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Steroid Laws in Canada vs. U.S

i looked this up and believe it or not some counties in the US are known as 'dry counties'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_county this means there are no liquor sales.. states like kentucky, arkansas which have a lot of dry counties I bet you anything also have high alcoholic rates and DUI rates.

I did not know that. But as soon as you make something taboo it seems as though people are more inclined to be interested in it.

I'm not sure about the legal age limit in the States (is it 21 depending on where you live)? but in Canada the legal drinking age is 19 (except in Quebec where it is 18). I would suspect that most Americans are not waiting until 21 to have a drink. If you can drive a car, go off to war, vote, be put on death row, it seems to me that you should be allowed to drink responsibly.


Old Pug
 
Been reading non-stop here and elsewhere (and learning plenty) but came across this:


In Ontario (Canada), it is illegal to sell anabolic steroids, and it is illegal to buy them, but it is legal to possess them (whereas in the U.S all 3 are illegal).

WTF?

Old Pug (OP)

In Ontario (Canada), it is illegal to sell anabolic steroids, and it is illegal to buy them, but it is legal to possess them (whereas in the U.S all 3 are illegal).

^^^^ ThAt is correct

UNLESS - you are caught with a huge amount because then they can prosecute you with intent to sell
 
In Ontario (Canada), it is illegal to sell anabolic steroids, and it is illegal to buy them, but it is legal to possess them (whereas in the U.S all 3 are illegal).

^^^^ ThAt is correct

UNLESS - you are caught with a huge amount because then they can prosecute you with intent to sell


Good point. I guess at most people might do 2 AAS cycles/year (more preferably one) so that would avoid that issue.
 
It's not that it's hard to believe- we have many similarities and many differences (hell there are differences between attitudes and laws within each State, and in Canada each province).

What was surprising to me is here, in Canada, how it can be illegal to buy or sell AAS but it is legal to possess them. How the hell can you possess something unless you buy them?

Old Pug (OP)

There are a ton of countries where it is legal to possess but not buy. From prostitution to marijuana and shrooms usually.
 
It's not that it's hard to believe- we have many similarities and many differences (hell there are differences between attitudes and laws within each State, and in Canada each province).

What was surprising to me is here, in Canada, how it can be illegal to buy or sell AAS but it is legal to possess them. How the hell can you possess something unless you buy them?

Old Pug (OP)

It has to do with fact that, in more compassionate societies, such as Canadian society, drug users are correctly viewed as being victims rather than criminals. Unlike American society, these soceties understand that treating drug users is all but infinitely more effective that prosecuting and incarcerting them. This is the reason why tremendously successful harm reduction programs the likes of Dr. Gabor Mate's "Portland Hotel" take place within countries like Canada rather than in the U.S. and other puritanical/authoritarian societies.
So, too, is it the mindset that enabled Portuguese society to completely decriminalize the possession and use of all drugs in 2001, which has served to reduce that society's court costs by some fifty-percent. It has also led to a drastic reduction in the rate of new HIV infections since 2001.
No, AAS are by no means the same as such drugs as heroin and crystal methamphetamines. It is simply that enlightened societies have logically extended their policies relative to personal possession to include AAS.

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And there goes our sub_squoch, rolling his eyes, shaking his head and trying to keep his mouth shut! :)
 
It has to do with fact that, in more compassionate societies, such as Canadian society, drug users are correctly viewed as being victims rather than criminals. Unlike American society, these soceties understand that treating drug users is all but infinitely more effective that prosecuting and incarcerting them.

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we can thank nixon. there was a bill on his desk to sign to legalize pot and he refused to do it because he wanted blacks and hippies in jail to insure his re-election. the dude was a career politician sleazeball who only was out for himself
 
we can thank nixon. there was a bill on his desk to sign to legalize pot and he refused to do it because he wanted blacks and hippies in jail to insure his re-election. the dude was a career politician sleazeball who only was out for himself

Yes, Tricky certainly was a part of the problem.


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I wrote: "...all but infinitely more effective that prosecuting and incarcerting them."

"...that prosecuting and incarcerating them"? Really?

Duh, my name is "Eddie."
 
Correct but it is still subjective. It all depends on the person that day and what they consider "personal use". It is feasible that having 3 vials is more than personal use. It all depends on their thinking if you end up in that situation. Personal use might be considered a months worth of a TRT dose.
 
So two gurus I've known (met and drank with one) have had the pleasure of defending those charged with possession with intent. As I explained previously possession per se is legal here. But there have been cases where the police have nabbed guys with a LOT of steroids. But, as I also have mentioned, there's NOTHING in our statute books regarding amounts.

The defense, including these gurus giving evidence, argued that unless the person arrested could be proven to have intent to and or actually found to have distributed gear then it didn't matter how much said person could have in their possession. Part of the evidence was the crazy cycles said gurus had heard of being used.
 
So two gurus I've known (met and drank with one) have had the pleasure of defending those charged with possession with intent. As I explained previously possession per se is legal here. But there have been cases where the police have nabbed guys with a LOT of steroids. But, as I also have mentioned, there's NOTHING in our statute books regarding amounts.

The defense, including these gurus giving evidence, argued that unless the person arrested could be proven to have intent to and or actually found to have distributed gear then it didn't matter how much said person could have in their possession. Part of the evidence was the crazy cycles said gurus had heard of being used.

The court allowed two juice gurus to testify on behalf of a defendant accused of possessing a large quantity of ASS? That's interesting, Mobster. I'm wondering as to whether or not that type of thing has ever happened here in the U.S. I doubt it.
 
The court allowed two juice gurus to testify on behalf of a defendant accused of possessing a large quantity of ASS? That's interesting, Mobster. I'm wondering as to whether or not that type of thing has ever happened here in the U.S. I doubt it.

I like it. It is worth a try. I mean if you are going for a 16 week cycle with several compounds, that is a lot of money and gear. The perception with most people is you buy a vial of steroids and all of a sudden you are Lou Ferrigno. Most people have no clue the dedication, time, energy, discipline, and money involved.
 
The court allowed two juice gurus to testify on behalf of a defendant accused of possessing a large quantity of ASS? That's interesting, Mobster. I'm wondering as to whether or not that type of thing has ever happened here in the U.S. I doubt it.

You've got Rick Collins of steroidlaw
 
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