Test-E only Cycle as 2nd Cycle.

[Frank-White]

Good afternoon folks hope all is well.
I was curious to know if running a Test-E only cycle @ 800 mg to 1000 mg a week was a reasonable 2nd cycle ?
Length of cycle I was thinking 16 weeks so as to take advantage of the long ester and maximize gains. The other reasoning behind this cycle is that it's simple and cost effective with minimal sides other than the obvious Aromatisation for which I'll take Aromasin @12.5 mg eod . I was thinking a kickstarter like Tbol or Dbol for the first 4 weeks exact dosage and timing I would need your help with. For liver and organ protection N2guard for the possible acne an antibacterial shampoo to keep it at bay. If anyone has done such a cycle It would be great to get your feed back all and any advice is welcomed .
Thanks

 

[Portfolio]

Good afternoon folks hope all is well.
I was curious to know if running a Test-E only cycle @ 800 mg to 1000 mg a week was a reasonable 2nd cycle ?
Length of cycle I was thinking 16 weeks so as to take advantage of the long ester and maximize gains. The other reasoning behind this cycle is that it's simple and cost effective with minimal sides other than the obvious Aromatisation for which I'll take Aromasin @12.5 mg eod . I was thinking a kickstarter like Tbol or Dbol for the first 4 weeks exact dosage and timing I would need your help with. For liver and organ protection N2guard for the possible acne an antibacterial shampoo to keep it at bay. If anyone has done such a cycle It would be great to get your feed back all and any advice is welcomed .
Thanks

In my opinion, 800 to 1000 mgs of Test is entirely too aggressive for a second cycle. I would keep it at no more than 600mgs per week. What did your first cycle consist of?

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In other words, to me and at this point you simply do not need more than 600mgs of Test per week. I feel as though the additional 200 to 400 mgs would be a waste of juice. It may even prove to be counterproductive. Gurus?

 

[Frank-White]

In my opinion, 800 to 1000 mgs of Test is entirely too aggressive for a second cycle. I would keep it at no more than 600mgs per week. What did your first cycle consist of?

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In other words, to me and at this point you simply do not need more than 600mgs of Test per week. I feel as though the additional 200 to 400 mgs would be a waste of juice. It may even prove to be counterproductive. Gurus?

My first cycle consisted of 500 mg a week of Test-C for 12 weeks. Now I'm cruising @ 250 mg a week TRT. Gurus?

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Since my first cycle was @500 mg I assumed 800 mg would be a good step up . What are your thoughts on the kick starter Tbol or Dbol for 4 weeks?

 

[Frank-White]

As a Newbie Its easy for me to say 800mg will do just fine since 500 mg for first cycle did just fine without any incident. Is it that easy to say I'm gonna do this amount and pin on this day and that day and that's all she wrote . Don't I need to know how to manipulate and optimize the half life of the particular compound to reap all its benefits? Gurus Yes

 

[BigJay]

Don't forget that Test-E builds up in your system. So after many weeks you will have more test in your system than you think. You could end up with way more than a gram of test-e in your system after 4 weeks and not even know it. For ones second cycle 800 is way to much in my opinion. You really haven't had enough of a chance to compare the effects from one dose to the next. It would be smarter to work your way up, and observe how your body responds before taking on large dosages.

 

[Portfolio]

My first cycle consisted of 500 mg a week of Test-C for 12 weeks. Now I'm cruising @ 250 mg a week TRT. Gurus?

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Since my first cycle was @500 mg I assumed 800 mg would be a good step up . What are your thoughts on the kick starter Tbol or Dbol for 4 weeks?

I have kick started plenty of cycles with four weeks of Dbol or Tbol with great results. So, yes, I think that a kick start with either Tbol or Dbol combined with 600mgs of Test for the duration of the cycle would be perfect for a second cycle. But that's just for what it's worth and from someone who is anything but an AAS guru.

As for knowing how to " manipulate and optimize the half life of the particular compound to reap all its benefits," yes, that is an extremely important aspect of cycling; one which I am still learning and, like you, still need help with.

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Don't forget that Test-E builds up in your system. So after many weeks you will have more test in your system than you think. You could end up with way more than a gram of test-e in your system after 4 weeks and not even know it.

Quite true.

 

[Frank-White]

Don't forget that Test-E builds up in your system. So after many weeks you will have more test in your system than you think. You could end up with way more than a gram of test-e in your system after 4 weeks and not even know it. For ones second cycle 800 is way to much in my opinion. You really haven't had enough of a chance to compare the effects from one dose to the next. It would be smarter to work your way up, and observe how your body responds before taking on large dosages.

BigJay thank you for taking the time out to give me your honest advice this is exactly what I was looking for people with very good common sense and experience.

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Don't forget that Test-E builds up in your system. So after many weeks you will have more test in your system than you think. You could end up with way more than a gram of test-e in your system after 4 weeks and not even know it. For ones second cycle 800 is way to much in my opinion. You really haven't had enough of a chance to compare the effects from one dose to the next. It would be smarter to work your way up, and observe how your body responds before taking on large dosages.

BigJay thank you for taking the time out to give me your honest advice this is exactly what I was looking for people with very good common sense and experience.

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I have kick started plenty of cycles with four weeks of Dbol or Tbol with great results. So, yes, I think that a kick start with either Tbol or Dbol combined with 600mgs of Test for the duration of the cycle would be perfect for a second cycle. But that's just for what it's worth and from someone who is anything but an AAS guru.

As for knowing how to " manipulate and optimize the half life of the particular compound to reap all its benefits," yes, that is an extremely important aspect of cycling; one which I am still learning and, like you, still need help with.

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Quite true.

Porfolio your response is more than welcomed your recommendation is something I'll consider . Allow me to ask the Tbol or Dbol what do you recommend would be the daily dose for some one in my position I also mentioned 16 weeks or would that be a bit to much and 12 weeks a more reasonable option ?

 

[Frank-White]

Porfolio your response is more than welcomed your recommendation is something I'll consider . Allow me to ask the Tbol or Dbol what do you recommend would be the daily dose for some one in my position I also mentioned 16 weeks or would that be a bit to much and 12 weeks a more reasonable option ?

 

[muskate]

There is really no need to increase your testosterone dosage past 500mg/week. Any more then that and a lot of testosterone is going to start aromatizing into estrogen (even with an AI). I would do a simple 12 week cycle of testosterone at 500mg/week with a 4 week tbol kick start.

Here's what I recommend:

Weeks 1 - 12
testosterone 500mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg every other day

Weeks 1 - 4
tbol 30mg/day
n2guard 7 capsules/day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

 

[Frank-White]

There is really no need to increase your testosterone dosage past 500mg/week. Any more then that and a lot of testosterone is going to start aromatizing into estrogen (even with an AI). I would do a simple 12 week cycle of testosterone at 500mg/week with a 4 week tbol kick start.

Here's what I recommend:

Weeks 1 - 12
testosterone 500mg/week
aromasin 12.5mg every other day

Weeks 1 - 4
tbol 30mg/day
n2guard 7 capsules/day

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

You can order everything you need for the cycle and the PCT protocol from ag-guys.com, n2bm.com and sarms1.com.

Thank you muskate the voice of reason always prevails..
Just looked into Tbol and I definitely liked what I can expect from it especially since I'm going to start my second cycle on the second week of June .

Tighter muscles without a puffy look
Increase in strength
Increase in lean muscle mass
Ability to strongly bind to SHBG
Increase in free testosterone
Low-Side Effects
All this is like music to my ears Tbol has found a friend in me with these results.
I'm TRT so after cycle I can transition right into my TRT protocol ?

Thanks again

 

[Frank-White]

I forgot to ask I have noticed that most sources have 25 mg to 50 mg tabs and recommended doses all seem to imply that doses should be anywhere from 20 to 50 mg a day how do you narrow it down to these specific doses ?

Thanks Again

 

[REPHARD]

Tbol sounds a lot like Anavar in regards to what it does. I've never taken Tbol but right now I'm taking 25mg of Anavar in addition to 250mg of Cyp. Some say to take 50mg of Var but these are the same people who recommend high doses of everything.

 

[drippie]

Good afternoon folks hope all is well.
I was curious to know if running a Test-E only cycle @ 800 mg to 1000 mg a week was a reasonable 2nd cycle ?
Length of cycle I was thinking 16 weeks so as to take advantage of the long ester and maximize gains. The other reasoning behind this cycle is that it's simple and cost effective with minimal sides other than the obvious Aromatisation for which I'll take Aromasin @12.5 mg eod . I was thinking a kickstarter like Tbol or Dbol for the first 4 weeks exact dosage and timing I would need your help with. For liver and organ protection N2guard for the possible acne an antibacterial shampoo to keep it at bay. If anyone has done such a cycle It would be great to get your feed back all and any advice is welcomed .
Thanks

800mg of test-e is amazing.

I just finished my first cycle and it was 14 weeks. After 8 weeks of 500mg, I upped my dose to 750mg and the feeling and results were amazing after the increase. I got a puffy nipple twice and each time I used .25mg of arimidex for a couple of days then it was gone. I rarely used an AI otherwise even though I had it on hand. At 14 weeks I could start to feel plateau so I wouldn't push it past 16 weeks. It may start to lose effectiveness.

I am just starting PCT and looking forward to clearing my system. My second cycle will be test e or c 750-1000mg with a front load. I'm undecided on how much to front load though.

I started with DBOLs and got dramatic results. I just couldn't handle the bloat after 3 weeks. I got BW done following DBOL and liver/kidney values were all in normal range.

AS you said, the increase in sides are very minimal when bumping to 800mg.

 

[drippie]

Tbol sounds a lot like Anavar in regards to what it does. I've never taken Tbol but right now I'm taking 25mg of Anavar in addition to 250mg of Cyp. Some say to take 50mg of Var but these are the same people who recommend high doses of everything.

My wife made it up to 25mg of VAR and no she is not huge, she is bikini comp shape. Your doses of each are barely over TRT and not really effective for body/mass building. I tried 50mg of var and still noticed very little so I discontinued because it's kind of expensive to be wasting.

 

[LevButlerov]

I forgot to ask I have noticed that most sources have 25 mg to 50 mg tabs and recommended doses all seem to imply that doses should be anywhere from 20 to 50 mg a day how do you narrow it down to these specific doses ?

Thanks Again

You don't have to be all crazy with the exactitude of the dosages. 50 mgs would be just fine.

Tbol sounds a lot like Anavar in regards to what it does. I've never taken Tbol but right now I'm taking 25mg of Anavar in addition to 250mg of Cyp. Some say to take 50mg of Var but these are the same people who recommend high doses of everything.

It is very similar to anavar indeed, with the difference of being slightly more anabolic, cheaper, and less faked. Other than that, I would dare to say that they are basically the same thing. 25 mgs of Anavar as an additional compound is a good dosage - there is no need to be excessive with dosages, as more is not always better.

My wife made it up to 25mg of VAR and no she is not huge, she is bikini comp shape. Your doses of each are barely over TRT and not really effective for body/mass building. I tried 50mg of var and still noticed very little so I discontinued because it's kind of expensive to be wasting.

I would be very careful with the ladies using steroids, as the side effects can be permanent, and there can be a lot of other issues. In fact, not long ago @muskate has written a very good and thorough article on the use of steroids by women, and the possible consequences - you would need to read it.

http://www.evolutionary.org/steroids-and-women

http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/steroids-women-trevor-kouritzin-37531.html

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

I like the cycle Muskate laid out but personally I would run tbol a little higher than 30mg. That's just me though. I agree that test at 500 is a great dose and will keep side effects from being what they would on 800mg.

 

[Portfolio]

It is very similar to anavar indeed, with the difference of being slightly more anabolic, cheaper, and less faked.

Beginning this coming Monday, there exists a very good chance that Promedications.org will be offering pouches of 100 50mg tablets of GP Anavar for $220.

 

[REPHARD]

My wife made it up to 25mg of VAR and no she is not huge, she is bikini comp shape. Your doses of each are barely over TRT and not really effective for body/mass building. I tried 50mg of var and still noticed very little so I discontinued because it's kind of expensive to be wasting.

Well, I'm 250lbs at 13%bf and I respond very well. 250mg of test is all I need to maintain and make slow steady gains. I can offer a pic if you would like. 250 is my cruising dose and I only cycle up from that once a year to 500mg if I feel like it. 25mg of real Var is all u need. Again, most people take in excess

 

[Bill Whiseley]

halo how abt the plan in diffrent cycle ??i wanna learn from u and wanna know ur training plan if u have time mail me?：）