more important!

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Start over.

If your goal is to just keep the muscle you have while losing body fat then why do you need all that gear? Makes no sense. You can accomplish 90% of that goal with no steroids at all and just the right calorie intake. I would honestly only run a low dose of test or 25mg or aromasin for 12 weeks for muscle prevention. This is how I would lay out the entire stack:

Weeks 1-12
test 300mg (per week) or Ostarine 25mg (per day)
Cardarine 20mg per day
N2Slin 2 caps 3x per day before meals

PCT - if you run test use the Perfect PCT, if not then just run a bottle of HCGenerate ES.

GW-501516 (Cardarine) – https://www.sarms1.com/gw-501516
Ostarine 25mg per day - https://www.sarms1.com/mk-2866-ostarine
N2Slin – https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Test-boosting-PCT-c37/Need2Slin-p50.html
HCGenerate ES – https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/store/Test-boosting-PCT-c37?product_id=84

 

[Barabbas7]

^^^ that is what I'm talking about! Great to see a stack that doesn't have to contain gonad crushing gear!! Boom!

Interesting, you state "test or osta"? Are you implying that osta can perform similarly to a test base? I've read LGD and osta are " like" test and tren, and I was thinking the LGD was the test and osta was the tren?! Or is it the other way round, do you think?!?

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[muskate]

^^^ that is what I'm talking about! Great to see a stack that doesn't have to contain gonad crushing gear!! Boom!

Interesting, you state "test or osta"? Are you implying that osta can perform similarly to a test base? I've read LGD and osta are " like" test and tren, and I was thinking the LGD was the test and osta was the tren?! Or is it the other way round, do you think?!?

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He wrote 'test or ostarine' because both are great at preventing muscle loss when in a calorie deficit.

Ostarine and LGD are NOT like test/tren at all. Completely different things. Apples and oranges.