Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below 
Anyone get massive headaches on Cardarine? Looks like headache and water retention are side effects. Fuck this shit. I am done with cardarine.
Last edited:
I might still give it a try. I think I was low on electrolytes. Took 500mg magnesium, 2,000mg sodium, and 1,000mg potassium. Was out in the sun yesterday for 4 hours on a hot day. My weight didn’t change much so I figured I was fine.
So vision suggests taking 10iu of gh 3 hours before testing into the bicep? Is that the consensus from all you pros on here to get an accurate test for the quality of my hgh? I have labs wed morning for a HGH test.
sure but you can inject anywhere. stomach fat is easiest. i don't get the bicep part
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
@RoidRage69 going from 0 IUs of hgh to 10IUs is a bad idea really bad idea. You shouldnt go over 2 IUs! to start off
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
he is testing it
It’s just a one time thing. I am getting a hgh test to find out the quality of my gear. Vision has a write up about it and suggests going intramuscular as he explains that is the most accurate way to get a good test. He also suggests going 3 hours before the blood is drawn.
APPROVED LOG
I am just testing for piece of mind. I bought from a trusted source. Just making sure.
9/2/23
Weight Upon Rising 274.6
Weight after workout 274.9
Back #2
1 Arm Seated Cable Low Rows
85x15x2
85x20
Lat Pulldowns
145x15x3
Reverse Grip Low Row Machine
150x15x3 Dropset 75x15 on 3rd set
Seated Shrug
180x15x2
Rear Delt Machine
145x15x3
1 Arm Precher Curl Life Fitness Machine
50x15x3
Treadmill 25 min
Food was basically at a party with family. Didnt track much but was well below maintenence at probably 2000 cals. Had carbs.
Weight Upon Rising 274.6
Weight after workout 274.9
Back #2
1 Arm Seated Cable Low Rows
85x15x2
85x20
Lat Pulldowns
145x15x3
Reverse Grip Low Row Machine
150x15x3 Dropset 75x15 on 3rd set
Seated Shrug
180x15x2
Rear Delt Machine
145x15x3
1 Arm Precher Curl Life Fitness Machine
50x15x3
Treadmill 25 min
Food was basically at a party with family. Didnt track much but was well below maintenence at probably 2000 cals. Had carbs.
9/3/23
Weight Upon Rising 275.4
Weight after workout 273.7
Pecs/Tris/Delts #2
Hammer Decline
270x15x3
Hoist Roc-it Seated Dip Machine
251x15x3
Cable Flys
30x15x3
Seated Tricep Extension Machine
140x15
125x15
Machine Lateral Raise
80x25x2
Ab Machine
110x15
135x10
140x10
Treadmill 40 Min.
18 Hour Fasting
Meal 1) 2 Cups Raisin Nut Bran with 2 cups milk, 7000mg Omega3, Digestives, Pre/Proboitics,
Meal 2) 1/2 of Olive Garden Tour of Italy, 2 bowls soup, 2 breadsticks, digestives, 3000mg Omega3
Meal 3) 1/2 of Olive Garden Tour of Italy, 3000mg Omega3, Digestives, Aspirin, Zinc, B12, B6,
Started taking Ostarine and Metformin today.
Weight Upon Rising 275.4
Weight after workout 273.7
Pecs/Tris/Delts #2
Hammer Decline
270x15x3
Hoist Roc-it Seated Dip Machine
251x15x3
Cable Flys
30x15x3
Seated Tricep Extension Machine
140x15
125x15
Machine Lateral Raise
80x25x2
Ab Machine
110x15
135x10
140x10
Treadmill 40 Min.
18 Hour Fasting
Meal 1) 2 Cups Raisin Nut Bran with 2 cups milk, 7000mg Omega3, Digestives, Pre/Proboitics,
Meal 2) 1/2 of Olive Garden Tour of Italy, 2 bowls soup, 2 breadsticks, digestives, 3000mg Omega3
Meal 3) 1/2 of Olive Garden Tour of Italy, 3000mg Omega3, Digestives, Aspirin, Zinc, B12, B6,
Started taking Ostarine and Metformin today.
I am just trying to get a feel for what you all suggest I should take in order to see if the GH is what to expect. I just nervous that it instantly reconstituted within a couple seconds. Piece of mind goes a long ways. I need to make sure that the gh test comes back off the charts in order to get piece of mind. If it comes back within range I would highly doubt it being good.
How much should I inject for it to show up on the test. Vision suggests 6-8IU and PSL shows what to expect from 10IU on their site.
HGH Serum test average result : 10 iu ( 20ng/ml-25ng/ml )
anabolicsteroidforums.com/threads/how-to-check-your-hgh-and-testosterone-serum-levels.47959/
Dosages and Serum levels to expect
6-8ius can yield 15-50 ng/mL as ranges can vary (this has been proven in real life experiences, regardless of the quality, generic or US Pharma grade,some user do NOT respond well with HGH injections, fact this is why it's suggested to keep notes from prior testing) Toss text book reads out the window!
10ius no and into the bicep? No
Great work keep it up! Props to you also for keeping calories under control at party
bro damn yo like to switch shit up
yeah be careful in this heat
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
@RoidRage69 fast reconstitution doesn't determine quality I'm sure you understand that. However, if you wish go test it, I still think if you got it from an approved supplier use it. Otherwise stay away.
What protocol would you use if you wanted to get the best test possible? Injection time before blood draw as well as how high a dose to get an off the chart result. A blood test within normal range would be a complete failure. I want to see a test off the charts to get piece of mind. My wife is taking this stuff.
@RoidRage69 your training is on point strong but seems you keep adding drugs for no reason. Metformin isn't required for you and you can get the same results with Berberine. I don't see the need for metformin, even when you're carbing up when there are other natural options.
@RoidRage69 honest truth is I would want the source to be approved and test the hgh before I got it with 1000s of customers over dozens of years, think PSL think D-S think Naps thinks ugfreak. I would want the source to do the leg work, not be the guinea pig.
Nice training
I am just doing it to get piece of mind. I dont doubt its not legit. I just want to make 100% sure. They have no reason to pay for a test as I am not saying it isnt legit. Just doing it since its a cheap test.
I already have a script for metformin and I am only taking 1/2 tab. I am also introducing carbs back into my diet. My body needs them to heal. I cant eat enough calories to heal unless I get carbs. Doing carbs around training window.
yeah 5-10iu's then testing is fine. but what i was saying is just pin the stomach fat with peptides. easiest place
Is there any reason to believe why Vision was saying to pin 3 hours before the test?
I think HGH peaks in the blood around two hours, so maybe it will give you a very definite reading.
Yeah ok. I will shoot for 2-2.5 hours before and will probably just shoot the entire 10iu vial.
let us know the results!
@RoidRage69 cardarine gw doesn't impact head blood flow it's likely another imbalance
I think it’s the proviron.
I think it’s the proviron.
bro i think 90 minutes post hgh take test. 3 hours sound long
9/4/23
Weight Upon Rising 276.7
Weight after workout 275.6
Legs #2
Cybex Plate Loaded Squat
720x15x2
Hoist 1 leg SLDL
90x8
90x10
Leg Ext 1 leg
78x20
78x18
Seated Leg Curls
152x20x2
Weighted Ab machine
50x15
90x10
30 Min Treadmill
Started eating carbs right before workout and for the remainder of the day after getting home from workout. Will be doing this for the foreseable future. Body has shut down and will be upping calories but still way below maintenence. My sleep cycle has been shit until I added carbs. Last night I had carbs for 3 meals and I had the best nights sleep in over 3 months. Basically switching the fat cals with carb cals. Keeping protein pretty much the same. Fat will still be coming from natural sources in the protens and the Omega3 I supplement. Looking at going up to 3500 cals on leg days, 3000 on pull days, and 2500 on push days. Non lifting days will be OMAD days with about 30-50 grams carbs and 1000-1200 cals. Carbs on OMAD days will come from either pineapple or raspberries. Carbs on lifting days will come from sweet potatoes, oats, lentils, granola, milk, fruit, rice, and beans. Omad days will also be heavy cardio days. 2hrs on treadmill at 15 incline unless hips are acting up.
Also serioulsly considering lowering my doses of injectables down by 25% for the 4 I am taking. Will see how it goes this week. The proviron also seems to have a real kick to it. I notice my face getting a flushing/warm/swelling feeling an hour each time I take it. Is this normal? Is 50mg too much?
12 hours Fasting
Meal 1 Pre-workout 10:30 A.M.) 1.5 cups Private Selection Maple Pecan Granoloa Clusters, 2 cups 1% Lactose Free Milk, digestives
Meal 2 Post-workout 2:30 P.M.) 2 cups Granola, 3 cups Milk, half package raspberries, Maple Bar, 5000mg Omega3, 2000mg EPO, vits, minerals, probiotics, NAC, milk thistle, artichoke extract, dandelion
Meal 3 6 P.M.) 8 oz ribeye trimmed fat off, 1/2 package 90 sec rice, 1/2 can of refried beans, pineapple, salsa, digestives
Meal 4 9:20 P.M.) 1 cup Granola, 1.5 cup Milk, Fairlife Protein Drink, Pineapple, 7,000mg Omega3, Digestives, Pre-biotics, Probiotics, NAC, Saw Palmetto
Weight Upon Rising 276.7
Weight after workout 275.6
Legs #2
Cybex Plate Loaded Squat
720x15x2
Hoist 1 leg SLDL
90x8
90x10
Leg Ext 1 leg
78x20
78x18
Seated Leg Curls
152x20x2
Weighted Ab machine
50x15
90x10
30 Min Treadmill
Started eating carbs right before workout and for the remainder of the day after getting home from workout. Will be doing this for the foreseable future. Body has shut down and will be upping calories but still way below maintenence. My sleep cycle has been shit until I added carbs. Last night I had carbs for 3 meals and I had the best nights sleep in over 3 months. Basically switching the fat cals with carb cals. Keeping protein pretty much the same. Fat will still be coming from natural sources in the protens and the Omega3 I supplement. Looking at going up to 3500 cals on leg days, 3000 on pull days, and 2500 on push days. Non lifting days will be OMAD days with about 30-50 grams carbs and 1000-1200 cals. Carbs on OMAD days will come from either pineapple or raspberries. Carbs on lifting days will come from sweet potatoes, oats, lentils, granola, milk, fruit, rice, and beans. Omad days will also be heavy cardio days. 2hrs on treadmill at 15 incline unless hips are acting up.
Also serioulsly considering lowering my doses of injectables down by 25% for the 4 I am taking. Will see how it goes this week. The proviron also seems to have a real kick to it. I notice my face getting a flushing/warm/swelling feeling an hour each time I take it. Is this normal? Is 50mg too much?
12 hours Fasting
Meal 1 Pre-workout 10:30 A.M.) 1.5 cups Private Selection Maple Pecan Granoloa Clusters, 2 cups 1% Lactose Free Milk, digestives
Meal 2 Post-workout 2:30 P.M.) 2 cups Granola, 3 cups Milk, half package raspberries, Maple Bar, 5000mg Omega3, 2000mg EPO, vits, minerals, probiotics, NAC, milk thistle, artichoke extract, dandelion
Meal 3 6 P.M.) 8 oz ribeye trimmed fat off, 1/2 package 90 sec rice, 1/2 can of refried beans, pineapple, salsa, digestives
Meal 4 9:20 P.M.) 1 cup Granola, 1.5 cup Milk, Fairlife Protein Drink, Pineapple, 7,000mg Omega3, Digestives, Pre-biotics, Probiotics, NAC, Saw Palmetto
@RoidRage69 if the last diet OMAD was working you should have stuck to it for 16 weeks before making changes imo
APPROVED LOG
metformin a no no but berberine willw ork just as well in your situation
@RoidRage69 you're on your way get that HGH in there high dose it and REALLY shred up
I am still doing OMAD 3 days per week. My body is breaking down. I am still in a huge cal deficit. Carbs are needed.
I am taking 1/4 of the suggested dose. It will be fine. No side effects.
Is it safe to take 20mg cialis everyday while on a cycle? I ask because it is supposed to help with blood pressure. I am taking 10mg now but was wondering if 20mg would be better for bp since I am a big guy.
For you youngsters out there, this is how you feel in a marriage that lasts decades.
Yes the example I gave were maximum amounts of cals for the day but will most likely be much lower than that. I would say probably 200-300 grams on leg day, 200-250 grams on pull day, and 150-200 on push day. It all depends on how I feel at the time if I need to heal faster and my cal burn rate for the day. Doing a ton of treadmill at 15 degree incline. Averaging a little over 2 hours per day on non lifting days. Cardio days will be 30 grams carbs during my OMAD 24 hour fasting.
You’re doing killer
Keep after it
9/5/23
Weight Upon Rising 275.9
Weight after workout 274.0
2hr25min Treadmill. 2hr 5min at 15 degree incline 2.4 speed.
20 Min cold bath after getting home from cardio to help speed up recovery
23 Hour Fasting
Meal of the Day) 8 oz ribeye, 16oz large shrimp boiled in beer dipped in garlic butter, 1/2 cucumber, couple pieces pineapple, handful of raspberries, 10,000mg Omega3, 2,000mg EPO, Pre/Probiotics, NAC, Aspirin, B12, B6, Zinc, Artichoke Extract, Dandelion, Milk Thistle, Saw Palmetto, Daily Vitamin, Vit D, 20 grams collagen.
Weight Upon Rising 275.9
Weight after workout 274.0
2hr25min Treadmill. 2hr 5min at 15 degree incline 2.4 speed.
20 Min cold bath after getting home from cardio to help speed up recovery
23 Hour Fasting
Meal of the Day) 8 oz ribeye, 16oz large shrimp boiled in beer dipped in garlic butter, 1/2 cucumber, couple pieces pineapple, handful of raspberries, 10,000mg Omega3, 2,000mg EPO, Pre/Probiotics, NAC, Aspirin, B12, B6, Zinc, Artichoke Extract, Dandelion, Milk Thistle, Saw Palmetto, Daily Vitamin, Vit D, 20 grams collagen.
nice workout here bro
Thanks bro. Are you going to start a new log. Would be interesting to see how the gains hold up.
My man at 273lbs you have so much glycogen storage you don't need that carb up especially if you trying for going down in weight that could mess up the results or stall you long term and if you want carbs try 30-50g no higher before a workout if u feel you need something. I personally always train fasted.
I need the carbs on lifting days. My metabolism is finally picking back up again since adding carbs on lifting days. I am burning over 5000 calories now on cardio days. I still expect to be 30 lbs lighter in 4 months.
I am also sweating a lot more since adding carbs. That’s proof to me my metabolism has gone up and adding the carbs was the right move. I am not going to lose weight at all costs. Refuse to damage my body.
My sleep has also improved dramatically since adding carbs.
LevButlerov
Veteran Mod
Head Moderator
Raptor Labs VIP
UGL OZ VIP
Senior Moderator
EVO V.I.P.
Domestic-Supply.com
@RoidRage69 I would disagree that you need carbohydrates on lifting days. In your other threads I read you're experienced in ketogenic diets, so low carb training can be effective, especially fasted, considering your size. There is a lot of storage day to do.
But if you plan to mix this in with low carb OMAD days at least 3 days, that's a start.
I’m eating carbs because my body is broken. The carbs are helping me heal. I can’t eat enough food to keep my metabolism going on just proteins and fat. If I eat too much protein my gout gets really bad and feet are in pain. I’m already burning more calories than 99% of the people on this forum. I’m doing over 2 hrs at 15degree incline on treadmill 3-4 days per week.
I’m also on a cycle with gh, cardarine, osterine, bpc-157, metformin, and 650mg of anabolics/androgens. I can’t survive on a 3000 cal daily deficit without giving up my sleep. I really donot feel like drinking 1000 calories of oil each day to increase my cals above 2,000.
And yes I am doing OMAD 3
days per week on non lifting days.
Last edited:
9/6/23
Weight Upon Rising 275.6
Weight after workout 273.3
2hr25min Treadmill. 2hr 5min at 15 degree incline up to 2.8 speed.
24 Hour Fasting
Meal of the Day) 16 oz ribeye trimmed off all fat, broccoli, couple pieces pineapple, handful of raspberries, 1 cup Catalina Crunch, Fairlife Protein Drink, 10,000mg Omega3, 2,000mg EPO, Pre/Probiotics, NAC, Aspirin, B12, B6, Zinc, Artichoke Extract, Dandelion, Milk Thistle, Saw Palmetto, Daily Vitamin, Vit D, Collagen
Weight Upon Rising 275.6
Weight after workout 273.3
2hr25min Treadmill. 2hr 5min at 15 degree incline up to 2.8 speed.
24 Hour Fasting
Meal of the Day) 16 oz ribeye trimmed off all fat, broccoli, couple pieces pineapple, handful of raspberries, 1 cup Catalina Crunch, Fairlife Protein Drink, 10,000mg Omega3, 2,000mg EPO, Pre/Probiotics, NAC, Aspirin, B12, B6, Zinc, Artichoke Extract, Dandelion, Milk Thistle, Saw Palmetto, Daily Vitamin, Vit D, Collagen
Forgot to mention that I changed my ester of Test Cyp to Test Enanthate because that is what is inside the TRT Plus from PSL. Also lowered my doses from 50mg EOD to 42.5mg EOD of all 4 I am taking.
Current PED's
42.5mg NPP EOD
42.5mg Test Enanthate EOD
42.5mg EQ EOD
42.5mg Masteron Enanthate EOD
25mg Proviron Twice Daily
Cardarine 25mg Day
Andarine 25mg Twice Daily
Ostarine 20mg Day
BPC-157 375mcg Twice Daily
HGH 2IU before first meal of day. 3 p.m. on lifting days/8 p.m. on cardio days. Will change to 5 days per week next week and take 2 OMAD days off.
10mg Cilais Day
Current PED's
42.5mg NPP EOD
42.5mg Test Enanthate EOD
42.5mg EQ EOD
42.5mg Masteron Enanthate EOD
25mg Proviron Twice Daily
Cardarine 25mg Day
Andarine 25mg Twice Daily
Ostarine 20mg Day
BPC-157 375mcg Twice Daily
HGH 2IU before first meal of day. 3 p.m. on lifting days/8 p.m. on cardio days. Will change to 5 days per week next week and take 2 OMAD days off.
10mg Cilais Day
Burning 5,000 calories in a day is crazy!
2 days in a row. Yesterday I burned 5206.
I suppose I should do it on the 13th as that would be 2 months. I’ve lost at over 20 lbs and put on muscle mass. My average calorie burn has also gone from 27,000 per week to almost 31,000 last week and tracking higher this week.
@RoidRage69 to be fair, fasting helps you heal not carbs. There is no science or data to link HIGH blood sugar (constant carbohydrate intake) with recovery of anything. In fact there is data against it. but you're doing OMAD at least 3 days that will help.
@RoidRage69 10mgs cialis is too much IMO you're exhaust your nitric oxide (NO) in the body, 5mgs of tadalafil ED is more up your alley.
@RoidRage69 On the OMAD days go full ketogenic, drop raspberries and any protein drinks, just eat meat and veggies. Btw I love ribeye.
9/7/23
Weight Upon Rising 274.0
Weight after workout 273.3
Back #2
1 Arm Cable Rows
90x15x2
90x17
Close Grip Pulldown
175x10
165x10x2 Dropset 90x8
Reverse Grip Seated Low Row
155x15x3 Dropset 80x15
Seated Shrugs
180x18x3
Preacher Curl Machine 1 Arm
50x15
55x15
60x11
Rear Delt Machine
145x15x3
Ab Machine
100x15
150x15x2
1 minute Plank
40 Min Treadmill
17.5 Hour Fasting
Meal 1) 1.5 cups Granola, 1.5 cups Milk, 1 Greek Yogurt, Digestives, 5,000mg Omega3, 2,000mg EPO, NAC, Multi Vit
Meal 2) 2 Servings Sushi, 20 Grams Collagen, Fairlife Protein Drink, Pre/Pro-biotics, digestives, 3,000mg Omega3
Meal 3) 4oz Ribeye trimmed, 1/2 bag 90 sec rice, 1/2 can black beans, 1/2 can beets, 2 chunks pineapple, NAC, Milk Thistle, Artichoke extract, Dandelion Root, Saw Palmetto, 3,000mg Omega3
Havent added up calories or macros but I figure about 150 grams protein and probably 2000 calories. Have already burned 4055 cals with 3 hours left in the day so about 4500 for the day on a non cardio day.
Weight Upon Rising 274.0
Weight after workout 273.3
Back #2
1 Arm Cable Rows
90x15x2
90x17
Close Grip Pulldown
175x10
165x10x2 Dropset 90x8
Reverse Grip Seated Low Row
155x15x3 Dropset 80x15
Seated Shrugs
180x18x3
Preacher Curl Machine 1 Arm
50x15
55x15
60x11
Rear Delt Machine
145x15x3
Ab Machine
100x15
150x15x2
1 minute Plank
40 Min Treadmill
17.5 Hour Fasting
Meal 1) 1.5 cups Granola, 1.5 cups Milk, 1 Greek Yogurt, Digestives, 5,000mg Omega3, 2,000mg EPO, NAC, Multi Vit
Meal 2) 2 Servings Sushi, 20 Grams Collagen, Fairlife Protein Drink, Pre/Pro-biotics, digestives, 3,000mg Omega3
Meal 3) 4oz Ribeye trimmed, 1/2 bag 90 sec rice, 1/2 can black beans, 1/2 can beets, 2 chunks pineapple, NAC, Milk Thistle, Artichoke extract, Dandelion Root, Saw Palmetto, 3,000mg Omega3
Havent added up calories or macros but I figure about 150 grams protein and probably 2000 calories. Have already burned 4055 cals with 3 hours left in the day so about 4500 for the day on a non cardio day.
Last edited:
I’m only eating carbs on lifting days for a 6 hour window. Not high carbs either. Today was probably 250 grams on the high end, tomorrow will be much less as it’s push day. I am getting horrible sleep on keto days lately and carbs help me sleep so that is how it’s going to be for a month and see where we are and readjust if I’m healed up.
Yes I am doing keto on OMAD days.
APPROVED LOG
good job, you are a respected logger
what is the difference between days you are burning 5000 and 4000 calories?
bro i don't care what they say yo a sex guy
Lifting days are much lower than the days I do 2.5 hours treadmill.
No issues whatsoever. I love the stuff.
You get those hgh numbers back yet?
Not yet. I wonder how long it usually takes. I know it took 7 days for my Total Test and Free Test to come back.
I'm curious on those test results
My GH level came back at 4.3
This was after taking a 10IU vial of Gtropin from PSL. I have over 270 iu of it left and not sure what to do. My wife is a little anxious now since she is using it too.
Last edited:
Came back at 4.3
What was expected at that dose?
Yikes. Looks like they are going to have to look into this. Good intuition on checking here.
Yes after my first dose of 2 iu last week the next morning my eyes got puffy and it felt like my blood pressure was up. Last time I felt that was during PCT back in the 90’s when taking HCG.
Last thing I want is for my wife to get pregnant in her 50’s.
Yeah that is not good my man, did you contact a psl rep and get ant answers or ask ant questions, if you have used hcg before and u are getting the same feelings and symptoms as hcg, maybe something is off some how or got switched around ? I am unsure but definitely contact a rep and the source so it gets figured out
Similar threads
