Proviron and a clomiphene dose of 400 mg

[GoldenPlague]

Currently, I'm into a 4th day of 25 mg a day, and the testosterone level has increased to 634 ng/dL, which is 33 ng/dL higher than it was before. 601 ng/dL was the highest level I ever measured throughout multiple tests.

The medication started working faster than I thought. A clomid steady state level will be achieved in 2 to 3 days, and the testornerone steady state level will be achieved in about 25 days.

I'm excited, but I'm still trying to hold realistic expectations, because I don't want to get disappointed and demoralized when I do another testosterone level test in 25 days from now.

I think clomid will increase the T level to about 750-800 ng/dL, but it won't be able to make it to 1,000 ng/dL or more. I think I'm gonna need enclomiphene for this.

But I don't know what to do now. Should I start getting 6,25, 25 or 50 mg enclomiphene per day, which are supposed to be significantly more potent doses than the same doses but these of clomid?

I saw that in some cases, 400 mg a day (clomid) is used and it has brutal effects on testosterone, but I don't want to risk with side effects, assuming such a dose would cause any.

I'm not getting any side effects at 25 mg a day at all, so I think it's totally safe to go on 50 mg a day. And if I don't get any side effects on 50 mg, should I, then, go on 100 mg, then 200, then 400, spending some time on each dose to see if any side effects will appear before I increase the dose?

And a question about proviron.

If increasing the T level to more than 1,000 ng/dL still doesn't give me the needed free T levels, should I use proviron to block SHBG and get more free testosterone?

Proviron is an androgen, but it just suppresses natural testosterone production a little bit, and doesn't completely shut it down. 500-600 ng/dL is my base line testosterone level. If I take proviron at this level, it may cause low testosterone. But if I take it at 800-1,000 ng/dL, for example, the T level will be reduced to about 600 ng/dL, I assume, and I won't get low T, right? Did I understand it correctly?

So, what do you think?

 

[RoidRage69]

You won't notice a damn thing doing this. Your going to end up raising your testosterone levels by 10%. I raised mine by 700% taking 300mg of Testosterone Enanthate. I am going to have amazing results with little side effects. Your going to have zero results with lots of sides.

BTW this should not be a new thread. You should have asked this in your other thread you started. Why not start a log?

 

[Mobster]

Dude, as you ought to know by now, you can suppress levels with a poor diet, stress, bad sleep and over training. The opposite is also true. 34ng/dl ain't shit. Plus your whole reason for taking it - including a more manly jaw, wont change. 643ng/dl still puts you at average.

Can you also explain to me just how you're managing to get so many frequent tests and...

Am I above you in terms of superiority cos here you are asking questions and not giving advice? How many times have you seen your hero Tate asking for advice?

 

[Mobster]

I've also explained to you many times that the actual numbers (as in what difference 1000ng/dl) don't mean jack. I've a buck says I'm in the normal range and can squat a house. Others can be at crazy levels on big stacks and still weigh half what I do. Affinity and individual response matter

 

[GoldenPlague]

You won't notice a damn thing doing this. Your going to end up raising your testosterone levels by 10%. I raised mine by 700% taking 300mg of Testosterone Enanthate. I am going to have amazing results with little side effects. Your going to have zero results with lots of sides.

BTW this should not be a new thread. You should have asked this in your other thread you started. Why not start a log?

Why no results? Clomiphene/enclomiphene increase the testosterone level, and proviron blocks the SHBG hormones that binds to testosterone and prevents its conversion into free T. Won't the combination I'm assuming cause me to get upper natural limit of T and free T?

 

[GoldenPlague]

I've also explained to you many times that the actual numbers (as in what difference 1000ng/dl) don't mean jack. I've a buck says I'm in the normal range and can squat a house. Others can be at crazy levels on big stacks and still weigh half what I do. Affinity and individual response matter

This can't be true that numbers don't mean anything. Without testosterone, you can't have anabolic effects. Also, aromatization and estrogen lower, leading to erectile dysfunction, mood swings, osteoporosis, muscle mass reduction, brain fog, confusion, heart and cholesterol issues, and a lot of other problems.

 

[Phill]

clomid at 400 mg/day.

Blurred vision
decreased or double vision or other vision problems
seeing flashes of light
sensitivity of eyes to light
yellow eyes or skin

for what?
+33 testosterone!?

excellent choice

 

[stevesmi]

You didn’t have to experiment to know that this would happen. Also, like most people out there you’re under the false impression that boosting testosterone levels will solve whatever issues you’re trying to make right and I assure you that’s just not the case.

 

[Noah Wixx]

This can't be true that numbers don't mean anything. Without testosterone, you can't have anabolic effects. Also, aromatization and estrogen lower, leading to erectile dysfunction, mood swings, osteoporosis, muscle mass reduction, brain fog, confusion, heart and cholesterol issues, and a lot of other problems.

My test levels when i was in the best shape of my life had been low 700s I looked great and achieved alot naturally, numbers aren't everything and don't necessarily mean u will build more muscle then the next person plenty of studies on the topic of what builds muscle and what is involved.

 

[GoldenPlague]

clomid at 400 mg/day.

Blurred vision
decreased or double vision or other vision problems
seeing flashes of light
sensitivity of eyes to light
yellow eyes or skin

for what?
+33 testosterone!?

excellent choice

The 32-33 additional ng/dL is from a 25nmg a day dose. I'm wondering what increase I will get at 400 mg a day.

My current idea is to increase testosterone with enclo or clomid, then use proviron to suppress SHBG, and get more free T. But since using proviron can reduce testosterone a little bit, I don't want to use it when my T levels are 500-700 ng/dL, because this may reduce them even more. I want to make them 800-1,000 ng/dL, then introduce proviron and get levels of 500-700 ng/dL.

If I get proviron now, level may become 200-400 ng/dL, which is extremely dangerous.

 

[Phill]

The 32-33 additional ng/dL is from a 25nmg a day dose. I'm wondering what increase I will get at 400 mg a day.

My current idea is to increase testosterone with enclo or clomid, then use proviron to suppress SHBG, and get more free T. But since using proviron can reduce testosterone a little bit, I don't want to use it when my T levels are 500-700 ng/dL, because this may reduce them even more. I want to make them 800-1,000 ng/dL, then introduce proviron and get levels of 500-700 ng/dL.

If I get proviron now, level may become 200-400 ng/dL, which is extremely dangerous.

what you are doing is extremely dangerous... you will realize it... I hope for you not too late.

 

[GoldenPlague]

what you are doing is extremely dangerous... you will realize it... I hope for you not too late.

Why dangerous?

 

[Mobster]

This can't be true that numbers don't mean anything. Without testosterone, you can't have anabolic effects. Also, aromatization and estrogen lower, leading to erectile dysfunction, mood swings, osteoporosis, muscle mass reduction, brain fog, confusion, heart and cholesterol issues, and a lot of other problems.

I explained. You and I could have the exact same number and be different. The idea that you've gone from 600 to 634... you're not gonna see f'all

 

[RoidRage69]

Just face the facts. You will never be average no matter how many drugs you put into your system. It wasn't meant to be.

 

[Phill]

Why dangerous?

this is precisely the reason.
you are doing something and you don't know why it is dangerous