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So You Still Think Tren Won't KIll You?

nelson montana

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What does it take? I realize bringing this up is like talking to the wind, but I’ll say it anyway.

Shawn Rodden is dead. He was 46 years old. Forty-fucking- six.

Now I know to some guys here, I might as well as say he was ninety six. 46 seems so far away. Well, I’m not going to preach to you. I’ll just say what has to be said.

Shawn Rodden had, what I believe, was the most perfect physique to ever walk on the Olympia stage. He had size, shape, density, aesthetics, definition and an ungodly amount of muscle.

But here’s the thing.

Rodden guest posed at a show 6 months after he won the Olympia and he was a fat blob. No, he wasn’t just bulking. And he wasn’t just out of shape. He was a total nothing. He had nothing -- barely the remnant of a guy who used to work out years ago. How can that be? Because the muscle was fake. It was entirely the result of steroids -- mainly Trenbolone.

This is what is so astonishing about these drugs. Shawn was the epitome of the result of what massive amounts of steroids can do . We’ve learned over the years that they can not only enhance the bodybuilding process, we’ve also learned that if you use high enough dosages of the right stuff and you have an affinity to respond to the drugs, then the training is secondary. You can work out like an average person and you’ll grow like a weed. And if you have the natural shape that Shawn had, you’ll get among the top competitors.

What it alsos proves is that even if you’re average, and you take enough Tren, you don’t have to know what you’re doing and you don’t have to train very hard, and you too will look absolutely amazing. Maybe not pro level, but more muscular than 99% of the people walking the streets. And that is incredibly appealing. And that’s what a lot of guys do.

And just like with Shawn, it’s fake. I’m calling everyone on Tren out. You’re a bunch of phonies. It isn’t real muscle. It isn’t even muscle that has been enhanced with PEDS. It’s muscle that is entirely created from PED’s and it’s every bit as temporary.

And, oh yeah...one other thing you get out of that Tren cycle. You shorten your life.

Tren was taken off the market for a reason. It’s poison. Then again, I guess night sweats, coughing, loss of breath, high blood pressure, mood swings and insomnia are perfectly normal and acceptable. I see some of the mods here telling people how to deal with those side effects. How about telling them to stop using that shit!

I know...I know...there will be those who say Shawn had other issues or that they don’t take too much or they use a good PCT or whatever. Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

Now, you don’t have to listen to me. I know I’m not mister popularity on these boards. Saying what people don’t want to hear isn’t a winning formula for making friends. But here’s the rub -- in trying to help people I’ve gotten a lot of criticism over the last 20 years. I’m used to it. It doesn’t bother me for one simple reason. In the end, I’ve been proven right. And I’m right about this.

Of course, if you’re young you’re immortal. And since I’m old I’m obviously out of touch. That’s been established. That’s the mentality. But I’m not here to defend myself. I’m here to speak my mind and hopefully reach one or two guys who still have enough sense left to listen.

So, here it is...

If you use Tren you are a fucking moron.

If you use more than a gram a week, you are a moron.

If you stay on more than 12 weeks at a time, you are a moron.

If you think you’re going to become a pro and get rich, you are a moron.

But that’s just me. I’m just a guy who fell in love with bodybuilding and spent my life becoming stronger and healthier from it and remaining young because of it. And I’ll keep espousing the true bodybuilding lifestyle until I do. I’m not anti-drug. I’m anti drug abuse. And there is too much of it. Not only among the pros, but right here.

And then there are the guys who’ve gone the other route. They take a shit ton of drugs, get big, and think they’re better. So, it’s your choice who you listen to.

I wonder what Shawn would say. I wonder if he thinks it was worth it. Maybe he does. Maybe some people reading this would make that sacrifice just to have that moment of glory.

There’s an old expression -- don’t let the tail wag the dog. Bodybuilding can enhance your life. But you still need a life. If all you have is bodybuilding then the desire for more progress and more attention will lead to taking that shortcut in order to achieve it. Then it IS your life. And that’s pretty fucking pathetic.

Take it for what it’s worth.
 
So far, as far as rumors go, it's being suggested it was a heart attack (Stevesmi has addressed PED use and heart issues). It's also been noted (some weeks back) that he was sitting at around 300lbs recently.
 
So far, as far as rumors go, it's being suggested it was a heart attack (Stevesmi has addressed PED use and heart issues). It's also been noted (some weeks back) that he was sitting at around 300lbs recently.

And yet I see recommendations on using Tren. As for Shawn weighing 300, I'll bet there there are guys on this board who weigh around 250 and think they're hot shit. The human body is not meant to carry that much weight, even if it's muscle. That's a commentary on gaining too much size in general. But Tren adds to it with increased hypertension. Tren use is potential suicide. You can ignore. it. Justify it. Rationalize it. Excuse it. But it is what it is.
 
Its not a tren problem. Its a drug abuse problem in general combined with weighing as much as these guys do. The heart can't support the weight and the abuse. Its a double whammy. The sport of bodybuilding at the higher levels has got way out of hand. The deaths have become commonplace and things need to change. Ive said it before, but this is why I quit watching and supporting pro bodybuilding a long time ago.

Nelson I agree with you a lot on this topic. Maybe not 100% of it, but the the overall message i agree with. Theres a certain level of balance in this lifestyle and understanding that line between use and abuse.

Stay away from the strong shit. Stick to the mild shit, and don't abuse in dosages and durations.

Some of the smarter ones knew when it was time to step away and save their health. Dorian, Branch Warren, Jay Cutler, just to make a few. They may catch shit now for not being as big anymore, but they are alive
 
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Its not a tren problem. Its a drug abuse problem in general combined with weighing as much as these guys do. The heart can't support the weight and the abuse. Its a double whammy. The sport of bodybuilding at the higher levels has got way out of hand. The deaths have become commonplace and things need to change. Ive said it before, but this is why I quit watching and supporting pro bodybuilding a long time ago.

Nelson I agree with you a lot on this topic. Maybe not 100% of it, but the the overall message i agree with. Theres a certain level of balance in this lifestyle and understanding that line between use and abuse.

Stay away from the strong shit. Stick to the mild shit, and don't abuse in dosages and durations.

Some of the smarter ones knew when it was time to step away and save their health. Dorian, Branch Warren, Jay Cutler, just to make a few. They may catch shit now for not being as big anymore, but they are alive

I agree completely. The excess weight is a big factor and Dorian and Jay have managed to get through it unscathed and still look good. But in the last 10 years or so the Tren factor has become huge.

Let's face it, nothing is as transforming as tren. And that's what they're gonna use. Dorian ran a lot of testosterone and dianabol and GH. The guys today ain't doing that. And Shawn is the perfect example of a Tren body. But muscles from Tren is like courage from being drunk. It's a temporary illusion, albeit, a powerful one. That's why so many guys are attracted to it. They don't need to study bodybuilding. They don't need to watch what they eat. They don't need to take supplements and hey don't need to train hard. Just lots and lots of Tren and they'll get big and cut. For now. And NOW is all that matters.

They're the phony's. The fakers. The posers. Full of piss and vinegar when they're on and they take selfies and once they're off, they "cruise" on something else and hide. Meanwhile, they cooked their insides. For what? Fake muscles for a month. That's not bodybuilding. It's the opposite of bodybuilding. And that's why I don't expect too many responses to this thread. No body likes to get called out. And nobody wants to think about their own demise.
 
I agree completely. The excess weight is a big factor and Dorian and Jay have managed to get through it unscathed and still look good. But in the last 10 years or so the Tren factor has become huge.

Let's face it, nothing is as transforming as tren. And that's what they're gonna use. Dorian ran a lot of testosterone and dianabol and GH. The guys today ain't doing that. And Shawn is the perfect example of a Tren body. But muscles from Tren is like courage from being drunk. It's a temporary illusion, albeit, a powerful one. That's why so many guys are attracted to it. They don't need to study bodybuilding. They don't need to watch what they eat. They don't need to take supplements and hey don't need to train hard. Just lots and lots of Tren and they'll get big and cut. For now. And NOW is all that matters.

They're the phony's. The fakers. The posers. Full of piss and vinegar when they're on and they take selfies and once they're off, they "cruise" on something else and hide. Meanwhile, they cooked their insides. For what? Fake muscles for a month. That's not bodybuilding. It's the opposite of bodybuilding. And that's why I don't expect too many responses to this thread. No body likes to get called out. And nobody wants to think about their own demise.
I do agree with you about Tren. Let's call it what is. Its poison for the body. Its also true that you can use tren and it will transform you without really having to diet that hard. The time has come for self accountability and to accept the real dangers that are out there in this lifestyle. If you dont youll pay for it. Eventually it catches up with you. Nobody is exempt
 
Key word, ignored, was 'abusing'.

Key word ignored is "health." Water isn't inherently unhealthy. Tren is. So the whole argument is a false equivalency. It's like saying heroin isn't so bad as long as it isn't abused.
 
Its one of those compounds I personally will never use.

Im naturally a bigger guy so mass isnt something I need. Just the side effects alone give me zero desire to use it. Cant breathe? Out of Breath? Night Sweats? No Appetite and feeling sick? I mean sounds more like chemotherapy than a steroid LOL.

In the end people want their body to look a certain way and will do anything to get there. I dont fault people for using Tren I just dont have a heck of a lot of sympathy when things go wrong and they were abusing it. Also so many people fail to do bloodwork. If you dont run bloodwork same thing that's totally your choice but if there is an issue brewing and you dont care to take the time and check to see whats going on in your body then again good luck to you. I also dont get the "push through" and finish a cycle when sides are getting bad. Like WTF? Again maybe i dont have the same body image problems that others have where they need to be a certain size or bigger than everyone else in the room but man some of the stuff I see is scary.....
 
Its one of those compounds I personally will never use.

Im naturally a bigger guy so mass isnt something I need. Just the side effects alone give me zero desire to use it. Cant breathe? Out of Breath? Night Sweats? No Appetite and feeling sick? I mean sounds more like chemotherapy than a steroid LOL.

In the end people want their body to look a certain way and will do anything to get there. I dont fault people for using Tren I just dont have a heck of a lot of sympathy when things go wrong and they were abusing it. Also so many people fail to do bloodwork. If you dont run bloodwork same thing that's totally your choice but if there is an issue brewing and you dont care to take the time and check to see whats going on in your body then again good luck to you. I also dont get the "push through" and finish a cycle when sides are getting bad. Like WTF? Again maybe i dont have the same body image problems that others have where they need to be a certain size or bigger than everyone else in the room but man some of the stuff I see is scary.....

Yep. Latest info on Shawn Rhoden is he had an ulcer for many years and this last (and fatal) heart attack was one of 3 he'd had. That sounds like f**ked up and ignoring issues right there. Kali Muscle was in ER overnight with his heart attack (this Sunday). By his own admission he'd had edema problems for years too.
 
Yep. Latest info on Shawn Rhoden is he had an ulcer for many years and this last (and fatal) heart attack was one of 3 he'd had. That sounds like f**ked up and ignoring issues right there. Kali Muscle was in ER overnight with his heart attack (this Sunday). By his own admission he'd had edema problems for years too.

Can't imagine how any of that happened.
 
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