Should I test myself for allergies before using steroids?

[Mobster]

Let's see if I understood it correctly.

If I do a T-bol only cycle, this will for some reasons suppress my natural T production. Since T-bol is not testosterone and doesn't add any additional testosterone to the body, there will be nothing to convert into estrogen, which means estrogen will be lowered.

Is this correct?

If it's correct, can you explain me how to avoid side effects related to low estrogen? Do I have to start taking clomiphene during the T-bol cycle to keep the body stimulated to produce T, and then continue taking clomiphene for 3 or 4bweeks after the cycle?

Should I start taking clomiphene with T-bol, and continue taking clomiphene 3nirn4 weeks after the last T-bol pill?

Explain me how to do the cycle properly.

No. There are only so many hours in the day and thus far you've used loads of them and yet here we are.

That's without reams of articles, all the podcasts, multiple logs and threads spelling it out.

TBol IS testosterone. If not what is it? ALL anabolic steroids are. I mean it literally says it is in it's chemical name: Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone

LOTS get confused by this to be fair. We talk about what might be better term 'straight testosterone' (Test Ace, Enanthate, Cyp and Prop) vs what might be termed 'test derivatives' (everything else)

 

[GoldenPlague]

You asked this in another way before and I replied. Here's more:

People talk about how X steroid cannot cause estrogen issues and then someone who questions this and ACTUALLY LOOKS STUFF UP will find several examples of people much like yourself who DID have issues. It's the difference between a study and the science vs the actual real world experience and practice.

You have to remember the specifics of the science behind why some might work this or that way needs to match the way you might run a cycle and your body type must match those who used it in a study (usually students).

I previously explained in detail how someone will respond differently just to a natural test level. An example of that thought in PED use would be our current resident WABBA pro 'needing' between 2.5g-5g a week on a competition cycle. My local gym owner talks about volume (so ml not M,g) and says 24-27ml. Both are relatively lean even when off. But what if they were obese? What if one is young and the other old? What if, as per many replies, they just parrot what they've read vs what they actually do? How many have used TBol? And so on. Hence the different replies.

And, of course, you have had (according to you) gyno when you still haven't used any PEDs which might suggest you're predisposed to do so - ie: high risk for it

Now you yourself have stated what kind of AAS TBol is yet are STILL ASKING.

So why not run a proper PCT and NOT need to feel paranoid about the risk you MIGHT have?

It doesn't look I had gyno. My confusion was due to fat tissue I still have around my nipple area. Closer examination confirmed the fat tissue is due to normal body fat levels, not gynecomastia. As I approach a single-digit body fat level, I see the fat tissue is actually disappearing. In other words, no, I don't have gynecomastia and I don't believe I ever had gynecomastia.

Ok so I will do a proper T-bol cycle because I don't want to risk.

Now, please, tell me step by step what exactly I have to do.

Tell me what how to prepare for the cycle, what exactly to do before, during, and after the cycle, and what drugs I need to take during and after the cycle, and the milligrams, and how long the PCT needs to continue.

Is a T-bol only cycle ok, or do I need to combine it with something?

If T-bol is suppressive to testosterone, meaning there won't be testosterone to convert to estrogen in the body, how do I about issues related to low estrogen?

Stats: I'm 23 years old, fit, not fat. Blood test will be available soon.

 

[GoldenPlague]

No. There are only so many hours in the day and thus far you've used loads of them and yet here we are.

That's without reams of articles, all the podcasts, multiple logs and threads spelling it out.

TBol IS testosterone. If not what is it? ALL anabolic steroids are. I mean it literally says it is in it's chemical name: Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone

LOTS get confused by this to be fair. We talk about what might be better term 'straight testosterone' (Test Ace, Enanthate, Cyp and Prop) vs what might be termed 'test derivatives' (everything else)

Turinabol is a modification of methandienone, meaning it's not pure testosterone; supposedly, it doesn't aromatize into estrogen, which is I want it for my first, experimental cycle during which I want to be free of any gyno risk.

 

[Mobster]

It doesn't look I had gyno. My confusion was due to fat tissue I still have around my nipple area. Closer examination confirmed the fat tissue is due to normal body fat levels, not gynecomastia. As I approach a single-digit body fat level, I see the fat tissue is actually disappearing. In other words, no, I don't have gynecomastia and I don't believe I ever had gynecomastia.

Ok so I will do a proper T-bol cycle because I don't want to risk.

Now, please, tell me step by step what exactly I have to do.

Tell me what how to prepare for the cycle, what exactly to do before, during, and after the cycle, and what drugs I need to take during and after the cycle, and the milligrams, and how long the PCT needs to continue.

Is a T-bol only cycle ok, or do I need to combine it with something?

If T-bol is suppressive to testosterone, meaning there won't be testosterone to convert to estrogen in the body, how do I about issues related to low estrogen?

Stats: I'm 23 years old, fit, not fat. Blood test will be available soon.

No. I told you why above and now the 2nd issue... you're too young. Please tell me why you seemingly ignored the many, many posts where we suggest anyone thinking of using needs to be at least 25+

 

[Mobster]

Turinabol is a modification of methandienone, meaning it's not pure testosterone; supposedly, it doesn't aromatize into estrogen, which is I want it for my first, experimental cycle during which I want to be free of any gyno risk.

And I explained the difference.

 

[s.gentz]

Now, please, tell me step by step what exactly I have to do.

Tell me what how to prepare for the cycle, what exactly to do before, during, and after the cycle, and what drugs I need to take during and after the cycle, and the milligrams, and how long the PCT needs to continue.

I literally told you all of this info in this post yet you continue to ask the same questions over and over.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...gies-before-using-steroids.96442/post-1430255
At this point I can say with confidence that you should not be using any steroids as your maturity level and age seem to match.
Do yourself a favor and hold off on this. You are not ready.

 

[GoldenPlague]

No. I told you why above and now the 2nd issue... you're too young. Please tell me why you seemingly ignored the many, many posts where we suggest anyone thinking of using needs to be at least 25+

Yes, I know this, but I'm ready to risk my HPTA and disrupt it to such an extent, that I will need a TRT for life.

In the context of bodybuilding, I'm chasing a specific goal and I'm ready to pay a huge price. I already know about the side effects and I'm ready to embrace them! However, I'm not ok with aesthetic side effects like gyno.

 

[Mobster]

Yes, I know this, but I'm ready to risk my HPTA and disrupt it to such an extent, that I will need a TRT for life.

In the context of bodybuilding, I'm chasing a specific goal and I'm ready to pay a huge price. I already know about the side effects and I'm ready to embrace them! However, I'm not ok with aesthetic side effects like gyno.

At this point you're asking me to be ok with your risk. That wont work.

And what you said is a lie. For it to even be half true we wouldn't have seen 50% of the questions nor an admission of your age.

I also think S. Gent is correct

 

[GoldenPlague]

I literally told you all of this info in this post yet you continue to ask the same questions over and over.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...gies-before-using-steroids.96442/post-1430255
At this point I can say with confidence that you should not be using any steroids as your maturity level and age seem to match.
Do yourself a favor and hold off on this. You are not ready.

I replied to your post earlier today.

Okay, I understand T-bol is suppressive. T-bol will reduce my testosterone level, but won't add testosterone on it's own. That means I will have nothing to be converted to estrogen, meaning my estrogen will be low or completely absent. How do I avoid side effects related to low estrogen?

I need some explanation on how to do my first turinabol-only cycle without getting serious side effects like gyno. Actually, again, I'm fine with side effects and a permanent HPTA disruption and sterility. What I'm not fine with is gyno. So, avoiding gyno is my main focus.

 

[s.gentz]

Yes, I know this, but I'm ready to risk my HPTA and disrupt it to such an extent, that I will need a TRT for life.

So your willing to risk your development which cannot be fixed but are afraid of gyno which can?? Com'on man.
My statements above stand. Way to immature.

In the context of bodybuilding, I'm chasing a specific goal and I'm ready to pay a huge price. I already know about the side effects and I'm ready to embrace them! However, I'm not ok with aesthetic side effects like gyno.

You claim this but when asked you don't mention these aspirations and won't comment on what your training and diet look like.

 

[s.gentz]

I replied to your post earlier today.

But then you asked the same questions more than once even though they have been answered. You are not ready.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

But why would I get gyno if I don't do a PCT? Using PCT to avoid gyno is done when the cycle consists of aromatizing steroids, right? If a non-aromatizing steroid is used, will instill get gyno if I don't do a PCT and don't use any estrogen inhibitors?

@GoldenPlague you would get a hormonal imbalance and T drop crash that would cause E2 imbalance

 

[GoldenPlague]

At this point you're asking me to be ok with your risk. That wont work.

And what you said is a lie. For it to even be half true we wouldn't have seen 50% of the questions nor an admission of your age.

I also think S. Gent is correct

I need to get myself on steroids, so I can look better than what's possible naturally. I need to do this in order to build a mature or professional career in bodybuilding so I can solve my body dysmorphia issue, my inferiority complex, and earn popularity, fame, and money, and have a lavish lifestyle, with top models, yachts, private jets, and super cars in Dubai.

This goal will be achieved, even if I have to trade off my HPTA health, resulting in TRT for life.

This goal will be achieved, even if I have to face permanent health consequences.

This goal will be achieved, even if I have to literally learn chemistry, build my own small lab, and make steroids by myself.

This goal will be achieved, no matter what happens.

As I already said, I'm chasing a specific goal, and I'm ready to risk. Only death will stop me.

 

[GoldenPlague]

@GoldenPlague you would get a hormonal imbalance and T drop crash that would cause E2 imbalance

Yes. Thanks to your explanations from another thread and post, I learned that about a hour ago.

 

[s.gentz]

I need to get myself on steroids, so I can look better than what's possible naturally. I need to do this in order to build a mature or professional career in bodybuilding so I can solve my body dysmorphia issue, my inferiority complex, and earn popularity, fame, and money, and have a lavish lifestyle, with top models, yachts, private jets, and super cars in Dubai.

This goal will be achieved, even if I have to trade off my HPTA health, resulting in TRT for life.

This goal will be achieved, even if I have to face permanent health consequences.

This goal will be achieved, even if I have to literally learn chemistry, build my own small lab, and make steroids by myself.

This goal will be achieved, no matter what happens.

As I already said, I'm chasing a specific goal, and I'm ready to risk. Only death will stop me.

Dude you need to get some counseling to help resolve these issues. This post is the exactly the reason you should not touch PED's
Your 23yo. You are nowhere near your natural limit. You still haven't even answered a single question about you training and diet. I'd be willing to bet you haven't even trained consistently for more than a year.

 

[Mobster]

I need to get myself on steroids, so I can look better than what's possible naturally. I need to do this in order to build a mature or professional career in bodybuilding so I can solve my body dysmorphia issue, my inferiority complex, and earn popularity, fame, and money, and have a lavish lifestyle, with top models, yachts, private jets, and super cars in Dubai.

This goal will be achieved, even if I have to trade off my HPTA health, resulting in TRT for life.

This goal will be achieved, even if I have to face permanent health consequences.

This goal will be achieved, even if I have to literally learn chemistry, build my own small lab, and make steroids by myself.

This goal will be achieved, no matter what happens.

As I already said, I'm chasing a specific goal, and I'm ready to risk. Only death will stop me.

You might want to seek help.

 

[Mobster]

This whole 'being a pro' as a fix to a persons life is about as common as winning a Million on the lotto. It happens (to the genetic freaks) but it's rare. I've got $50 says you do NOT have those genetics. Heck, based on info you have provided, you don't even have the (currently) the mental fortitude. I'll go so far as to suggest the last few posts border on trolling.

Heck I come under being a pro and I've no pro card. I get paid to do what I do. I represent brands (inc a clothing line) in return for product and so on. Do NOT think winning an event or becoming a pro as a fix for any mental issues. Life doesn't work like that. Changing how you think about stuff is far more of a fix and that starts with YOU

 

[Bailz9]

and holy moly demanding that other people tell you exactly what doses you need to take at all times and for the length and explain every single compound to you says you havent even bothered to do any work yourself.

100% not ready for steroids regardless of your age.

 

[GoldenPlague]

Dude you need to get some counseling to help resolve these issues. This post is the exactly the reason you should not touch PED's
Your 23yo. You are nowhere near your natural limit. You still haven't even answered a single question about you training and diet. I'd be willing to bet you haven't even trained consistently for more than a year.

I already consulted with myself, and i agree with many of the things I say and think.

What do you mean by "near natural limit"? Testosterone levels don't increase with age, they are stable. The testosterone levels I have at 23 will be likely the same as the levels I will have at 25, and are probably the same as the levels at 22 and 21.

I already answered the questions about my training and diet. Here is the answer: at least 6 sets of 12 or 15 reps, and sufficient amounts of protein per day.

 

[GoldenPlague]

You might want to seek help.

Is this really what you came up with?