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first of all, I would like to introduce myself as I am new here: I´m Thorsten from Germany and 28 years old.
Body masses: 1,84 m (6 ft) of height, 90 kg (198 lbs) of weight.
I joined this forum because on German bodybuilding forums I couldn´t find any proper answer/solution to the problems I am facing with now, and all doctors here in Germany refuse a medical treatment when they hear that I am using steroids as a bodybuilder (motto: "It´s your own fault if you feel side effects as you are using roids without a medical necessity") .
I´m engaging bodybuilding for 13 years in total now, 5 1/2 years ago I started taking Test (the first 6 months 250 mg/week, after that 500 mg/week) and 2 1/2 years ago I added Trenbolone (400 mg/week) . I did not make single cycles on the steroids, but took/take it permanently.
After starting with Test, I felt a very strong sex drive and had a big sexual desire several times every day, this also continued after introducing Tren, I used to have sex multiple times a day. Presumably, I just subconciously noticed that with time passing while taking Test and Tren permanently, I developed an erectile dysfunction, but I lost my relation to the reality because of Trenbolone as I felt god-like continuously and didn´t want to miss that feeling. Therefore, as a consequence I started to misuse Viagra pills after adding Tren and there was no risk that I would have problems with my erection, I just solved it by taking (a) Viagra pill(s) .
After 1 1/2 years on Tren the side effects started to kick in and over the time, I got massively growing lack of libido, additionally, it got more and more difficult to sustain a proper erection, in the end, it was hardly possible to get a normal erection. At the beginning, I was afraid of going off the roids as I thought that everything would get worse if I stop it. Furthermore, in my desperation and fear of failure the dose of Viagra I was taking substantially grew, in the end it reached up to 15 pills a day (!) as it was necessary to take more and more of it to enable a functional erection. Ultimately, I ended up at the point where even massive doses of Viagra (and also other PDE-5-inhibitors) stopped their effects at all. Sex was not possible anymore, even if I had a desire (but in the end, this got quite rare) .
In July 2023, I dismissed Tren completely and slowly started to reduce the Test back to 250 mg/week (this is also my current week load) . The first 5 months, nothing changed at all, and Viagra still doesn´t work. Lately, I fortunately noticed a small but steady amelioration referring to my sexual function, now it is possible for me to have "normal" sex again, but it´s still constricted and not comparable with the performance I used to had in my best times. Also, sometimes I still do not feel any sex drive for multiple days.
Besides of that, my long-term relationship is destroyed as my girlfriend left me, and I had to cope with many different state of health issues, e.g. my liver function tests were ruined after two years on Tren, but I managed to fix it to normal values now as I was supervising my blood tests regularely after stopping Tren.
I am absolutely aware of the fact what I did to myself (and my body) and I know that it was potentially life-threatening. I would never do that again and I also strongly dissuade and warn everyone to do something like I did! You will regret it!
I reached the point where my decision is absolutely clear: I want to stop misusing steroids forever!
My current goal is to lead a long, healthy life and be sexually active without any restrictions.
Now, my questions to all the forum experts here:
1.
After reading different articles about it, I developed a plan how to exit Test and try to activate my axis again. The plan consists of:
Dropping out Test completely - After that:
2.500 mg of hCG eod for two weeks
50 mg of Clomifene every day for four weeks
20 mg of Tamoxifen every day for six weeks
Is it recommendable to do it like that or would you have any hints how to do it better?
2.
What can I do to get my libido and sex drive back?
3.
Why does Viagra (and other PDE-5-inhibitors) not work anymore? Is it possible to become "immune" against it as a result of massive misuse? If it is not possible to be immunised against it, what is the reason for the fact that I needed growing doses to see an effect and in the end, even ultra-high doses didn´t affect my anymore?
(I have two good friends who used to go to swinger clubs every week and also misused Viagra in very high doses for a long time. They told me that for them, it does not have any impact if they take low doses, they have to take higher doses, too.)
Big thanks in advance for any help!
first of all, I would like to introduce myself as I am new here: I´m Thorsten from Germany and 28 years old.
Body masses: 1,84 m (6 ft) of height, 90 kg (198 lbs) of weight.
I joined this forum because on German bodybuilding forums I couldn´t find any proper answer/solution to the problems I am facing with now, and all doctors here in Germany refuse a medical treatment when they hear that I am using steroids as a bodybuilder (motto: "It´s your own fault if you feel side effects as you are using roids without a medical necessity") .
I´m engaging bodybuilding for 13 years in total now, 5 1/2 years ago I started taking Test (the first 6 months 250 mg/week, after that 500 mg/week) and 2 1/2 years ago I added Trenbolone (400 mg/week) . I did not make single cycles on the steroids, but took/take it permanently.
After starting with Test, I felt a very strong sex drive and had a big sexual desire several times every day, this also continued after introducing Tren, I used to have sex multiple times a day. Presumably, I just subconciously noticed that with time passing while taking Test and Tren permanently, I developed an erectile dysfunction, but I lost my relation to the reality because of Trenbolone as I felt god-like continuously and didn´t want to miss that feeling. Therefore, as a consequence I started to misuse Viagra pills after adding Tren and there was no risk that I would have problems with my erection, I just solved it by taking (a) Viagra pill(s) .
After 1 1/2 years on Tren the side effects started to kick in and over the time, I got massively growing lack of libido, additionally, it got more and more difficult to sustain a proper erection, in the end, it was hardly possible to get a normal erection. At the beginning, I was afraid of going off the roids as I thought that everything would get worse if I stop it. Furthermore, in my desperation and fear of failure the dose of Viagra I was taking substantially grew, in the end it reached up to 15 pills a day (!) as it was necessary to take more and more of it to enable a functional erection. Ultimately, I ended up at the point where even massive doses of Viagra (and also other PDE-5-inhibitors) stopped their effects at all. Sex was not possible anymore, even if I had a desire (but in the end, this got quite rare) .
In July 2023, I dismissed Tren completely and slowly started to reduce the Test back to 250 mg/week (this is also my current week load) . The first 5 months, nothing changed at all, and Viagra still doesn´t work. Lately, I fortunately noticed a small but steady amelioration referring to my sexual function, now it is possible for me to have "normal" sex again, but it´s still constricted and not comparable with the performance I used to had in my best times. Also, sometimes I still do not feel any sex drive for multiple days.
Besides of that, my long-term relationship is destroyed as my girlfriend left me, and I had to cope with many different state of health issues, e.g. my liver function tests were ruined after two years on Tren, but I managed to fix it to normal values now as I was supervising my blood tests regularely after stopping Tren.
I am absolutely aware of the fact what I did to myself (and my body) and I know that it was potentially life-threatening. I would never do that again and I also strongly dissuade and warn everyone to do something like I did! You will regret it!
I reached the point where my decision is absolutely clear: I want to stop misusing steroids forever!
My current goal is to lead a long, healthy life and be sexually active without any restrictions.
Now, my questions to all the forum experts here:
1.
After reading different articles about it, I developed a plan how to exit Test and try to activate my axis again. The plan consists of:
Dropping out Test completely - After that:
2.500 mg of hCG eod for two weeks
50 mg of Clomifene every day for four weeks
20 mg of Tamoxifen every day for six weeks
Is it recommendable to do it like that or would you have any hints how to do it better?
2.
What can I do to get my libido and sex drive back?
3.
Why does Viagra (and other PDE-5-inhibitors) not work anymore? Is it possible to become "immune" against it as a result of massive misuse? If it is not possible to be immunised against it, what is the reason for the fact that I needed growing doses to see an effect and in the end, even ultra-high doses didn´t affect my anymore?
(I have two good friends who used to go to swinger clubs every week and also misused Viagra in very high doses for a long time. They told me that for them, it does not have any impact if they take low doses, they have to take higher doses, too.)
Big thanks in advance for any help!
