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Second cycle advice

Newbgains

Newbgains

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Afternoon all,

Listen to the podcast pretty much daily so just wanted ask a few questions to the experts.

Currently on a cut to get down to 10 percent body fat, then want to go on a lean bulk to put some mass on.

I'm currently 160lb, i know i need to eat, my maintenance calories is around 2700 - 2900. Wanting to do the cycle as I've always been lean, find it so hard to gain decent mass, and as Steve says on the podcast, am fed up for being the skinny kid.

I'm 37 with years of training and dieting under my belt, when i started training i was around 112lbs. Want to run it safely so have narrowed it down to this -

Test 250mg
EQ 100mg
Anadrol 25mg 4 weeks (would be dbol but dont like water weight.)

Will have aromasin and nolva on hand for any issues.

How's the cycle look? Will that put mass on me in a calorie surplus, or would i need more for my goals?

Cheers guys appreciate all the work you do
 
Newbgains said:
Afternoon all,

Listen to the podcast pretty much daily so just wanted ask a few questions to the experts.

Currently on a cut to get down to 10 percent body fat, then want to go on a lean bulk to put some mass on.

I'm currently 160lb, i know i need to eat, my maintenance calories is around 2700 - 2900. Wanting to do the cycle as I've always been lean, find it so hard to gain decent mass, and as Steve says on the podcast, am fed up for being the skinny kid.

I'm 37 with years of training and dieting under my belt, when i started training i was around 112lbs. Want to run it safely so have narrowed it down to this -

Test 250mg
EQ 100mg
Anadrol 25mg 4 weeks (would be dbol but dont like water weight.)

Will have aromasin and nolva on hand for any issues.

How's the cycle look? Will that put mass on me in a calorie surplus, or would i need more for my goals?

Cheers guys appreciate all the work you do
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Honestly I would just run 500/wk test.
EQ at 100mg/wk is pretty much useless.
Run the anadrol when lifts stall later in the cycle.
 
Glad to see the podcast has you motivated. There are many options but when you use gear you are shutting yourself down either way. So best thing to do is run the gear at a moderate dose.

So if you want to use eq do it 300mg. Same with test.

If you want an oral I would do a mild one like Tbol or var even though you want to bulk so you don’t have crazy sides
 
Newbgains said:
Afternoon all,

Listen to the podcast pretty much daily so just wanted ask a few questions to the experts.

Currently on a cut to get down to 10 percent body fat, then want to go on a lean bulk to put some mass on.

I'm currently 160lb, i know i need to eat, my maintenance calories is around 2700 - 2900. Wanting to do the cycle as I've always been lean, find it so hard to gain decent mass, and as Steve says on the podcast, am fed up for being the skinny kid.

I'm 37 with years of training and dieting under my belt, when i started training i was around 112lbs. Want to run it safely so have narrowed it down to this -

Test 250mg
EQ 100mg
Anadrol 25mg 4 weeks (would be dbol but dont like water weight.)

Will have aromasin and nolva on hand for any issues.

How's the cycle look? Will that put mass on me in a calorie surplus, or would i need more for my goals?

Cheers guys appreciate all the work you do
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Newbgains said:
Cheers. 12 week, aromasin eod or e3d sound good?
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@Newbgains welcome to the EVO family bro ;) nice i like guys sharing about cycles

You're cutting now as I see but really the bulk should flow into the cut bro
but to do that we would really need to understand your cut better and you right?
example we tell you yea 250mgs test and eq and anadrol do it but maybe not?
here is what you can do for the EVO family SHARE please
how? start a NEW thread with your current cutting cycle log and we will guide you into your bulking log from it, just share training diet stats etc its like 15min of your time but you get full EVO family support

HOW-TO LOG?
  • To really guide you we need more info from you.
  • Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
  • It will take 15-20 minutes max.
  • We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Cutting cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle


here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com
 
Maybe a stupid question....

When on cycle, do you eat more calories than a normal 200/300 increase for a bulk?

I'm aware that aiming for around a lb or so a week/month is common for a lean bulk when not on cycle, but with the steroids adding water weight and mass, how do you calculate your calories?

Or is it the same when on cycle as opposed to off?
 
Newbgains said:
Afternoon all,

Listen to the podcast pretty much daily so just wanted ask a few questions to the experts.

Currently on a cut to get down to 10 percent body fat, then want to go on a lean bulk to put some mass on.

I'm currently 160lb, i know i need to eat, my maintenance calories is around 2700 - 2900. Wanting to do the cycle as I've always been lean, find it so hard to gain decent mass, and as Steve says on the podcast, am fed up for being the skinny kid.

I'm 37 with years of training and dieting under my belt, when i started training i was around 112lbs. Want to run it safely so have narrowed it down to this -

Test 250mg
EQ 100mg
Anadrol 25mg 4 weeks (would be dbol but dont like water weight.)

Will have aromasin and nolva on hand for any issues.

How's the cycle look? Will that put mass on me in a calorie surplus, or would i need more for my goals?

Cheers guys appreciate all the work you do
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How tall are you?
 
Newbgains said:
Cheers guys. Yea podcast basically addicted to haha.

Reading other people's questions on the forum, I'm leaning towards 500mg test and 40mg tbol as a kick-start.

I'm already on trt so shutting down isn't an issue.

Once I've finished the cut will no doubt start a log.

Thanks
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Newbgains said:
5ft 9/ 175cm
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@Newbgains those arent really the best numbers 500mgs test and 40mgs tbol just guessing here right?

did you read my post? about starting a log
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/second-cycle-advice.103445/post-1699403

Npcclassicphysique champ said:
@Newbgains welcome to the EVO family bro ;) nice i like guys sharing about cycles

You're cutting now as I see but really the bulk should flow into the cut bro
but to do that we would really need to understand your cut better and you right?
example we tell you yea 250mgs test and eq and anadrol do it but maybe not?
here is what you can do for the EVO family SHARE please
how? start a NEW thread with your current cutting cycle log and we will guide you into your bulking log from it, just share training diet stats etc its like 15min of your time but you get full EVO family support

HOW-TO LOG?
  • To really guide you we need more info from you.
  • Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
  • It will take 15-20 minutes max.
  • We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Cutting cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle


here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com
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Newbgains said:
Maybe a stupid question....

When on cycle, do you eat more calories than a normal 200/300 increase for a bulk?

I'm aware that aiming for around a lb or so a week/month is common for a lean bulk when not on cycle, but with the steroids adding water weight and mass, how do you calculate your calories?

Or is it the same when on cycle as opposed to off?
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When growing start at maintenance and add 200-300cals. You will start gaining weight. When that stalls add 200-300 more. Don't just pick a number and start eating, that's how you get fat.
 
s.gentz said:
When growing start at maintenance and add 200-300cals. You will start gaining weight. When that stalls add 200-300 more. Don't just pick a number and start eating, that's how you get fat.
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Thanks mate, know how much i need to add weight, when on a cycle, how much weight gain per week shoukd you aim for? Or is it just check in mirror etc
 
Newbgains said:
Thanks mate, know how much i need to add weight, when on a cycle, how much weight gain per week shoukd you aim for? Or is it just check in mirror etc
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Trying to gain X per week is another way to get fat. As long as your weight is trending up and what you see in the mirror looks good then your on the right path. For me, my maint is around 2500cals. If iI push much over 3000 i get fat. My preference is a longer cycle with the lowest amount of food you can bet away with to grow. Of course we are all different and the way we gain muscle/fat will vary but when building or dieting, anything that happens fast is not good. Slow and steady both building and dieting is the way to go.
Get a log going so we can see your current diet/training and help guide you into the right cycle. Post some physique pics as well.
 
, Welcome to The Forum. It's wonderful to have you on here.
 
Make sure you put up your log.

Let's see everything in Black and White this way we can help Shape your cycle.
 
You're going to want to eat more calories on cycle because your body is going to be growing.
 
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