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Tbol or Winstrol

WhiffDog

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I'm looking to try an oral cycle for the first time, I'm 37 & an Olympic weightlifter so don't want anything that's going to cause water retention like dbol.
My first thought was Anavar but it seems really expensive & out of stock in the UK with Para Pharma so I'm going to order tbol & winstrol from them.
Can anyone advise which would be better for weightlifting please? From listening to the pods & other research it seems winstrol is stronger but also hard on the joints which could be an issue?
Also could they be stacked together or is it better to just try tbol first & see how it goes?
Any advice would be appreciated, also not ready to pin yet as I know people will say run test with it
 
This scenario is literally why TBol exists. It’s a pure performance enhancer. Winstrol is pretty hard on the body. I wouldn’t stack them.

The smartest move is probably just to start out on a mild test only cycle. Pinning is not that big a deal, and test is going to be the most forgiving to your body.
 
I'm looking to try an oral cycle for the first time, I'm 37 & an Olympic weightlifter so don't want anything that's going to cause water retention like dbol.
My first thought was Anavar but it seems really expensive & out of stock in the UK with Para Pharma so I'm going to order tbol & winstrol from them.
Can anyone advise which would be better for weightlifting please? From listening to the pods & other research it seems winstrol is stronger but also hard on the joints which could be an issue?
Also could they be stacked together or is it better to just try tbol first & see how it goes?
Any advice would be appreciated, also not ready to pin yet as I know people will say run test with it
@WhiffDog welcome to the evolutionary.org family! @Mobster is a UK Grip champion and he's our senior moderator, check this log:
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@WhiffDog winstrol will dry you out more of course. I would say in terms of lifts and being a weightlifter tbol 50mgs/ed with 7caps n2guard is the way you should do it.
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tbol beats winstrol for lifting imo
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lifters generally stick to tbol drier and less joint issues vs winstrol
you are training hard lets see your LOG already
 
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tbol is your g2g for training
please please share log journal
 
tbol > winstrol no question here
please for us share your log journal
 
Ok Tbol it is then. Thanks for all the comments.
I'll be training up to a comp at the end of October so will log everything as I go & post
 
Thanks.
And for on cycle I was going to run fish oil & the N2guard then for PCT nolva & something similar to the N2Generate as it seems hard to get in the UK? Seen a few similar on Predator Nutrition?
@WhiffDog

n2guard is on predator nutrition, email them they can probably get hcgenerate (n2generate for you)
you will need n2guard 7caps ed for oral and steroids as organ liver support and fish oil is a must
 
Ok Tbol it is then. Thanks for all the comments.
I'll be training up to a comp at the end of October so will log everything as I go & post
@WhiffDog start your LOG now with diet training so we can prep you for the cycle
 
winstrol will dry out the joints a lot.
 
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