Should I test myself for allergies before using steroids?

[Mobster]

So, before I start the cycle, I will do a blood test. During the cycle, I will be doing a blood test each week to see what's happening. After the cycle, I will start clomiphene, and will be doing a blood test to see if testosterone levels are being resotedbto pre-cycle levels.

Is this the correct approach?

And how long should a PCT continue for after a turinabol-only cycle?

No. One before (for a variety of reasons discussed with you). ONE during and ONE after.

 

[GoldenPlague]

No. One before (for a variety of reasons discussed with you). ONE during and ONE after.

Ok.

 

[s.gentz]

Ok.

All these posts and i don't think you once mentioned what your training and diet look like. You can take all the shit in the world but if these two items aren't good you are spinning your wheels.
Why don't you start a diet/training log while you wait for your tbol. Lets make sure your going to make the most of this.

 

[GoldenPlague]

All these posts and i don't think you once mentioned what your training and diet look like. You can take all the shit in the world but if these two items aren't good you are spinning your wheels.
Why don't you start a diet/training log while you wait for your tbol. Lets make sure your going to make the most of this.

My diet and training regime is totally fine. Currently, I train once every 2 days, with at least 6 sets of 12 or 15 reps.

The amount of protein I take is also sufficient. I definitely see results, but I want to accelerate the progress significantly, which is why I want to go on steroids. I have one more reason to use steroids, but I don't want to say it.

 

[Mobster]

My diet and training regime is totally fine. Currently, I train once every 2 days, with at least 6 sets of 12 or 15 reps.

The amount of protein I take is also sufficient. I definitely see results, but I want to accelerate the progress significantly, which is why I want to go on steroids. I have one more reason to use steroids, but I don't want to say it.

You already did. Jaw shape and beard.

 

[s.gentz]

. I have one more reason to use steroids, but I don't want to say it.

already did. Jaw shape and beard.

You are also very concerned about gyno. Why? Do you have pubescent gyno? How do you know your high conversion prone? Have you ever had any bloodwork done to see where your test and estrogen levels are?
Did you mention in any posts how old you are? This is why you should have one post/log. Info is scattered all over and hard to put together.

My diet and training regime is totally fine

How do you know this if you aren't getting the results you want? What does your training and diet look like for a week?

 

[GoldenPlague]

You are also very concerned about gyno. Why? Do you have pubescent gyno? How do you know your high conversion prone? Have you ever had any bloodwork done to see where your test and estrogen levels are?
Did you mention in any posts how old you are? This is why you should have one post/log. Info is scattered all over and hard to put together.

How do you know this if you aren't getting the results you want? What does your training and diet look like for a week?

I don't want gyno.

I don't know if I'm prone to gyno or high conversion rate.

No, I haven't done any blood tests, but I'm planning to do one.

I'm 23.5 years old.

 

[s.gentz]

I don't want gyno.

I don't know if I'm prone to gyno or high conversion rate.

No, I haven't done any blood tests, but I'm planning to do one.

I'm 23.5 years old.

If you take the proper precautions there is little to worry about.

 

[25homes]

this is too much. you do 1 inj and think you gonna die or something. maybe you should try sarms

 

[GoldenPlague]

If you take the proper precautions there is little to worry about.

You are right, but I don't know what the proper precautions are.

Different people give different answers, which makes me confused. Some people say I need a PCT after a turinabol-only cycle, while others say I don't. Some say I need medicines to regulate the estrogen during a turinabol-only cycle to prevent estrogen to become too low, while others say I don't.

I need someone to give me exact information. I need to know the milligrams of turinabol I need to take a day (I think 40 mg is ok?), if I need additional drugs during the cycle, and the milligrams of PCT (clomid or tamoxifen or both) after the cycle, abs how long I will need to take the PCT.

I know what the side effects may be, how steroids and PCTs work, but I don't know the exact doses I need to take.

I have read articles about the doses, but these are general numbers, and every person is an individual.

I want to know what tests do I need to take to see if I'm prone to gyno.

Gyno and bone mass loss (osteoporosis)bare the only things I worry about. TRT for life and sterility are thing I don't worry about and I'm ready to risk.

 

[GoldenPlague]

this is too much. you do 1 inj and think you gonna die or something. maybe you should try sarms

I won't die if the steroids are legit. I'm still fighting my paranoia that online shops, eve ln these that are considered approved sources, will sell me a fake or even contaminated product.

Once I gather enough evidence to the contrary, the paranoia will be gone.

Also, I'm researching options to directly go from Bulgaria to another country where it's totally legal to just walk in the pharmacy shop and buy steroids. Are there countries where this is legal? Spain and Moldova maybe?

 

[s.gentz]

Different people give different answers, which makes me confused. Some people say I need a PCT after a turinabol-only cycle, while others say I don't. Some say I need medicines to regulate the estrogen during a turinabol-only cycle to prevent estrogen to become too low, while others say I don't.

Turnibol is suppressive so you will need to PCT after. . Keep in mind PCT is only to give you a soft landing after a cycle. You would bounce back on your own in most cases on a short, low dose cycle like this.

I need someone to give me exact information. I need to know the milligrams of turinabol I need to take a day (I think 40 mg is ok?), if I need additional drugs during the cycle, and the milligrams of PCT (clomid or tamoxifen or both) after the cycle, abs how long I will need to take the PCT.

50-80 mg/day is fine for turnibol. You could even go higher if you wanted to 100mg/day. I would keep this under 6 weeks. You will also want to use an organ protection product on any steroid cycle. N2Guard 7 caps/day.
For PCT i would wait 5-7 days until the tbol clears and then you would do Clomid 50mg/day and Nolva 40mg/day for 3-5 weeks. After that wait 3-4 weeks and get bloods. Others may chime in on this as it's a very short cycle so you may be able to get away with less. I don't know a ton about PCT as I am on TRT.

I won't die if the steroids are legit. I'm still fighting my paranoia that online shops, eve ln these that are considered approved sources, will sell me a fake or even contaminated product.

Order Geneza pharma from napsgear. My freinds and i have been using their products for years with 0 issues. They are prob the best lab out there.
Same with Ultima from Domestic supply.

I want to know what tests do I need to take to see if I'm prone to gyno.

Gyno and bone mass loss (osteoporosis)bare the only things I worry about. TRT for life and sterility are thing I don't worry about and I'm ready to risk.

The only way to know is to get baseline numbers and then introduce products one at a time to see how you and your bloods react and to have the products on hand to counteract any issues that come up.


Have you considered using SARMS instead? @dylangemelli can give you a great layout to reach your goals and the PCT to go along with it.
It would be a good intro into PEDs.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Just to be clear on a PCT, it does not magically restart your HPTA after being shut down from using steroids. It is there to have a soft landing so you don't feel like absolute shit. Ultimately your body has to recover on its own.

 

[GoldenPlague]

Turnibol is suppressive so you will need to PCT after. . Keep in mind PCT is only to give you a soft landing after a cycle. You would bounce back on your own in most cases on a short, low dose cycle like this.


50-80 mg/day is fine for turnibol. You could even go higher if you wanted to 100mg/day. I would keep this under 6 weeks. You will also want to use an organ protection product on any steroid cycle. N2Guard 7 caps/day.
For PCT i would wait 5-7 days until the tbol clears and then you would do Clomid 50mg/day and Nolva 40mg/day for 3-5 weeks. After that wait 3-4 weeks and get bloods. Others may chime in on this as it's a very short cycle so you may be able to get away with less. I don't know a ton about PCT as I am on TRT.


Order Geneza pharma from napsgear. My freinds and i have been using their products for years with 0 issues. They are prob the best lab out there.
Same with Ultima from Domestic supply.

The only way to know is to get baseline numbers and then introduce products one at a time to see how you and your bloods react and to have the products on hand to counteract any issues that come up.


Have you considered using SARMS instead? @dylangemelli can give you a great layout to reach your goals and the PCT to go along with it.
It would be a good intro into PEDs.

So, even if I don't use any PCT, the recovery of the natural T production will happen anyway, but at a slower pace and may not be complete? For example, if I need 1 month to recover to pre-cycle levels - 700ng, without a PCT, it will take 5 months and the recovery will be 650 or 600, not 700ng?

I'm planning my first turinabol-only cycle to be 40 mg a day for 4 weeks. The first cycle will be mostly a test to see how the body reacts.

Again, can a lack of PCT cause gynecomastia, if the used steroid is non-aromatizing? Non-aromatizing steroids don't convert to estrogen. Gynecomastia is caused by elevated estrogen levels, not lowered testosterone levels.

If a steroid doesn't cause aromatization, is any type of gynecomastia guaranteed not to happen? If there is no aromatization, inflation of the mammary glands won't happen. But what about fatty gynecomastia, accumulated of fat tissue around the nipples area? Can this happen due to a non-aromatizing steroids cycle?

 

[GoldenPlague]

Just to be clear on a PCT, it does not magically restart your HPTA after being shut down from using steroids. It is there to have a soft landing so you don't feel like absolute shit. Ultimately your body has to recover on its own.

Yes, I understood.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

So, even if I don't use any PCT, the recovery of the natural T production will happen anyway, but at a slower pace and may not be complete? For example, if I need 1 month to recover to pre-cycle levels - 700ng, without a PCT, it will take 5 months and the recovery will be 650 or 600, not 700ng?

I'm planning my first turinabol-only cycle to be 40 mg a day for 4 weeks. The first cycle will be mostly a test to see how the body reacts.

Again, can a lack of PCT cause gynecomastia, if the used steroid is non-aromatizing? Non-aromatizing steroids don't convert to estrogen. Gynecomastia is caused by elevated estrogen levels, not lowered testosterone levels.

If a steroid doesn't cause aromatization, is any type of gynecomastia guaranteed not to happen? If there is no aromatization, inflation of the mammary glands won't happen. But what about fatty gynecomastia, accumulated of fat tissue around the nipples area? Can this happen due to a non-aromatizing steroids cycle?

@GoldenPlague you will recover and if you do right pct you wont get gyno relax

look get started with the tbol cycle but not for 4 weeks thats a waste you'll get no results, 8 weeks minimum

but just start dont drag it out

 

[GoldenPlague]

@GoldenPlague you will recover and if you do right pct you wont get gyno relax

look get started with the tbol cycle but not for 4 weeks thats a waste you'll get no results, 8 weeks minimum

but just start dont drag it out

But why would I get gyno if I don't do a PCT? Using PCT to avoid gyno is done when the cycle consists of aromatizing steroids, right? If a non-aromatizing steroid is used, will instill get gyno if I don't do a PCT and don't use any estrogen inhibitors?

 

[Mobster]

You're feeding your paranoia by asking multiple people and not expecting to get different replies

 

[Mobster]

But why would I get gyno if I don't do a PCT? Using PCT to avoid gyno is done when the cycle consists of aromatizing steroids, right? If a non-aromatizing steroid is used, will instill get gyno if I don't do a PCT and don't use any estrogen inhibitors?

You asked this in another way before and I replied. Here's more:

People talk about how X steroid cannot cause estrogen issues and then someone who questions this and ACTUALLY LOOKS STUFF UP will find several examples of people much like yourself who DID have issues. It's the difference between a study and the science vs the actual real world experience and practice.

You have to remember the specifics of the science behind why some might work this or that way needs to match the way you might run a cycle and your body type must match those who used it in a study (usually students).

I previously explained in detail how someone will respond differently just to a natural test level. An example of that thought in PED use would be our current resident WABBA pro 'needing' between 2.5g-5g a week on a competition cycle. My local gym owner talks about volume (so ml not M,g) and says 24-27ml. Both are relatively lean even when off. But what if they were obese? What if one is young and the other old? What if, as per many replies, they just parrot what they've read vs what they actually do? How many have used TBol? And so on. Hence the different replies.

And, of course, you have had (according to you) gyno when you still haven't used any PEDs which might suggest you're predisposed to do so - ie: high risk for it

Now you yourself have stated what kind of AAS TBol is yet are STILL ASKING.

So why not run a proper PCT and NOT need to feel paranoid about the risk you MIGHT have?

 

[GoldenPlague]

You're feeding your paranoia by asking multiple people and not expecting to get different replies

Let's see if I understood it correctly.

If I do a T-bol only cycle, this will for some reasons suppress my natural T production. Since T-bol is not testosterone and doesn't add any additional testosterone to the body, there will be nothing to convert into estrogen, which means estrogen will be lowered.

Is this correct?

If it's correct, can you explain me how to avoid side effects related to low estrogen? Do I have to start taking clomiphene during the T-bol cycle to keep the body stimulated to produce T, and then continue taking clomiphene for 3 or 4bweeks after the cycle?

Should I start taking clomiphene with T-bol, and continue taking clomiphene 3nirn4 weeks after the last T-bol pill?

Explain me how to do the cycle properly.