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I haven’t contacted anyone yet. It’s a Friday and I am tired and not sure who to contact. If a mod knows who to contact for this situation please help me out.
One of the reps will see this and probably reach out if not we can get u into contact with a rep or psl directly
Thanks. Yeah I’ve been so excited to finally explore the fountain of youth for my wife and I and really am bummed. I just want legit gh. Glad I didn’t wait until December to start it.
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I am sure it is just a misunderstanding or possible mixup brother, knowing PSL and the reps they will give it resolved and take care of you, just be patient we will try to see if we can get it all sorted for you. I completely understand how you feel brother, just know it will get handled once psl sees something is possibly off.
@RoidRage69 PSL is on vacation restocking for 2 weeks check this out
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...mporary-closure-restocking-please-read.90689/
@~Vision~ @Phill @PSL check this please.
@RoidRage69 20 is a random number, if you had an hgh deficit you could be closer to 5, can you post bloods please? blur our personal info
need to see the bloods and please post exactly when you injected and got the bloods done .. i think you should have waited a bit longer, like 90 minutes-2 hours to get them.. 30 minutes was very fast and you could have went from 2 to 4 in that time. then jumped in the next 30 minutes. when they test children for gh they do it over the course of 4 hours every 30 minutes. so the idea is at 30 minutes the numbers do rise, but they do not peak.. before we freak out i would test it again but this time at 90-100 minute mark.. then we can compare the numbers to that .. if the number jumps then we know the hgh is good
2 hr 40 min after injection.
Where did you ever get a number of 30 minutes?
Hopefully this will post properly
The only thing I can think to do is have it tested directly, but that is $300 or so, so its a pretty bad situation.
I want to send it back and get real gh that they can gurantee. None of the bottles have a vacuum either. I do have Eurotropin from them as well that I havent used. I am thinking the Gtropin could be bad but maybe the Europtropin is good. Either way I an pretty pissed off right now.
I really want them to fix this as I like the service I get from them and I have spent over $2500 in the last 2 months from them. I bought all my stuff from them and will continue to do so as long as they come through.
We greatly appreciate your business, and we look forward and hope that we can still have a nurturing business relationship with you.
Historically this is literally the first complaint we have had with G-tripin.
This is one of our main signature HGH brands that we have carried for an extremely long time.
This is actually the first complaint that I have ever seen and that includes all and any messages to customer service or sales representatives.
Would it be possible for you to do a retest?
When testing HGH so many things can throw the numbers off.
Yes I can always do another test. I also have Eurotropin from in 40IU vials. I wonder if I should do a test the same exact way and try that one out and compare the differences.
Let's do a retest, if I may request that you follow a specific protocol, from there let's see what happens.. This is the protocol that I use whenever I test. It has never let me down.
I think we should try the Europtropin I purchased from you guys and do it the same exact way I did the last test and compare. That would rule out many things.
No I really don't think that would rule out anything.
You can do whatever testing you feel comfortable with, but I think you'll be fair to owe it a retest.
But if you feel that doing the back-to-back test will prove something. Have at it.
I'm a man of science, and in science It's not often they go with the first result and from there they make their analysis and final conclusion.
I am assuming you want to have me inject directly into my muscle. I have seen tests and with 10iu injected directly into muscle the tests come out twice as high as your own website states for the product.
Why don’t we just crowdfund a test from Janoshik. That way it isn’t a question of how a person injects, how his body reacts etc. I’ll chip in $50 bucks toward the cause if others are interested.
Booked a test for Wed. I am going to do it the exact same way and use the Eurotropin from a 40IU vial. I will use 10IU and take the test exactly the same. If it comes back at a much higher level it will prove alot. If it comes back low I then can take another test the way Vision wants me to do it. At least this way its from the same exact vial so it should be a good comparison.
That's not entirely accurate that's a results come out twice as high.
And no I was not going to tell you to use directly into the muscle, but that actually isn't a bad idea with utilizing a small virgin muscle tissue..
There is no way to cheat with the route of administration, different routes of administration minimize potential factors.
Do whatever makes you feel comfortable
If we can be a further assistance please do not hesitate to reach out and let us know.
Ok what is the protocol that you would suggest.
Just reconstituted the Eurotropin and it was a huge difference compared to the G-Tropin. The 5 vials of G-Tropin that ive reconstitued so far didn't have a vacuum and it reconstituted immediately. The Eurotropin had a vacuum of about 3 cc air and took a while to reconstitute. Big difference so far. Testing will be interesting. My wife will be using the Eurotropin from now on. I expect big difference. She has taken legit GH in the past and had incredible results on it. Will be monitoring sleep and resting HR and see the difference. Ever since she started the G-tropin her resting HR has gone up 7 points. Cant wait to see what happens over the next week on the Eurotropin.
EP is phenomenal HGH.
Waiting to find out what to do. Ive spent $2500 in the last couple months and seems nothing is going to get done on here. With PSL being closed for 2 weeks I guess I am SOL. I am so sick of this crap. I dont even feel like posting anymore. Cant even fucking believe this crap. Little guy gets shit on again. Anyone at PSL I can contact?
I want my money back if I cant be assured to get good product. I am losing money getting another test done. Do customers always get the shaft? Is it possible that the GH you sent is no good and somone didnt handle 100% properly over the last two years? How come every single G-tropin vial I have reconsituted have zero vacuum while the other brand I opened today does?
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What do you think about my idea of crowdfunding having it tested at Janoshik? My experience with him has been excellent. I’ve only sent him blind samples, and he has identified them correctly. At least it will give a definitive answer, and with that, everybody involved will be clear on the correct remedy for the situation. It only takes about a week. Other forums and various groups do this regularly.
As I said, I’ll chip in $50 for it, if others are interested. Total with shipping will be $400 or so.
As I said, I’ll chip in $50 for it, if others are interested. Total with shipping will be $400 or so.
I don't think it will help. I think it is most likely legit GH but it has gone bad. There is no vacuum in the vials.
9/8/23
Weight Upon Rising 275.0
Weight after workout 272.5
Chest/Tris #2
Hammer Decline
325x13x2
325x16
Hoist Roc-it Chest Press
190x15x2
Tricep Machine Extension 1 Arm
50x15
60x15
60x16
Tricep DB Kickbacks
32.5x15
32.5x13
Machine Lateral Raises
110x20
115x20x2
Ab Machine
150x15
155x15
160x15
65 Min Treadmill
18 Hours Fasting
Meal 1) 2 pieces fried chicken, mashed potatoes, mac n cheese, pineapple, 5000mg Omega3, Digestives, Pre-Probiotics, Herbs, NAC
Meal 2) Same as above,
Meal 3) 1 Cup Granola, 1.5 cups Milk, 20 Grams Collagen, Digestives, Herbs, NAC, Aspirin, B6,B12, Zinc, Herbs
9/9/23
Weight Upon Rising 274.8
Weight After Cardio 270.8
2hr 25min Treadmill 2hr 10 Min at maximum incline 15, Speed up to 3.0 at the end HR up to 155 at end. 6 miles
Was back into ketosis after cardio!!!
20 Hours Fasting
Meal 1) Thai Chicken/Prawn with veggies, 5000mg Omega3, Digestives,
Meal 2) 1/2 Order of above, 20 Grams Collagen, Atkins Caramel Chocolate Nut Roll Bar, Atkins, Chocolate Coconut Bar, 5000mg Omega3, Digestives, Pre-Probiotics, Aspirin, B6, B12, Zinc, NAC/various other liver herbs
2000 cal deficit on Chest day and 3000 deficit on Cardio day.
Burned 31,874 cals for the week. My most ever including the weekend of mountain climbing.
Weight Upon Rising 275.0
Weight after workout 272.5
Chest/Tris #2
Hammer Decline
325x13x2
325x16
Hoist Roc-it Chest Press
190x15x2
Tricep Machine Extension 1 Arm
50x15
60x15
60x16
Tricep DB Kickbacks
32.5x15
32.5x13
Machine Lateral Raises
110x20
115x20x2
Ab Machine
150x15
155x15
160x15
65 Min Treadmill
18 Hours Fasting
Meal 1) 2 pieces fried chicken, mashed potatoes, mac n cheese, pineapple, 5000mg Omega3, Digestives, Pre-Probiotics, Herbs, NAC
Meal 2) Same as above,
Meal 3) 1 Cup Granola, 1.5 cups Milk, 20 Grams Collagen, Digestives, Herbs, NAC, Aspirin, B6,B12, Zinc, Herbs
9/9/23
Weight Upon Rising 274.8
Weight After Cardio 270.8
2hr 25min Treadmill 2hr 10 Min at maximum incline 15, Speed up to 3.0 at the end HR up to 155 at end. 6 miles
Was back into ketosis after cardio!!!
20 Hours Fasting
Meal 1) Thai Chicken/Prawn with veggies, 5000mg Omega3, Digestives,
Meal 2) 1/2 Order of above, 20 Grams Collagen, Atkins Caramel Chocolate Nut Roll Bar, Atkins, Chocolate Coconut Bar, 5000mg Omega3, Digestives, Pre-Probiotics, Aspirin, B6, B12, Zinc, NAC/various other liver herbs
2000 cal deficit on Chest day and 3000 deficit on Cardio day.
Burned 31,874 cals for the week. My most ever including the weekend of mountain climbing.
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Finally taking a full day off from gym today. It’s been approx 21 days in a row.
@LittleTimeTrouble I think its a good idea I'll add $50 to this but I know PSL has good hgh I've used eurotropin before with hot ass results.
@RoidRage69 18 and 20 hour fasts perfect, how did you measure you're in ketosis?
@RoidRage69 have to have the days off
Half the days are cardio only so I figured it was a good way to keep blood pumping. But yea I agree it was a lot. Lol.
Use the pee stix. I can also tell my mouth gets dry and metallic taste and I can feel it in my lungs.
The G-Tropin in question has no vacuum in the 5 vials I opened. That is one red flag that got my attention. The eurotropin has a vacuum in the one I just opened yesterday.
@RoidRage69 can you please post a picture and short video of what you mean by no vacuum. I haven't used g-tropin honestly but did use eurotropin and had bloods too.
@RoidRage69 I cant see PDF can you reupload like a screen shot images of this so we can all see please
I’m not going to do it to another one right now. No vacuum means no vacuum inside the vial. As far as my blood test goes I will take a photo of a screen sometime tomorrow when I am near my pc.
F**k that. 2 weeks was enough for me back in the day
bro i don't take days off either..even sunday after church i go
not following the vacuum thing.
take a photo of the vacuum
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@RoidRage69 i see the attachment now but I'm wondering the issue is with your base hgh or the actual hgh.
maybe we crowdfund you to retest this?
maybe we crowdfund you to retest this?
9/11/23
Weight Upon Rising 269.6
Weight after workout 270.0
Legs #2
Cybex Plate Loaded Squat Press
720x15
810x15
810x13
Hoist SLDL 1 Leg
90x12x2
Hoist Roc-it Leg Ext 1 Leg
91x15x2
Lying Leg Curl
100x12x2
15 Min Treadmill
16 Hour Fasting
Meal 1) 2 bites leftover beef, 1 bite leftover chicken, 1.25 cups mashed potatoes, 1/3 cup mac n cheese, 1 sweet roll, handfull raspberries, 1 cup pineapple, 1/2 cup cantalope, 1 small banana, 1 Fairlife Protein Drink, 3000mg Omega3, Probiotics, magnesium, digestives, vits, herbs, NAC, Dandelion Root, Artichoke extract,
Meal 2) 1/2 can Lentils, 1 pouch Tasty Bite Organic Indian Madras Lentils, 20 Grams Collagen, Prebiotics, NAC, Magnesium, digestives, 1/2 cup Pineapple
Meal 3) 1 skinlees/boneless chicken thigh with panko crust, 1/2 bag 90 sec rice, 1/3 cup mashed potatoes, 1/4 cucumber, 1/2 bell pepper, 1/2 cup pineapple, digestives, artichoke extract, dandelion, aspirin, zinc, b6, b12, magnesium
Meal 4) 1 cup Granola, 1 cup milk, 1/2 Fairlife Protein Drink, 1 small bag Oberto jerky, 3000mg Omega3, digestives, magnesium
Weight Upon Rising 269.6
Weight after workout 270.0
Legs #2
Cybex Plate Loaded Squat Press
720x15
810x15
810x13
Hoist SLDL 1 Leg
90x12x2
Hoist Roc-it Leg Ext 1 Leg
91x15x2
Lying Leg Curl
100x12x2
15 Min Treadmill
16 Hour Fasting
Meal 1) 2 bites leftover beef, 1 bite leftover chicken, 1.25 cups mashed potatoes, 1/3 cup mac n cheese, 1 sweet roll, handfull raspberries, 1 cup pineapple, 1/2 cup cantalope, 1 small banana, 1 Fairlife Protein Drink, 3000mg Omega3, Probiotics, magnesium, digestives, vits, herbs, NAC, Dandelion Root, Artichoke extract,
Meal 2) 1/2 can Lentils, 1 pouch Tasty Bite Organic Indian Madras Lentils, 20 Grams Collagen, Prebiotics, NAC, Magnesium, digestives, 1/2 cup Pineapple
Meal 3) 1 skinlees/boneless chicken thigh with panko crust, 1/2 bag 90 sec rice, 1/3 cup mashed potatoes, 1/4 cucumber, 1/2 bell pepper, 1/2 cup pineapple, digestives, artichoke extract, dandelion, aspirin, zinc, b6, b12, magnesium
Meal 4) 1 cup Granola, 1 cup milk, 1/2 Fairlife Protein Drink, 1 small bag Oberto jerky, 3000mg Omega3, digestives, magnesium
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@RoidRage69 4 meals in how long of a feeding window?
Was a longer window of 8 hours. Still going to keep OMAD on non lifting days.
9/12/23
Weight Upon Rising 273.8
Weight after workout 273.7
Back #2
One Arm Cable Rows
100x12
100x15
100x17
Reverse Grip Chest Supported Low Row
160x15
175x15x2 Dropset 85x15
Wide Neutral Grip Pulldowns
160x12
160x15 Dropset 85x12
Seated Shrugs
180x15x3
Rear Delt Machine
150x15x3
1 Arm Preacher Curl Machine
60x15x3
Ab Machine
160x15x3
17 Hour Fasting
5.5 Hour Eating Window
Meal 1) 2 Chicken thighs, 1/2 bag 90 sec rice, few handfulls tortilla chips and salsa, 20 grams Collagen, 1 cup pineapple, 3000mg Omega3, Probiotics, Digestives, Vits, Herbs, NAC, Artichoke extract
Meal 2) 1.5 cups Granola, 1.5 cups milk, Pre-biotics, Digestives, 3000mg Omega3, Milk Thistle
Meal 3) 4 Lamb Chops, 2oz New York Steak, 1 Sweet Potato, 1/2 cup Pineapple, 3000mg Omega3, Digestives, NAC
Weight Upon Rising 273.8
Weight after workout 273.7
Back #2
One Arm Cable Rows
100x12
100x15
100x17
Reverse Grip Chest Supported Low Row
160x15
175x15x2 Dropset 85x15
Wide Neutral Grip Pulldowns
160x12
160x15 Dropset 85x12
Seated Shrugs
180x15x3
Rear Delt Machine
150x15x3
1 Arm Preacher Curl Machine
60x15x3
Ab Machine
160x15x3
17 Hour Fasting
5.5 Hour Eating Window
Meal 1) 2 Chicken thighs, 1/2 bag 90 sec rice, few handfulls tortilla chips and salsa, 20 grams Collagen, 1 cup pineapple, 3000mg Omega3, Probiotics, Digestives, Vits, Herbs, NAC, Artichoke extract
Meal 2) 1.5 cups Granola, 1.5 cups milk, Pre-biotics, Digestives, 3000mg Omega3, Milk Thistle
Meal 3) 4 Lamb Chops, 2oz New York Steak, 1 Sweet Potato, 1/2 cup Pineapple, 3000mg Omega3, Digestives, NAC
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we eat 2 meals a day max in my country anyway
i like 2 meals a day in a 3-5 hour window
bro nice ranch food best
great update bro
This, I'm very intrigued, and I would love to know the driving factors and forces behind this. It's definitely a very interesting and unique protocol.
I believe it was Steve that convinced me. It makes sense cause you can only eat so many calories in one meal. Hard for me to eat more than 1200 cal in one sitting so the fat just melts off each day.
Mr. Olympia fasts 30 days every year.
since humans have existed for 2.5M years we have been eating with a feast or famine style.
we find food, we eat food. no fridges, restaurants, uber eats, etc. if you try to store food without eating it then good chance it gets stolen by another animal or gets ruined by mold or bugs. so it had to be consumed right away. we have a built in mechanism in place to take excess calories and store them as body fat during a famine state.
now we can eat what we want, when we want, how we want,... its why 33% of americans are prediabetic or diabetic and 66% are obese. the body has no reason to get rid of that excess body fat that is stored. this is also why many people spin their wheels with fat loss doing all sorts of diets and follow these protocols. when fasting is right there for them to do!
roidrage was successful losing a ton of fat because of doing this. its our natural way to eat. by keeping insulin under control, it causes glucagon to stay eleveated.. this combo leads to fat loss.. it also causes hgh to be elevated which helps burn fat too and the body is forced to tap into fat stores for energy.
everybody should be doing some sort of fasting. whether you are an avearge joe or a pro bodybuilder. the last 3 years the mr. olympia champions have been practicing fasting. the beauty part of it also is there are a 100 benefits to fasting including autophagy. cancer doctors are fasting patients for this reason. heck there are even people who have fixed their eye sight from fasting. its the most powerful thing and it literally costs nothing to do
This post should be made a sticky right here.
I definitely put this in the saved archives...
Dude, Steve, killer Post..
This is interesting how you mention that we should all be doing some sort of fasting, for myself I have been participating a little bit in this in the past few years.
For a good duration I was skipping breakfast entirely and I wasn't eating until probably 1:00 p.m.. Now this isn't entirely the protocol and methods that you're referring to, but for me and my lifestyle and what I have been used to it's a complete game changer.
From there on out I will have four or five meals that will end around 8:30 ish..
Now it's not actually a true fast because I would consume some sort of stimulant in the morning, black coffee with sweetener (terrible shit), or 1 small sugar-free Red Bull (even worse).. but that right there would fire up the metabolism.
I would do this in intervals, and to be completely transparent and honest, It wasn't always intentional. I would just be out the door and right to work. It actually became very easy for me after a little while, and I don't get hungry like I used to.
So tomorrow I can easily skip a breakfast and I won't be all banged up.. but when I first started a couple years ago it took several weeks for my body to become accustomed..
Now I kind of enjoy it. No bloating, no discomfort, and the waistline and gut is super tight..
9/13/23
Weight Upon Rising 274.9
Weight after workout 273.5
20 Min Stairclimber followed by 65 min Treadmill. Stairclimber kicked my ass. Dripping sweat.
22 Hour Fasting
3 hour feeding window
Meal 1) 12oz Flat Iron Steak, 1/2 sweet potato, 1/2 bell pepper, 1 cup pineapple , 5000mg Omega3, Vits, herbs for liver, probiotic, prebiotic, digestives, Aspirin, B6, B12, Zinc
Meal 2) 1.5 cups Catalina Crunch, 1 Fairlife Protein Drink, 20 grams collagen, 5000mg Omega3, NAC, herbs, digestives
Weight Upon Rising 274.9
Weight after workout 273.5
20 Min Stairclimber followed by 65 min Treadmill. Stairclimber kicked my ass. Dripping sweat.
22 Hour Fasting
3 hour feeding window
Meal 1) 12oz Flat Iron Steak, 1/2 sweet potato, 1/2 bell pepper, 1 cup pineapple , 5000mg Omega3, Vits, herbs for liver, probiotic, prebiotic, digestives, Aspirin, B6, B12, Zinc
Meal 2) 1.5 cups Catalina Crunch, 1 Fairlife Protein Drink, 20 grams collagen, 5000mg Omega3, NAC, herbs, digestives
Doing killer brother
Low carb/keto diets are hard when you are trying to stay away from bad fats. I wish I could eat bacon.
I think this is the main issue. So many keto people are just killing themselves with bacon and convincing themselves they are doing something positive. It’s the reason I am generally opposed to keto. What you are doing is worth the effort.
I guess the good thing about the keto diets it gets people in the door. After awhile they come to their senses they still have to eat healthy food.
Those off days are needed and important.
Rest is a super big Part if this so you avoid Bruning out
@LittleTimeTrouble if you are burning off the fats and doing cardio, you will burn the fat off, fairly simple. I think bacon is fine but 1 piece not a whole pack.
9/14/23
Weight Upon Rising 275.4
Weight after workout 274.9
65min Treadmill at level 12 incline speed 2.6
24 Hour Fasting
Meal of the Day) Steak Sandwich made with Carbonaut bread, avacodo mayo, leftover beef, 1/2 cup pineapple , 20 grams collagen, 1 cup catalina crunch, fairlife protein drink, 8000mg Omega3, Vits, NAC, herbs for liver, probiotic, prebiotic, digestives, Aspirin, B6, B12, Zinc 1.5
Weight Upon Rising 275.4
Weight after workout 274.9
65min Treadmill at level 12 incline speed 2.6
24 Hour Fasting
Meal of the Day) Steak Sandwich made with Carbonaut bread, avacodo mayo, leftover beef, 1/2 cup pineapple , 20 grams collagen, 1 cup catalina crunch, fairlife protein drink, 8000mg Omega3, Vits, NAC, herbs for liver, probiotic, prebiotic, digestives, Aspirin, B6, B12, Zinc 1.5
@RoidRage69 OMAD is back I like your omad days as I can see you getting leaner. what kind of steak did you use?
also I see your weight trended up a bit over 270, can you do an updated pic?
I want to wait until I get this water retention under control before taking another photo. I also just started Eurotropin two days ago and it is strong stuff.
Is it a consensus to take the gh on my lifting days where I am eating carbs and take my cardio days off of gh when I am not eating carbs and doing 1-2 meals at night?
My lifting days I eat first meal at 2pm and eat 3 meals in 6-8 hours. On cardio days I eat 1-2 meals from 5-8:30p.m.
I beleive the pros want me to take gh before my first meal.
Most likely I will have 2 OMAD days per week so that seems like a good time to not take gh.
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glad to see it is working out for you
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