Steroids, God, and Politics...

[at(almost)ANYcost]

If that title doesn't attract your attention, check your pulse!

That being said, I consider myself a highly educated laureate on all things above (not really, haha) - so, discuss away.

Some starting thoughts:

- Steroids, why are they just... so... great, and what are some of your best and worse memories of them?

- God, why doesn't he make it easier to procure legitimate anabolic drugs, and do you see a conflict of interest between maintaining a strong religion and increasing your natural dominant hormone God created you from birth with?

- Politics, do you believe that if politicians weren't 114 years old with a body mass index that makes Jabba the Hut look like Andreas Munzer (and Pharma lobbysits weren't so powerful with an unlimited budget) would steroids be available to adult men looking to improve the value of their lives?

Go on... anything goes!

 

[neilium22]

My worst memory with steroids was when i took finaplix pellets by mouth and got anxiety after that hasn't gone away sense..oh well lol..my best memory was my first cycle with test.

I personally don't see a problem with maintaining strong religious or spiritual values while simultaneously increasing your dominant male hormone. I've recently learned about transcendentalist views and they believe that every individual should strive to ascend spiritually and intellectually..they also believe strongly in being close to nature. I take my own spin on this and my view is that we should all strive to ascend spiritually, intellectually as well as physically....humans were created in God's image. God is perfect so why shouldn't we strive for perfection in everything that we do?

I think steroids are illegal for no reason other than that they are, like many other things..highly misunderstood, feared, and misused. I have personally seen more damage done to myself and many others through alcohol than any other substance there is. I remember giving someone **** for smoking weed all the time and they argued that it was the same as me taking steroids and that thats just theyre drug of choice... i went on to explain that none of the responsible and hard working ppl who take steroids inject steroids, lay on the couch, listen to music, laugh at themselves and then eat snacks all night and pass out. People use steroids to take themselves beyond a point that they have already reached through years of hard work, dedication, sacrifice and an inner almost psychotic drive to reach a goal that is set in stone in their mind. The truth of the matter is and it is a sad truth, is that most people are basic, plain, average people...or what i like to call fillers.. they have no "spark" to them, they dont have the inner desire or passion that we here have to achieve something, nor do they posses the intellect to understand just how things work and how intricate they can be... like i said in a previous post i wrote...most ppl...not all...simply follow the rest of the herd off the cliff....i could go on for hours but i my wrists hurt..sorry if i rambled

 

[Melaina]

Let's just make sure we follow the rules, K?

 

[Hazcat]

Board rule number 11.

11. No religious threads, political threads, controversial threads that are sensitive by nature that have the possibility of being posted to offend others or the consideration of being posted to offend others at the discretion of the board staff.

 

[Hazcat]

My worst memory with steroids was when i took finaplix pellets by mouth and got anxiety after that hasn't gone away sense..

So you deal with anxiety on a daily basis from finaplix and always will?

 

[Zero V]

Board rule number 11.

11. No religious threads, political threads, controversial threads that are sensitive by nature that have the possibility of being posted to offend others or the consideration of being posted to offend others at the discretion of the board staff.

SO your saying this thread is made of Epic Win?unk:

 

[neilium22]

oops...my bad....and no i believe my anxiety was a combination of a lot of other factors but the finaplix def helped kick start it, i manage it every day yes but its my life now and i work with it

 

[Zero V]

oops...my bad....and no i believe my anxiety was a combination of a lot of other factors but the finaplix def helped kick start it, i manage it every day yes but its my life now and i work with it

Do you have low test by any chance?

 

[Firetruck]

My best experiences with aas,being in my 40's one of the best things was getting high libido back,like being 18 again(wife liked it too) the worst was third cycle(thinking I could take as much as I wanted)and getting gyno,hard lesson learned there. Trained natty for 5 years got lean,didn't really build up much,after a few cycles,the lean me was up 30lb.

Don't really think about religion

As for governments and the stigma attached to aas,people who will make illegal something with so many positive health and feelgood factors,while at the same time allowing alcohol to be legal is beyond me. 90% of violent assaults in Ireland r fueled by drink. I spent my 20's drinking and I know the damage it can cause. But it's socially acceptable to drink but not to use aas. ?

 

[Melaina]

EPIC WIN...


LMAO

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

My worst memory with steroids was when i took finaplix pellets by mouth and got anxiety after that hasn't gone away sense..oh well lol..my best memory was my first cycle with test.

I personally don't see a problem with maintaining strong religious or spiritual values while simultaneously increasing your dominant male hormone.....humans were created in God's image. God is perfect so why shouldn't we strive for perfection in everything that we do?

I think steroids are illegal for no reason other than that they are, like many other things..highly misunderstood, feared, and misused.

Worst memory = Tren, best memory = Test, haha! I can assure you, aside from some night sweats and blood pressure increase, if you convert those lovely pellets into Tren Acetate injection, you'll be singing it's praises!

As far as religion and steroid use coinciding in harmony, I agree. For some reason, there has been this wall of illogical moral connection associated with steroid use, grouping them in with illicit psychoactive drugs that lead users to cause harm to themselves and others. I don't know when it began, but the masses still believe and perpetuate the notion to this day that steroids are dangerous, and the people who use them are all massive and/or unintelligent.

Good point about why steroids are illegal, as far as being misunderstood. I would take it a step more, and say politicians of course and surprisingly even doctors REFUSE to learn more or proper information regarding these awesome and powerful tools.

Board rule number 11.

11. No religious threads, political threads, controversial threads that are sensitive by nature that have the possibility of being posted to offend others or the consideration of being posted to offend others at the discretion of the board staff.

I totally agree with this, and have my own religious views as many do of course, but I created this thread treading very, very lightly, and posing the question(s) as more of a fun sort of surface level question. I would never even be interested in asking more detailed or controversial queries, because they never end well!

I should have, however, included women in this thread to get more views and posts, haha!

SO your saying this thread is made of Epic Win?unk:

My best experiences with aas,being in my 40's one of the best things was getting high libido back,like being 18 again(wife liked it too) the worst was third cycle(thinking I could take as much as I wanted)and getting gyno,hard lesson learned there. Trained natty for 5 years got lean,didn't really build up much,after a few cycles,the lean me was up 30lb.

Don't really think about religion

As for governments and the stigma attached to aas,people who will make illegal something with so many positive health and feelgood factors,while at the same time allowing alcohol to be legal is beyond me. 90% of violent assaults in Ireland r fueled by drink. I spent my 20's drinking and I know the damage it can cause. But it's socially acceptable to drink but not to use aas. ?

It goes so far beyond that... as far as what is socially accepted or not. Quite literally, it seems as though everything from (how do I say this properly) abortion, to high amounts of nicotine consumption, to chewing materials that have been repeatedly proven to cause cancers, BUT not allowing adult males under their doctor's direction, administer slightly more of their own hormones.

What is the highest dosage anyone here has ever experimented with of any hormone or steroid?

2g Test? 1g Tren Acetate? 100mg Dbol? Just curious...

EPIC WIN...


LMAO

Hopefully!

OH, a last thought for now... I am always truly confused why some people cry wolf time and time again as far as steroids being 'cheating,' doesn't add up in my mind at all. I'm not saying that because I'm biased, I really don't understand how ANYONE could construct that argument in all seriousness and actually try to substantiate it. It can't be because it creates an unfair advantage, because everything from new shoes, bikes, swim suits, weight belts, racing tires and on and on create an advantage over the other person (not to mention the endless laundry list of numerous tricks of the trade such as altitude training, and even over the counter supplements that haven't been banned yet by the know-it-alls at the collegiate and professional levels).

If creating an ideal hormonal environement in the body is 'cheating,' I guess getting proper sleep, supplementing with amino acids, creatine, and mineral like zinc and magnesium, and on and on... are all cheating. What it all comes down to, is people should be able to make their own decisions without feeling the need to tear the other side down. I could just as easily say, "Oh, so you're only using SARMS, or Fadogia, or research peptides, or even something as simply as beta alanine, so you're all natural?" No, you're not. So, don't rain on our parade for taking advantage of documented irrefutable science using androgens in safe and educated ways to better our lives as well as physiques.

 

[Firetruck]

I remember when I told my brother(who doesn't train at all in any way)that I was using aas(we are fairly close)his instant reaction was"your cheating" to which I replied"cheating who god?" i wasn't taking part in any sporting competition,just helping my bad genetics. If people have an opinion rammed down their throats enough by the establishment they'll swallow it regardless of the facts

 

[obsessedwliftin]

People who would consider aas cheating have no idea how hard you have to work out, how dialed in your diet has to be, and quite frankly any clue as to the all out effort you better put in the gym when "on cycle". My best memory on was test e, tren ace, and masteron. Made me feel like a greek god! Gains were everytime I went to the gym! Pr's every week. Man I almost miss it. Worst memory would be not finding EF and guys like need to when I did my first test only cycle and developed gyno, and lost my nads for a bit. Thanks to nolva and arimidex all that got fixed. I knew nothing about PCT back then and was a idiot loose cannon. Now, God is everything to me but I wont get into all that. And Politics? Well our country seems to stay in a downward spiral no matter who we elect so I will reserve comment on that one to! Great thread btw!

 

[Melaina]

I think there are ways of it being cheating.. for instance I've seen some huge dudes that can't lift crap. They use hgh and high test cycles, retain a lot of fluid and walk around like they're power lifters but struggle with 250lbs. So yeah if you abuse to just get big without necessarily getting strong then it's kind of a cop out

 

[Gamer2Be08]

As long as your doing it in a safe manner, cycling properly with supports to keep yourself healthy, I do not believe God would mind man using steroids to enhance their physique or strength, as long as it isn't being used for self worship or to physically harm people. Steroids are real easy to get too lol, legit ones..

If that title doesn't attract your attention, check your pulse!

That being said, I consider myself a highly educated laureate on all things above (not really, haha) - so, discuss away.

Some starting thoughts:

- Steroids, why are they just... so... great, and what are some of your best and worse memories of them?

- God, why doesn't he make it easier to procure legitimate anabolic drugs, and do you see a conflict of interest between maintaining a strong religion and increasing your natural dominant hormone God created you from birth with?

- Politics, do you believe that if politicians weren't 114 years old with a body mass index that makes Jabba the Hut look like Andreas Munzer (and Pharma lobbysits weren't so powerful with an unlimited budget) would steroids be available to adult men looking to improve the value of their lives?

Go on... anything goes!

 

[Gamer2Be08]

I think there are ways of it being cheating.. for instance I've seen some huge dudes that can't lift crap. They use hgh and high test cycles, retain a lot of fluid and walk around like they're power lifters but struggle with 250lbs. So yeah if you abuse to just get big without necessarily getting strong then it's kind of a cop out

Some dont care about strength though, some are more for just show/looks.

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

I remember when I told my brother(who doesn't train at all in any way)that I was using aas(we are fairly close)his instant reaction was"your cheating" to which I replied"cheating who god?" i wasn't taking part in any sporting competition,just helping my bad genetics. If people have an opinion rammed down their throats enough by the establishment they'll swallow it regardless of the facts

In the minds, and I should mention the unlearned minds, of so many unaware sheeple, the word 'steroid' instantly conjures up unfounded yet poignant and reverent self righteous cliches and huffy-puffy indignation - yet, they can't articulate WHY, or even explain WHAT a steroid is. Enough said.

People who would consider aas cheating have no idea how hard you have to work out, how dialed in your diet has to be, and quite frankly any clue as to the all out effort you better put in the gym when "on cycle". My best memory on was test e, tren ace, and masteron. Made me feel like a greek god! Gains were everytime I went to the gym! Pr's every week. Man I almost miss it. Worst memory would be not finding EF and guys like need to when I did my first test only cycle and developed gyno, and lost my nads for a bit. Thanks to nolva and arimidex all that got fixed. I knew nothing about PCT back then and was a idiot loose cannon. Now, God is everything to me but I wont get into all that. And Politics? Well our country seems to stay in a downward spiral no matter who we elect so I will reserve comment on that one to! Great thread btw!

Very good points - I'd take it even further and say I don't base the argument on work ethic or the fact that athletes on both sides of the fence have to use constant calculation and toil endlessly to realize their ambitions. For me, it isn't something that anyone should or even could rightfully climb up on their soap box and wag their index finger at anyone else.

People want to lift weights and take some whey protein and eat chicken breasts, awesome. People want to lift weights and take some whey protein, eat chicken, and enhance the output and circulation of their overarching hormone to reinforce their efforts, great.

I think there are ways of it being cheating.. for instance I've seen some huge dudes that can't lift crap. They use hgh and high test cycles, retain a lot of fluid and walk around like they're power lifters but struggle with 250lbs. So yeah if you abuse to just get big without necessarily getting strong then it's kind of a cop out

Bodybuilding is about building the body - hypertrophy, as it's absolute height of function and purpose. Bodybuilders are a vast universe apart from power lifters, so pursuing one or the other requires a streamlined and decisive regimen of training methodology. I always come back to the perhaps overused, but nonetheless enlightening quote, "It isn't about how much you can lift, but how much you look like you can lift."

Also, as I have witnessed an innumerable number of times, invariably, is that once a bodybuilder meddles in the training philosophies of a power lifter, it is fed by and sustained by a destructive and corrosive force known as the ego. Concentrating on numbers or poundage is a terminally flawed one-way street to curtailing or derailing one's gains in the long term as they shift focus from muscle growth to an entirely different objective requiring different techniques.

Weight, as I have often said over the years, is merely a measurement of the earth's gravitational exertion and pull on an orbiting or surface-bound object, it is neither indicative of progress or worthy of assigning importance as some measuring stick in our eternal endeavor to achieve anabolic actualization.

 

[Melaina]

It's kind of like a padded bra (cheating with aas).... if you can't back it up with something real (weight lifting/muscle/stamina) then what's the sense.

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

It's kind of like a padded bra (cheating with aas).... if you can't back it up with something real (weight lifting/muscle/stamina) then what's the sense.

Muscle, gobs of spellbinding dense mass, is the 'something real' you're referring to. It's bodybuilding - not 'look how much I can bench-ybuilding.'

For those committed to the undying fervent pursuit of attaining appreciable mass spread symmetrically across their frame like a beacon of awesomeness, they subscribe to whatever notion and methods expedite that very function specific goal - not caring how they answer the often asked question "How much you bench," or lifting with the dual purpose of being able to stop a locomotive, or leap tall buildings.

Weight, as I said before, is nothing more than a derailing detour that sidetracks the best intentions and gets the would-be well-muscled accomplished athlete two step back with an injury or a shattered ego once they place their faith and interest in the church and bank of poundage.

Besides, if someone truly invests years of their life, unremittingly, in the gym... they will still be exponentially stronger than Mr. Everyman swinging a hammer or pecking on a keyboard for a living. Win. Win.

 

[smit1982]

Muscle, gobs of spellbinding dense mass, is the 'something real' you're referring to. It's bodybuilding - not 'look how much I can bench-ybuilding.'

For those committed to the undying fervent pursuit of attaining appreciable mass spread symmetrically across their frame like a beacon of awesomeness, they subscribe to whatever notion and methods expedite that very function specific goal - not caring how they answer the often asked question "How much you bench," or lifting with the dual purpose of being able to stop a locomotive, or leap tall buildings.

Weight, as I said before, is nothing more than a derailing detour that sidetracks the best intentions and gets the would-be well-muscled accomplished athlete two step back with an injury or a shattered ego once they place their faith and interest in the church and bank of poundage.



Besides, if someone truly invests years of their life, unremittingly, in the gym... they will still be exponentially stronger than Mr. Everyman swinging a hammer or pecking on a keyboard for a living. Win. Win.

gotta agree..i love lifting weights and eating clean, but my lifts are *****...well at least to me they are haha