S4, Caradrine and stenabolic good for athletes?

[Molle]

Hello guys! During the last 3-4 months av been ill and not been able to work out as i did before! Im not looking to build a shit ton of muscle as im a footballer in europe and rather have a ”slim” athletic body. Gained probably 13% extra fat so im probably at around 24% body fat which is not ideal, and i also lost a few kgs of muscle.

So what i was thinking to loose some fat and help alittle with the muscle gains was S4 at 25 mg for 8 weeks as im scared of the vision side effect, and if i feel like it bump it up to max 50 mg, also stack with GW and SR9009 at the recommended dosages for about 2-3 months!
Only 22 years old but been very intrested in this the past year!

Any other takes thats very mild and wont totaly fuck me up after the cycle, also how would a pct look for the one above?

And if u have other takes please let me know with the pct to that aswell!

 

[rememberTHE5]

Work on your diet + cardio and lean out before jumping on any cycle.

How old are you?

 

[Molle]

Work on your diet + cardio and lean out before jumping on any cycle.

How old are you?

22, says in the message above!

 

[LevButlerov]

Hello guys! During the last 3-4 months av been ill and not been able to work out as i did before! Im not looking to build a shit ton of muscle as im a footballer in europe and rather have a ”slim” athletic body. Gained probably 13% extra fat so im probably at around 24% body fat which is not ideal, and i also lost a few kgs of muscle.

So what i was thinking to loose some fat and help alittle with the muscle gains was S4 at 25 mg for 8 weeks as im scared of the vision side effect, and if i feel like it bump it up to max 50 mg, also stack with GW and SR9009 at the recommended dosages for about 2-3 months!
Only 22 years old but been very intrested in this the past year!

Any other takes thats very mild and wont totaly fuck me up after the cycle, also how would a pct look for the one above?

And if u have other takes please let me know with the pct to that aswell!

@Molle welcome to the evolutionary.org family.

First, you have been ill for 3-4 months, so its hard to say what you should do or not do now, especially sarms and pct, and sarms can shut you down like s23.

You understand that reading your post raises more questions than answers,right?
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[Molle]

@Molle welcome to the evolutionary.org family.

First, you have been ill for 3-4 months, so its hard to say what you should do or not do now, especially sarms and pct, and sarms can shut you down like s23.

You understand that reading your post raises more questions than answers,right?
What we need from you, if you want an honest sarms cycle layout, is we need you to start a NEW thread with your LOG journal diary of diet and training and supplements so we can guide you into a sarms cycle. If you dont have a log start keeping one on the forums as you go.

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.

If you want us to really guide you, and we have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

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in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
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in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/hsc318-testosterone-trenbolone-cycle-log-part-2.90696/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-pre-cycle-diet-training-log.90712/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/supertiredwantfood-high-protein-log-female.95670/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-log-for-2023.87439/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/littletimetrouble-big-time-trt-log.90656/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ning-strength-staying-lean-third-cycle.96026/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/log-macs-bulk-2023.89802/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/dbol-and-test-cypionate-10-week-log.90745/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pre-cycle-trt-log.90735/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/powerlifting-2023-2024-cycle-log-female.95657/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2023-2024-bulk-log.89292/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/princedaddy-2023-log-here-we-go-again.87659/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-cycle-training-log.86383/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/dozers-journey-to-the-stage-and-cycle.84184/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-time-tren-log.87653/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-anavar-rad140-cardarine-cycle-log.86174/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/contest-peak-cycle-this-year.85007/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/new-cycle.84662/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/summer-bulking-cycle.85543/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/lefr34ks-training-log.85141/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsys-training-log.83248/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/echos-hgh-log-and-cycle.85429/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-cycle-log.85538/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

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Alright, thanks for all the help! But what i mainley need help with is to decide what to take to improve the most on the pitch so loose body fat is a big one for me!

And also the Biggest question of them all! Do i need a pct / a mini PCT after a cycle like the one mentioned in my first post!

Will look in to the logs and all in just abit!

 

[LevButlerov]

Alright, thanks for all the help! But what i mainley need help with is to decide what to take to improve the most on the pitch so loose body fat is a big one for me!

And also the Biggest question of them all! Do i need a pct / a mini PCT after a cycle like the one mentioned in my first post!

Will look in to the logs and all in just abit!

@Molle thats fine but you know you can lose bodyfat and make gains but we still guessing without your log, can you start the LOG asap please?

 

[Mobster]

Cardarine for sure

 

[stevesmi]

If you're scared of the vision just drop the S4 entirely

GW is great for fat loss but we know from the studies and the anecdotal evidence from those of us who have used it the more you exercise and the better you eat on it the more better results you get bigtime.

so don't use it as a crutch but take advantage of it with daily fasted cardio and your diet needs to be on point 100%

 

[Molle]

If you're scared of the vision just drop the S4 entirely

GW is great for fat loss but we know from the studies and the anecdotal evidence from those of us who have used it the more you exercise and the better you eat on it the more better results you get bigtime.

so don't use it as a crutch but take advantage of it with daily fasted cardio and your diet needs to be on point 100%

Not neccessarly scared of it, just dont want it to effect me on the pitch that much, u dont think its worth going with at 25mg/day?

And SR9009 is still a go?

 

[ceo]

bros S4 25mgs is okay
but 50mgs is way better
log it

 

[ROIDDERS]

use something like ostarine instead of s4
the vision issues might affect you if you drive at night

 

[chesty]

i used s4 75mgs and had vision issues after a week
it's not a big deal they go away if you stop

 

[Ulter]

i would go with gw, sr and LGD
i think those 3 are better
can you log it?

 

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[e2]

i like you already
you seem very motivated and bright
we love to see younger guys come on here and get logs going to show us their progression

 

[2Thick]

there is no rule with sarms
you can stop them if you aren't liking the sides if necessary

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

why don't you post up a log for us
and then you can detail the side effects as they come up along the way and we can adjust things for you

 

[MONSTRO]

Monstro likes GW and S23
those my favorite 2 sarms
log that if you want gainz

 

[dylangemelli]

here is an excellent fat loss stack to look at...


for the best quality sarms check out https://umbrellalabs.is

1-12 GW-501516 (CARDARINE) 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 Rad-140 (TESTOLONE) 20 mg day dosed once a day in the a.m.
1-12 Sr9009 (STENABOLIC) 30 mg day... 10 mg doses 4-5 hours apart
1-12 S4 (ANDARINE) 50 mg day... split doses... 25 mg in the a.m. and 25 mg 4-6 hours later
1-12 n2guard

Mini pct 13-16

Clomid 50/25/25/25 OR Nolva 40/20/20/20
Gw-501516 20 mg day

 

[25homes]

GW is killer imo