test cyp injections IM versus Subq - dosages

[Lawyerguy1]

I've decided to switch from topical gel for TRT to using test cyp injections. I've been a big proponent of gel on here if you search my prior posts but I'm not opposed to trying something new. In reading about various dosing protocol in terms of dosage itself and also timing, there is also the question of method, intramuscular versus subcutaneous.

I'm fine with either and to avoid the peaks/valleys of T levels will end up doing split dosage injections 2x per week to maybe 2x per 10 days, but in reading about dosing protocol the recommended dosages differ depending on delivery method. Why? I find medical clinic based articles about this, and even in the same medical articles you will see a particular TRT clinic publication discussing (for example) IM injection 2x per week at 50 to 100 mg per injection, but the SAME article will also discuss Subq injections 2x per week but at dosages of only 30 to 50 mg per injection.

Why? If you can achieve the same total T levels regardless of the type of injection, why would I not just do subq at a lower dose and also avoid any post injection muscle pain? Does anyone on here have good understanding of the reasoning for either delivery method or maybe have firsthand experience with both methods and how effective they were in achieving the T level you wanted? Thanks.

 

[s.gentz]

I've decided to switch from topical gel for TRT to using test cyp injections. I've been a big proponent of gel on here if you search my prior posts but I'm not opposed to trying something new. In reading about various dosing protocol in terms of dosage itself and also timing, there is also the question of method, intramuscular versus subcutaneous.

I'm fine with either and to avoid the peaks/valleys of T levels will end up doing split dosage injections 2x per week to maybe 2x per 10 days, but in reading about dosing protocol the recommended dosages differ depending on delivery method. Why? I find medical clinic based articles about this, and even in the same medical articles you will see a particular TRT clinic publication discussing (for example) IM injection 2x per week at 50 to 100 mg per injection, but the SAME article will also discuss Subq injections 2x per week but at dosages of only 30 to 50 mg per injection.

Why? If you can achieve the same total T levels regardless of the type of injection, why would I not just do subq at a lower dose and also avoid any post injection muscle pain? Does anyone on here have good understanding of the reasoning for either delivery method or maybe have firsthand experience with both methods and how effective they were in achieving the T level you wanted? Thanks.

I think IM is the best way. SubQ can cause lumps in the belly.
The reason some guys subQ is that they inject ED or EOD very small amounts. What they are hoping to achieve with this method is either lower estrogen conversion or lower SHBG. If these issues aren't an issue for you I would go IM 2x per week.
The reasoning for the discrepancy in dosages IM vs SubQ is that it's believed you will get better absorption going SubQ. The other reason could be that most guys that are subQ inject ED or EOD in very small amounts and use testP. TestP has a lower ester weight than C or E some you are getting more Test MG for MG out of prop.
If you want to use E or C i would go every 3.5 days IM and see how you do.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I've decided to switch from topical gel for TRT to using test cyp injections. I've been a big proponent of gel on here if you search my prior posts but I'm not opposed to trying something new. In reading about various dosing protocol in terms of dosage itself and also timing, there is also the question of method, intramuscular versus subcutaneous.

I'm fine with either and to avoid the peaks/valleys of T levels will end up doing split dosage injections 2x per week to maybe 2x per 10 days, but in reading about dosing protocol the recommended dosages differ depending on delivery method. Why? I find medical clinic based articles about this, and even in the same medical articles you will see a particular TRT clinic publication discussing (for example) IM injection 2x per week at 50 to 100 mg per injection, but the SAME article will also discuss Subq injections 2x per week but at dosages of only 30 to 50 mg per injection.

Why? If you can achieve the same total T levels regardless of the type of injection, why would I not just do subq at a lower dose and also avoid any post injection muscle pain? Does anyone on here have good understanding of the reasoning for either delivery method or maybe have firsthand experience with both methods and how effective they were in achieving the T level you wanted? Thanks.

@Lawyerguy1 I found IM is the best way to inject, in the muscle right where it should be. All this subQ just leaves lumps and oil pockets just like @s.gentz said. I have multiple clients complaining of it, and had it myself.
Clinical or not, in reality its all oil pockets.

@Lawyerguy1 hows your log plans for this TRT? saw your original thread but no follow up after
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/not-a-log-but-test-update.98633/

 

[Noah Wixx]

I've done creams/gels IM and subq if it's a small amount weekly I favor subq if it's a larger amount I favor IM if it is a cycle I always go IM

I do my dose for trt x2 injections a week 4 days apart from each injection.

Every method I've done worked well for me, nothing beats the amount u can do IM imo

 

[stevesmi]

injecting once a week or once every 2-3 weeks makes more sense if you are on long term trt.

 

[ceo]

bros I don't get what you're asking
at the end of the day it's the same thing

 

[ROIDDERS]

as long as you're a blood work shows it's working
then what's the big deal

 

[chesty]

you should put up a log and experiment
but most people have already tried

 

[Ulter]

it doesn't matter at all
as long as you don't develop abscesses or scar tissue

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

LOG APPROVED - PLEASE POST A LOG

 

[e2]

are you gonna put up a log
you never followed up with us

 

[2Thick]

at the end of the day the blood work doesn't lie
we know what works and we know what doesn't

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

you want the least amount of injections right
nobody wants to inject very often if they're going long term

 

[Wootoom]

most trt doctors will want you injecting once a week at the most
no need to go more than that

 

[JasonPriest]

isn't it just easier to just pin once and be done
who wants the pin twice a week or three times a week long term

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro try tren for trt
I bet it blows you away

 

[Quadsweep]

with love to see you do a log
that will give us more to work with

 

[Mobster]

Why would a clinic, that you pay to inject you, look at daily sub-q injections? Hmm...

 

[Lawyerguy1]

I think IM is the best way. SubQ can cause lumps in the belly.
The reason some guys subQ is that they inject ED or EOD very small amounts. What they are hoping to achieve with this method is either lower estrogen conversion or lower SHBG. If these issues aren't an issue for you I would go IM 2x per week.
The reasoning for the discrepancy in dosages IM vs SubQ is that it's believed you will get better absorption going SubQ. The other reason could be that most guys that are subQ inject ED or EOD in very small amounts and use testP. TestP has a lower ester weight than C or E some you are getting more Test MG for MG out of prop.
If you want to use E or C i would go every 3.5 days IM and see how you do.

Thanks, I could see rate/speed of absorbtion maybe being different but somehow it just seems counterintuitive that the actual amount itself being absorbed would be different. Then again, I'm not a doctor either

Why would a clinic, that you pay to inject you, look at daily sub-q injections? Hmm...

This is something I'll be doing on my own, not through a clinic. I'm just looking up various articles on dosing protocol and found it interesting that although you can do either IM or subq, within the very same articles it seems that subq seems to be always come out at lower total dosages over the same time frame. It just surprised me, because that implies greater absorption and bioavailability if it's into your fat rather than the muscle itself. It almost seems counterintuitive.

 

[RoidRage69]

Thanks, I could see rate/speed of absorbtion maybe being different but somehow it just seems counterintuitive that the actual amount itself being absorbed would be different. Then again, I'm not a doctor either

This is something I'll be doing on my own, not through a clinic. I'm just looking up various articles on dosing protocol and found it interesting that although you can do either IM or subq, within the very same articles it seems that subq seems to be always come out at lower total dosages over the same time frame. It just surprised me, because that implies greater absorption and bioavailability if it's into your fat rather than the muscle itself. It almost seems counterintuitive.

You go directly into muscle for best results. Don't try and overthink this. Do what the pros do. Heck even in the vial it says for IM injection.