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Steroid abuse did not used to be this bad

ReturnOfTheMeathead

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Arnold Schwarzenegger claims he only took like 10-20 mgs dbol daily and 100 mgs primo weekly heading into a comp. tom platz claims he did winstrol 20 mgs daily and 100 mgs deca per week. If this is true, and we really have no way to know it is but take their word for it, why the hell has it reached this level of abuse among everyone coming up? Its staggering to me. And those 2 guys hardly anybody will look like they did no matter what they take.
 
Not true. Almost all of them lie about their usage. They do this because they don't want kids to abuse them the way they did.
 
nah arnold did more than that man. i've read he used almost a gram of primo and handfuls of dbol at a time. he also likely used plenty of deca especially in the offseason along with proviron.

i actually interviewed frank zane on my podcast and my co host at the time had the balls enough to ask him twice how much gear he was on, frank was extremely irritated by the question and defensive. i did study enough psychology to know getting defensive like that is a red flag that you are lying. but whatever. he probably used what arnold used

in the 70's if you wanted gear you went to a doctor and got gear in small to moderate amounts. you also kept your business to yourself because you didn't want to tip off your competition and there was zero incentive to be open about that sort of thing.
You got what was available .. pretty much the only steroids you could access were primo, deca, proviron, and dbol. that is it. in the 80's more steroids become available like dbol and parabolan and things like hgh were being used by ones in the know. it's not like you had a boatload of options to choose from because there weren't underground labs and there wasn't an internet where you could just order any type of steroid you want and as much as you wanted with a click of the mouse and pay with a cryptocurrency

so yeah things today are much easier when it comes to availability of steroids and underground labs are coming up with any type of steroid you want and any type of blend that you want. and let's be honest, they aren't that expensive.

so i'm pretty sure in that era if guys had the same ease of access of steroids as we do today they would have used more and more, whatever it took to be on the cover of Magazines or win competitions and get sponsorships. Also bodybuilding wasn't lucrative in those days so there was no motivation to go that extra mile like there is today. Some of these guys are making easily a million dollars a year today, in those days they made shit. hence why Arnold and others went to hollywood to make the real $$$$

also another thing to think about is we've gone full circle with steroid use. meaning I believe the peak of steroid use has passed us and guys are using less than they did five years ago. The reason is guys like Boston Lloyd and Dallas McCarver and Rich Piana who were abusing the crap out of steroids ended up either being extremely sick, dead, or they realized it's not amount the amount of gear you're using but it's about genetics and other factors as well. they realized that less is more so although there are using way more than the guys in the 70s used they're using less than guys use five or even 10 years ago. in any event yes mr olympia level guys are using a shit load of everything and its chemical warfare, but how else do you end up 280 pounds with 5% body fat? Samir Bannout won the Mr. Olympia at 195 pounds, today he would be laughed off stage and look tiny next to guys like Hadi, Big Ramy, or Lunsford so lets be honest about the reality lol
 
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Arnold Schwarzenegger claims he only took like 10-20 mgs dbol daily and 100 mgs primo weekly heading into a comp. tom platz claims he did winstrol 20 mgs daily and 100 mgs deca per week. If this is true, and we really have no way to know it is but take their word for it, why the hell has it reached this level of abuse among everyone coming up? Its staggering to me. And those 2 guys hardly anybody will look like they did no matter what they take.
@ReturnOfTheMeathead it's all lies from Arnold and Many bodybuilders from IFBB back in the day, now its a NEW trend , dont lie about steroid use like they did in the past, not you lie about the doses you took lol

I personally heard arnold too "handfuls" of dbol, those white naps I think he was doing around
50mgs dbol/day
200mgs primobolan/day
with other gear but he used primo as an anti estrogen so to speak
the man was doing a few grams of steroids

of course thats on top of work ethic and genetics and eating

and abuse? I dont think guys abusing now, they just have WAY lower testosterone levels, average base Test is 300 now but was 800 before
 
By way of an example: I took 2 screenshots this week from Monstro's Insta on my phone.

One is his own 2022 protocol which has him cruising on 2.6g total (2600mg) and blasting on 7g (7000mg total). I can post if need be. It was a part of a post where he went from 102kg-112kg So added 10kg or 22lbs that year which at his level (looking pretty impressive at 102kg) is crazy.

The other is as suggestion of what pros do which he has copied to illustrate a point which amounts to 10g a week.

Here's the issues. If we agree Monstro 'needs' more to compete as his competition will also be using a lot does it need to amount of a 7000mg total blast? We KNOW he has great genetics cos he looked amazing even when younger (he still had hair lol - something he himself makes fun of) and when he used a lot less.

But does anyone, including himself NEED to do so? I say no. It's like upgrading your car cos you can. The old one still works just fine. Gets you where you need to go and does 50mph more than the speed limit (so 120mph here). But your buddy gets a faster more expensive car. Bigger payments but does double the speed limit (140mph). Worse insurance and if, by chance, you put your foot down a LOT more risky to drive cos you've never done 140mph until now.

That's how it is with anabolics. Monstro was already advanced and so to become more so, to a even freakier level he felt he MUST go to 7g a week. And he, like a LOT who lack his genes and do not compete, see the 10g a week post of what a pro MIGHT (cos who the f&&k actually knows what's the truth when we can say literally anything online and have others believe it) and use that 10g as a way of saying 'well at least I'm not THAT crazy' lol

One more. It literally doesn't matter what X, Y or Z takes now or took back in the day. Even if Arnold used 4x the highest number that's ever been suggested for him in the 70's or 4x less he was MrO. Peter G MIGHT have taken his claimed 10g a week - never won the O. I could take (not that I ever would) what Monstro takes and I will NEVER be Monstro (or whoever) and I will NEVER win the same WABBA pro card as he has. You need to figure out for yourself what works for YOU. I'm not Arnold, Monstro isn't Phil Heath and neither are you.

Start with what works for 90% of users. F**k what some crazy mofo does (it's just fun to debate). And NEVER get hung up on the very idea that 'if I took what you take I'd look like you'. NO YOU WONT. I've more chance of upping the amount of cucumber I eat and growing a 12-inch green cock
 
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