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[LittleTimeTrouble]

Here’s the thing. Math is real when it comes to dieting. If you are in a 2000 calorie per day deficit, which you indicate, then you will lose about 4 lbs a week, but you say you have lost 20 lbs in 25 weeks, so that indicates more like a 400 calorie per day deficit. Something isn’t adding up, and figuring out what exactly that is should be your first priority in your fat loss journey. It’s almost impossible to, long term, lose more or less than your deficit indicates.

 

[RoidRage69]

Here’s the thing. Math is real when it comes to dieting. If you are in a 2000 calorie per day deficit, which you indicate, then you will lose about 4 lbs a week, but you say you have lost 20 lbs in 25 weeks, so that indicates more like a 400 calorie per day deficit. Something isn’t adding up, and figuring out what exactly that is should be your first priority in your fat loss journey. It’s almost impossible to, long term, lose more or less than your deficit indicates.

I have only been doing the keto diet for about 9 weeks and before that I was just eating a regular diet probably losing 1/2 lb per week and not gaining any muscle. Since I started the keto diet I have been losing fat and gaining muscle even faster than the fat loss. The pumps are real. It hurts to even do a stationary bike for more than 10 minutes. For me the Keto diet I can gain muscle at a incredible rate as long as I do a proper carb load every other week. I dont know of any other diet you can gain muscle and lose fat on. In the 90's I used to do a weekly carb load and that was just sick the amount of muscle that I put on. Oh and I just stopped drinking alcohol last Sunday. So there is about 1000 cal per day less in my daily routine. So for this 2000 cal deficit I would actually say it was more like 1000 cal deficit considering I was eating 2000 cal per day and drinking 1.5 bottles of wine each night. I also started on the TRT of 200mg of Test 5 weeks ago so there is another thing in my favor for muscle gain hindering my weight loss. It will be interesting to see my photos a month, two months, 6 months from now. I expect big changes. I have even gone as far as cutting out all soda pop. I only have one cup of coffee in the morning upon waking. Used to have 4 cups of coffee and 3-4 diet cokes per day. I think Caffeine is one of the worst things there is. Increases cortisol and ruins sleep.

Oh and if anyone is looking for a good source of Omega 3 you should go to your local Costco. They are having a massive deal on the Sports Research fish oil. Its the cheapest ive seen per gram for Omega 3. Its only $20 for 150 softgels that contain 1000mg of EPA/DHA.
https://www.costco.com/sports-resea...l,-150-fish-softgels-.product.4000038003.html

 

[stevesmi]

You couldnt be further from the truth. Ive never paid anyone for advice or training and never will. If I dont carb load I lose muscle on the keto diet. I know this from experience over 30 years. I am far from even getting to my muscle size I used to have when I only trained 1-2 times per week in the 90's. Your way is not the only way. There are many ways to skin a cat and I know personally that I shuttle a tremendous amount of glycogen into my muscle and using dextrose is by far the best way to do that in the first 4 hours after being in ketosis for a while. You also need to do a full body workout without destoying any muscle or it wont work. If you lift too hard before carb loading it will fail 100% of the time. Lets just agree to disagree on this one. I do agree with the fasting though. So far today I ate 1 meal after my workout at 2 p.m. Ate a 6 egg omlet with 2 pieces cheddar, 1/2 cup onions, 1/3 cup sauteed shrooms, and 4 pieces Canadian Bacon. Best omlet ive ever had. Can eat it everyday. I will work on starting my first meal at 4 p.m. to get it down to 4 hours per day in the next couple weeks.

that wasn't my point man. i was just giving an example.

but as far as the taking dex to carb load, my point is you want to lose fat right? and even if that wasn't the case i still wouldn't recommend to carb load or take dex. there is zero need for ANYONE i don't care what your goals are to take in refined processed sugars. i don't care if you are a powerlifter or you are trying to be a sumo wrestler. processed sugar in the form of dex just doesn't belong in the body, it is a magnet to disease and inflammatory. but like i said maybe i am not understanding what you are trying to do here.

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Your body is going to tend to use the most accessible source of energy it can get. So yes, if you carb load, you are going to use carbs, which is great because they are the most efficient fuel for any body task, but it isn’t great if you are trying to lose fat, because it will absolutely use circulating carbs before it will go into lipolysis and tap into fat stores. But you need, first and foremost, to rid your body of fat, and thus carbing up is not a great strategy. I have no idea what your body fat percentage is, and I don’t really care, but you have a lot of visceral fat, indicated both by pictures and your description of a hernia. That isn’t healthy, especially as we get older, so you, in my opinion, should work to lose fat preferentially. You shouldn’t lose a ton of muscle at your bf%, because your body would prefer to give up fat instead. Were I to advise you, I’d advise some sort of psmf diet, because you will lose fat mass fastest while retaining muscle, and yes, it will suck and your gym performance will suffer, but you’ll get to a healthy baseline from which to rebuild faster. Again, just my opinion.

this is correct. and this is why the human race has been so damn resilient even through wars, disease, famine, droughts, floods, storms, climate change, etc.
our bodies are structured to store excess fat when food is easily available for the times when it isn't easily available.

and yes although many guys and gals don't think its possible our bodies will tap into that dex the OP is consuming and ignore the fat stores, which is why i am saying he should avoid that

 

[RoidRage69]

that wasn't my point man. i was just giving an example.

but as far as the taking dex to carb load, my point is you want to lose fat right? and even if that wasn't the case i still wouldn't recommend to carb load or take dex. there is zero need for ANYONE i don't care what your goals are to take in refined processed sugars. i don't care if you are a powerlifter or you are trying to be a sumo wrestler. processed sugar in the form of dex just doesn't belong in the body, it is a magnet to disease and inflammatory. but like i said maybe i am not understanding what you are trying to do here.

Hi there. Thats ok. I understand your point. I know you dont believe anyone should have any refined sugar in your body. I have no plans to be perfect in my health. I no that many things are poison to the body, but everyone has to have their own poison. Its not like I eat dextrose all day long. I only take it for the first two meals post workout once my carb load starts. I then go to lower glycemic index foods as the day progresses. Like mashed potatoes and then to rice and then bowels of cereal and so on. I also make sure to eat pineapple and strawberries as well. I have decided that I will shorten my carb load phase to only 24-30 hours going forward and most likely see how that goes and possibly try even less. I will also experiement with not using any simple sugars and maybe try things with zero sugar. If you were to carb load knowing that your main goal is to gain size and stay injury free from ketosis and did it for 24 hours every other weekend what would you suggest to load on? I am all ears. I am willing to try it and see how it works.

 

[stevesmi]

Here’s the thing. Math is real when it comes to dieting. If you are in a 2000 calorie per day deficit, which you indicate, then you will lose about 4 lbs a week, but you say you have lost 20 lbs in 25 weeks, so that indicates more like a 400 calorie per day deficit. Something isn’t adding up, and figuring out what exactly that is should be your first priority in your fat loss journey. It’s almost impossible to, long term, lose more or less than your deficit indicates.

actually it is very plausible he is being close to accurate. here is why, when you eat in a deficit you also burn less calories too

example: I fasted for 19 days. during that 19 days i lost a total of 14 pounds. however the bulk of those pounds were lost the first 10 days of the fast. even though i was still consuming 0 calories daily, my body was burning less calories the longer i stayed in my fast.

and that is why i don't recommend people count calories, because you could count calories in perfectly but the thing is calories out changes on a daily and hourly basis. so it makes more sense to eat clean and cycle calories instead. I also find people who count calories will end up short on calories for the day so they will find it okay to go eat a donut or slice of pizza "Hey i am 250 calories short of my goal so let me eat some junk food". that is why the weight watchers counting points isn't something i recommend at all. and why 99% of people who do it fail at it

 

[stevesmi]

Hi there. Thats ok. I understand your point. I know you dont believe anyone should have any refined sugar in your body. I have no plans to be perfect in my health. I no that many things are poison to the body, but everyone has to have their own poison. Its not like I eat dextrose all day long. I only take it for the first two meals post workout once my carb load starts. I then go to lower glycemic index foods as the day progresses. Like mashed potatoes and then to rice and then bowels of cereal and so on. I also make sure to eat pineapple and strawberries as well. I have decided that I will shorten my carb load phase to only 24-30 hours going forward and most likely see how that goes and possibly try even less. I will also experiement with not using any simple sugars and maybe try things with zero sugar. If you were to carb load knowing that your main goal is to gain size and stay injury free from ketosis and did it for 24 hours every other weekend what would you suggest to load on? I am all ears. I am willing to try it and see how it works.

well i wouldn't be carb loading at all in your current situation right now. i agree with littletime trouble 100%. i would tell you to lose the body fat first and get to a healthy body fat %. 15% should be your aim. and YES he is right. you WILL lose strength 100%, BUT you will not lose muscle the way you think. you will not be as round in the musces, you might be flat, but that isn't losing muscle tissue. just like he said our bodies will attack the fat stores for energy first, unless you are sub 3% body fat you won't lose an ounce of actual muscle tissue. there was actually a study which i have posted many times where ATHLETES fasted for 60 days and they actually GAINED muscle tissue! the reason? HGH skyrockets during a fast. and they lost 3inches off their waist.

but hypothetically to answer your question look at the blue zones of the world, the bulk of their diet is actually carbs as crazy as that sounds. in the blue zones people live to 100 and obesity and disease is non existant.
but here is the thing. the carbs they are consuming are not the same carbs we eat in north america. it isn't bread, ice cream, sugar, and donuts. the carbs they eat are sweet potatoes, peas, beans, fruit, raw nuts and other natural carbs found in nature. Okinawa for example 50% of their diet are sweet potatoes! so they eat a ton of carbs, just the right carbs. in Nicoya Costa Rica its tons of beans, peas and fresh fruit. again tons of the right carbs! but they are healthy and no obesity at all. go figure. zero processed foods, zero refined foods.

 

[RoidRage69]

Ok so here is the thing. When you carb load and you have done a full body depletion workout for 90 minutes while in Ketosis and you start eating simple sugars your metobolism doesnt just stop. You can still lose fat while your shuttling the carbs into your cells as stored glycogen. If I eat 750 grams of carbs the first 24 hours of carb loading that is only 3000 calories. I am only getting about 100 grams of protein and 50 grams of fat with that loading the first 24 hours. The metabolism is going to be flying from being carb depleted and the fact that I burned 1000 calories at minimum during that workout. Should be able to store 500 grams of glycogen into the muscle and liver in the first 24 hours easily for a guy my size. Do you see where I am going with this? I know its not spillover as I am pumped and the bodyweight goes up about 5-7 lbs the first day even while drinking alcohol and being dehydrated. I quick the booze last weekend so I will get a better idea of what goes on from here.

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well i wouldn't be carb loading at all in your current situation right now. i agree with littletime trouble 100%. i would tell you to lose the body fat first and get to a healthy body fat %. 15% should be your aim. and YES he is right. you WILL lose strength 100%, BUT you will not lose muscle the way you think. you will not be as round in the musces, you might be flat, but that isn't losing muscle tissue. just like he said our bodies will attack the fat stores for energy first, unless you are sub 3% body fat you won't lose an ounce of actual muscle tissue. there was actually a study which i have posted many times where ATHLETES fasted for 60 days and they actually GAINED muscle tissue! the reason? HGH skyrockets during a fast. and they lost 3inches off their waist.

but hypothetically to answer your question look at the blue zones of the world, the bulk of their diet is actually carbs as crazy as that sounds. in the blue zones people live to 100 and obesity and disease is non existant.
but here is the thing. the carbs they are consuming are not the same carbs we eat in north america. it isn't bread, ice cream, sugar, and donuts. the carbs they eat are sweet potatoes, peas, beans, fruit, raw nuts and other natural carbs found in nature. Okinawa for example 50% of their diet are sweet potatoes! so they eat a ton of carbs, just the right carbs. in Nicoya Costa Rica its tons of beans, peas and fresh fruit. again tons of the right carbs! but they are healthy and no obesity at all. go figure. zero processed foods, zero refined foods.

But are they strong and huge?

 

[stevesmi]

But are they strong and huge?

in my mind they are strong and huge. they live to 100 years old and live a long happy life

the back end of their lives they are living life to the fullest while most people in North America spend their 50's and 60's getting heart attacks and dying and at best are medicated like crazy just to function on a day to day basis. it simply isn't the way i teach it man. I have been VERY VERY STRONG in my life, i was in my mid 30's benching 420 max and doing 350 for reps like styrofoam, and in the process i always stayed below 14% body fat and ate clean... . and when i competed as a powerlifter i had to make weight and I was literally 6% body fat. i was pretty much almost all muscle. so you don't need to be overweight and fat to be strong.

but i get what you are saying. do you just want to be huge and high body fat? if that is your goal then i can respect that. there are plenty of perma bulkers at my gym who can lift a lot of weight, if they are happy with that then who am i to criticize them? however there is a reason ther aren't many seniors who have high body fat, they drop dead at a young age. there is also a reason none of the mods and vets on here told you to go use steroids in your condition. it just isn't safe and there is a huge stroke risk. so if you aren't even safe enough to use PED's on a steroids forum then shouldn't you be open to improving your standing? but again maybe i am misunderstanding your goals.

 

[LittleTimeTrouble]

actually it is very plausible he is being close to accurate. here is why, when you eat in a deficit you also burn less calories too

example: I fasted for 19 days. during that 19 days i lost a total of 14 pounds. however the bulk of those pounds were lost the first 10 days of the fast. even though i was still consuming 0 calories daily, my body was burning less calories the longer i stayed in my fast.

and that is why i don't recommend people count calories, because you could count calories in perfectly but the thing is calories out changes on a daily and hourly basis. so it makes more sense to eat clean and cycle calories instead. I also find people who count calories will end up short on calories for the day so they will find it okay to go eat a donut or slice of pizza "Hey i am 250 calories short of my goal so let me eat some junk food". that is why the weight watchers counting points isn't something i recommend at all. and why 99% of people who do it fail at it

I am in close enough agreement with all of what you are saying I wouldn’t bother to even try to find the small areas where I would say it differently. It is a very well explained view of a complete and healthy way to eat. And in the end, the eating part is what allows you to perform athletically, and also what gives you the health room to use PEDs, so it is, in every way, the central issue of all of this.

 

[RoidRage69]

in my mind they are strong and huge. they live to 100 years old and live a long happy life

the back end of their lives they are living life to the fullest while most people in North America spend their 50's and 60's getting heart attacks and dying and at best are medicated like crazy just to function on a day to day basis. it simply isn't the way i teach it man. I have been VERY VERY STRONG in my life, i was in my mid 30's benching 420 max and doing 350 for reps like styrofoam, and in the process i always stayed below 14% body fat and ate clean... . and when i competed as a powerlifter i had to make weight and I was literally 6% body fat. i was pretty much almost all muscle. so you don't need to be overweight and fat to be strong.

but i get what you are saying. do you just want to be huge and high body fat? if that is your goal then i can respect that. there are plenty of perma bulkers at my gym who can lift a lot of weight, if they are happy with that then who am i to criticize them? however there is a reason ther aren't many seniors who have high body fat, they drop dead at a young age. there is also a reason none of the mods and vets on here told you to go use steroids in your condition. it just isn't safe and there is a huge stroke risk. so if you aren't even safe enough to use PED's on a steroids forum then shouldn't you be open to improving your standing? but again maybe i am misunderstanding your goals.

I want to get huge and lower my body fat. As long as I can lose 1-2 lbs of fat per week I am going to be happy.

 

[rememberTHE5]

I feel there's a lot of paralysis by analysis going on here.

By trying to control all the little variables, the focus is lost.

Eat well, ie unprocessed food. Train hard AF. Be active in ways that make you happy. Sleep as much as possible. Fast. Be mindful and respect your body.

I compete more than 15 x per year, in various countries, timezones, weight classes and events. I'm never outclassed, always the strongest, lean all year long and mostly vegan. There's no perfect recipe, but there's a perfect way of being consistent and disciplined.

 

[Mobster]

Lot of defensive type arguing. If you're super confident you have it right then crack on and show us the end result. Or, for example, don't argue while posting that you ate that crap you ate the other day. You were honest enough to mention it and, I assume, intelligent enough to know eating shit is a bad idea.

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On the phasing thing - completely and utterly made up to make someone sound clever. As Stevesmi has stated (and I agreed when we debated in a podcast) humans have NOT changed as much as we'd like to think since we were hunter gatherers. We feast and famine. We did NOT eat in a phase

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I want to get huge and lower my body fat. As long as I can lose 1-2 lbs of fat per week I am going to be happy.

In that case, fasting 16/8 and regular 24 hour fasts long with cardio, and ketogenic diets are one of the best.

I'm happy you're here discussing your situation and we can guide you, btw I saw your other post, please try to keep all questions in your log

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...r-sauerkraut-durring-fasted-peroid-90152.html

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I feel there's a lot of paralysis by analysis going on here.

By trying to control all the little variables, the focus is lost.

Eat well, ie unprocessed food. Train hard AF. Be active in ways that make you happy. Sleep as much as possible. Fast. Be mindful and respect your body.

I compete more than 15 x per year, in various countries, timezones, weight classes and events. I'm never outclassed, always the strongest, lean all year long and mostly vegan. There's no perfect recipe, but there's a perfect way of being consistent and disciplined.

I agree with you, I follow your log and you're on top of it big time.

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Focus on a clean real food diet............

 

[RoidRage69]

July 15th Weight upon rising 290.1 Weight after cardio 288.1

50 Minutes of Elliptical. 10 min of warmup followed by 24 minutes of 1 minute intervals. Did 12 rounds. 1 minute easy using hand holds on level 8 for incline and resistance followed by 1 minute on level 12 without using hand holds. Then did 16 minutes of slow warm down. Says I burned 620 cal.

Meal 1) 2 P.M After 16 hours of fasting. 6 Jumbo Egg Omelet, 8 oz mushrooms, 1/2 onion, 2 jalapeno's, 3 slices canadian bacon, 2 slices cheddar, 1 slice Franz keto bread, 5000mg omega 3.
Meal 2) 4:30 P.M. 2/3 serving of some type of Thai Chicken/prawns with veggies in a semi sweet spicy sauce, 5000 mg omega 3
Meal 3) 8:00 P.M. 1/2 serving of the same Thai Chicken, 1 open faced tuna melt, 5000 mg omega 3

I estimate aprox 2000-2200 cals for the day.

 

[Topps_Baseball88]

How are you feeling so far with the cardio and food ?

 

[RoidRage69]

How are you feeling so far with the cardio and food ?

Tired. Having a hard time finishing my food. It’s a day after my back workout so I expected to feel not so good today. I should feel better tomorrow.

 

[ballin2504]

I get that way after cardio also

 

[RoidRage69]

Well so far the biggest improvement I have done since starting this diet is quitting alcohol last Sunday evening. I looked at my fitbit data and my resting heart rate has dropped everyday since. Dropping down to 70 bpm. It got as high as 84 when I was on heavy drinking. Looking forward to seeing how I respond over the next few weeks. Back in 2017 my resting heart rate got down to as low as 54 bpm when I was swimming anywhere from 1500-3000 yards per day 4-5 times per week while squatting 405 for 5x5.

I went back and wrote down some data. On Nov 27th 2017 I was at peak yardage and weightlifting. On that day I did 3000 yards in 60 minutes at lunchtime. I then went to the gym for 56 minutes at 3:30. Then went back to the pool for 2100 yards in 52 minutes at 7:30 p.m. Total cal expended for the day was 4842 with 174 Active Minutes. On my hard lifting days I was at the gym for as long as 2 hours on hard squat days or deadlifting days. Oh I would love to be able to do that again.

 

[stevesmi]

alcohol is a detriment to everything across the board. not just health

best thing anyone can do is avoid it completely.