Steroids, God, and Politics...

[at(almost)ANYcost]

Even the guys on juice stop growing. I've seen guys go on cycle after cycle and go from 200 to 220 during cycle, then back down to 200 after cycle and PCT. They do it every cycle, year after year.

This is a very true point you make. PCT should always be used and devised as a way NOT ONLY to normalize hormone levels and ignite test production again, but to also MAINTAIN GAINS AND STRENGTH (a very daunting task, sure, but possible with a very, very detailed game plan utilizing research peptides and SARMS).

I, for one, after years and years of see-sawing until my head began to spin like countless other athletes playing the cycle/PCT game two steps forward, two steps back, have decided to do what the pros realized was so advantageous and profound years ago, to just blast/cruise. Too bad it took me this many years of back and forth trial and error confusion to come around into the knowledge the pros have been using for so long.

 

[local hero]

its a big decision to make, but staying on all the time is the only way to keep all your gains, with pct you can keep some, but your body will always want to go back to a smaller body, it isnt natural to hold lots of lean mass.. i do think after years of training and cycling you have earned more muscle than you would have staying natural tho...

for me im not ready to stay on full time, i treat my self to a nice good cycle over the summer and spend the rest of the time off

the big problem for me comming off is not so much the loss in size, im around 260+ lean when im on, i can hold 230/235 very easily when im off, the big problem for me is the niggles mount up when i come off, all my major injuries have happend in this time too

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

its a big decision to make, but staying on all the time is the only way to keep all your gains, with pct you can keep some, but your body will always want to go back to a smaller body, it isnt natural to hold lots of lean mass.. i do think after years of training and cycling you have earned more muscle than you would have staying natural tho...

for me im not ready to stay on full time, i treat my self to a nice good cycle over the summer and spend the rest of the time off

the big problem for me comming off is not so much the loss in size, im around 260+ lean when im on, i can hold 230/235 very easily when im off, the big problem for me is the niggles mount up when i come off, all my major injuries have happend in this time too

True, it is always a decision that shouldn't be made without weighty consideration.

What are niggles?

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Did anyone read the questions from above? Have a crack at this...

- If you could take a drug that was GUARANTEED beyond a shadow of a doubt to make you look like Jay Cutler ON STAGE in 2009 when he dominated everyone, BUT you would also never be able to have children, and you would have to offer up every last penny in your checking and savings account, as well as give up your car and ride a bus to and from work until you could afford a new car............ would you do it?

 

[local hero]

niggles,,,, as in sore elbows, achy shoulders, small pulls all seem to go hand in hand with coming off and staying off for a while,, these kind of things rarely happen whilest on for me...

to answer your last question, if you asked me in my early 20's id of jumped in with both feet.... now at 30, im not too sure...

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

niggles,,,, as in sore elbows, achy shoulders, small pulls all seem to go hand in hand with coming off and staying off for a while,, these kind of things rarely happen whilest on for me...

to answer your last question, if you asked me in my early 20's id of jumped in with both feet.... now at 30, im not too sure...

But 30 is so young! Actually, you are in your P-R-I-M-E! Even world class IFBB pro bodybuilders don't reach anywhere near their career peaks until their mid and even late 30's!

If someone presented me with a single injection that would manifest my deepest most details dreams of physical perfection, but I would never be able to have children and I had to extinguish my entire checking account - I would do it... IN... A... SECOND!!!!!!

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

Has anyone here every entertained recreational drug usage after cycling steroids? The two have never gone hand in hand, there is no 'gateway' effect with AAS usage, it is such a whole different dynamic. Athletes seek betterment, which never calls for or beckons them toward illicit drugs.

 

[Firetruck]

If someone presented me with a single injection that would manifest my deepest most details dreams of physical perfection, but I would never be able to have children and I had to extinguish my entire checking account - I would do it... IN... A... SECOND

Same here^^^^ then again I already have 2 teenage kids that's enough for me

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

If someone presented me with a single injection that would manifest my deepest most details dreams of physical perfection, but I would never be able to have children and I had to extinguish my entire checking account - I would do it... IN... A... SECOND

Same here^^^^ then again I already have 2 teenage kids that's enough for me

Alright, alright... let's up the stakes!

THE SAME HOLDS TRUE: One injection = pure physical perfection as you deem flawless

CONSEQUENCE/PAYMENT: You were told no matter what you did, you WOULD die at the age, of 80.

WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK?

 

[Firetruck]

Alright, alright... let's up the stakes!

THE SAME HOLDS TRUE: One injection = pure physical perfection as you deem flawless

CONSEQUENCE/PAYMENT: You were told no matter what you did, you WOULD die at the age, of 80.

WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK?

I think most people would settle for 80 without physical perfection bro

 

[obsessedwliftin]

I think most people would settle for 80 without physical perfection bro

Agreed! Can I have 80 for a hundred Alex?:yes:

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

I think most people would settle for 80 without physical perfection bro

True... let's up the ante even more!

100% PHYSICAL PERFECTION, ABSOLUTE ADONIS WITHOUT ANY LIMIT... but you would diet at the age of 60.

?

 

[Firetruck]

True... let's up the ante even more!

100% PHYSICAL PERFECTION, ABSOLUTE ADONIS WITHOUT ANY LIMIT... but you would diet at the age of 60.

?

They say everyone has their cutoff point lol and as I'm 44 this year no I wouldn't make that deal bro

 

[imported_ceo]

me either. Nor would I want to drain my checking and savings accounts and lose my car. I'm not concerned with being Mr. Olympia. I'd rather be healthy and live to see my kids grow up and have their own kids (hopefully if I live that long).

Some of you guys must not have much in your bank accounts. Poor bastards!

What about 401K's? Stocks? Mutual Funds? IRA's? Are we just talking bank accounts and cars, or everything? What about Money Markets? CD's?

 

[local hero]

60 is a little young.... i'll be lucky to live to 80 working in my industry, with retirement age just raised to 67 in uk, and more likely to be 70 by the time i retire

i'll take two shots of those bad boys thinking again....

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

They say everyone has their cutoff point lol and as I'm 44 this year no I wouldn't make that deal bro

I just realized I wrote "you will diet at the age of 60," in stead of "die." Ha, awesome.

I guess it really does depend on two factors, CURRENT age, and fervor for hugeness.

me either. Nor would I want to drain my checking and savings accounts and lose my car. I'm not concerned with being Mr. Olympia. I'd rather be healthy and live to see my kids grow up and have their own kids (hopefully if I live that long).

Some of you guys must not have much in your bank accounts. Poor bastards!

What about 401K's? Stocks? Mutual Funds? IRA's? Are we just talking bank accounts and cars, or everything? What about Money Markets? CD's?

Good point, my 401(k) is growing by the week... let's say YOU MUST SACRIFICE EVERY SINGLE WORLDLY POSSESSION, and remove the age of death totally.

So, you would attain perfection however you see fit, but sacrifice all aside from what shirt is on your back. For those younger, equity can be rebuilt, homes repurchased, and bank accounts reestablished.

60 is a little young.... i'll be lucky to live to 80 working in my industry, with retirement age just raised to 67 in uk, and more likely to be 70 by the time i retire

i'll take two shots of those bad boys thinking again....

I would have to think about it, in deep lengthy contemplation... but being able to realize and then SUSTAIN perfection for a lifetime, would be worth it to me, because it would eliminate the need for health care costs, physical ailments, and oh yeah.... contest prep!

 

[Firetruck]

I would have to think about it, in deep lengthy contemplation... but being able to realize and then SUSTAIN perfection for a lifetime, would be worth it to me, because it would eliminate the need for health care costs, physical ailments, and oh yeah.... contest prep! [/QUOTE]

The picture of Dorian gray

 

[imported_ceo]

Good point, my 401(k) is growing by the week... let's say YOU MUST SACRIFICE EVERY SINGLE WORLDLY POSSESSION, and remove the age of death totally.

So, you would attain perfection however you see fit, but sacrifice all aside from what shirt is on your back. For those younger, equity can be rebuilt, homes repurchased, and bank accounts reestablished.

I think anyone who would choose that either has nothing to their name and no kids, or they are incredibly stupid.

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

The picture of Dorian gray

Just googled this and pulled it up on IMDB, is it worth watching? I doubt it will be available instantly, but I will put it on me queue if you say it's truly worth renting?

What other movies are there that deal with eternal perfection or youth/life?

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

I would have to think about it, in deep lengthy contemplation... but being able to realize and then SUSTAIN perfection for a lifetime, would be worth it to me, because it would eliminate the need for health care costs, physical ailments, and oh yeah.... contest prep!

The picture of Dorian gray[/QUOTE]

I think anyone who would choose that either has nothing to their name and no kids, or they are incredibly stupid.

Well, I am younger and know how to hustle a dollar If I could avoid the thousands, and thousands, and thousands of dollars in doctor's bills, medication, health costs, x rays, dentist fees, MRIs, and even steroids and supplements for the next fifty+ years... it would compile and aggregate to some amazing wealth savings - plus I'd have a perpetual six pack and be able to enjoy my life and time with children once I have them, without worrying about that day down the road I move into a nursing home or lose all will and desire to live.

Money, paychecks, and a retirement account isn't going anywhere... but health and youth is. I would respectfully argue that the opposite is true: Anyone who chooses against physical perfection is perpetuity in exchange for a one-time sacrifice of their worldly possessions is either entirely too short sighted, or has no faith in their ability to earn an ongoing paycheck and execute a plan of wealth rebuilding. In fact, most successful people have declared bankruptcy MORE than once before attaining their millions.

 

[Firetruck]

Just googled this and pulled it up on IMDB, is it worth watching? I doubt it will be available instantly, but I will put it on me queue if you say it's truly worth renting?

What other movies are there that deal with eternal perfection or youth/life?

I watched the movie it was ok,it was just the similarity with ur question that reminded me,guy like gives up his soul in return for eternal youth and looks.
Have u ever found it strange that we spend so much money,time and pain training,mental torture of dieting,for what is basically at the end of the day,vanity