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Test e/tren e 12 week cycle

AZMountainMan

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I am interested in doing a 12 week bulk cycle with test and tren and maybe an oral to kickstart it.

Previous cycle:
Test C + oxymethalone

Stats:
Age - 31
182 lbs - 18% bf
14 years off and on at the gym - now have a half rack at home.

Currently doing carb cycling diet to lean up a little before my 12 week bulk.

I will be getting liquid dostinex to help with prolactin. Also aromasin.

Will be following perfect pct protocal - still gathering/ordering everything and i am not starting cycle until i have all components.


So my plan is:
Test E 400-500 a week 1-12
Tren E 500 s week 1-12
Maybe add an oral?

Any ideas as to a good oral to add for kickstart? I have anadrol on hand but not sure if i should change out for a different oral or run no oral at all.

Will be ordering from roidmass. Open to any criticism or ideas for what i could or should add/remove.

Thanks
 
18% FAT is a high body fat...below 15 % is a great to start roids cycle..other wise your cycle is looking good you can add oral with liver gurd tbol would be the best. Good luck

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Trenbolone is a VERY powerful steroid. It has an androgenic:anabolic ratio of 500:500. Testosterone is 100:100 in comparison. Mg per MG it is 5x stronger then testosterone. You will make fantastic gains off just a test/tren cycle. Especially if this is your first time using tren.

I recommend running the testosterone higher then tren to keep side effects to a minimum. I really like a dosage of 500mg/week for test and 300mg/week for tren.

Remember to include the proper support supplements in your cycle. A test/tren cycle needs 3 main support supplements:
1. An AI (aromasin) to keep estrogen in the low-normal range
2. An anti-prolactin drug (cabergoline) to keep prolactin in the low-normal range
3. Cardarine to increase fat loss, endurance and prevent tren related side effects like tren cough

This is how I would run your cycle:
Weeks 1 - 10
Testosterone e 500mg/week (inject 250mg Monday and Friday)
Tren ace 300mg/week (inject 100mg Monday, Wednesday and Friday)
aromasin 10mg EOD
cabergoline 0.25mg EOD
cardarine 20mg/day

After the cycle run the perfect PCT protocol -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
 
your dosage and length of tren is way too high.

take my advice and start out at 200mg a week only. you can work it up to 300 if you want but you can get outstanding gains on 200mg a week. and don't plan on 12 weeks. plan on 8 weeks only, you can always extend it if you wish but tren wrecks havoc on your body where i would only go 8 weeks tops the first time
 
You can add some dbol, for example 40mg/ed for the first 3-4 weeks if you want to kickstart it
 
Just my personal preference but I would use something like tbol instead of anadrol. Only because tren will be incredibly harsh on the system and anadrol is the same. Tbol is much more mild but will give you a great kickstart as far as strength and mass gains. You wont have the water retention either. Just make sure you use your liver support like N2Guard with any oral steroid. I would even take it throughout your entire cycle to combat the tren.
 
First off. Thank you everyone for your quick responses and i appreciate all the replies/information.

Following advice from the pros here i woll be dropping the tren dosage to 200mg a week since it is my first time using tren. It also looks like it would be a good idea to not take the anadrol. I will be changing this out for Tbol or possible just order the tbol to have on hand for another cycle. Will also be ahortening cycle length to 8 weeks. This will help me buy all my ancillaries faster which i will not be starting the cycle without!!!!

Also im working on dropping my bodyfat % before cycle using the carb cycling diet posted elsewhere on the forums. Can post the link if anyone is wondering.

Again, thank you all for the advice and i welcome any advice/criticism.
 
First off. Thank you everyone for your quick responses and i appreciate all the replies/information.

Following advice from the pros here i woll be dropping the tren dosage to 200mg a week since it is my first time using tren. It also looks like it would be a good idea to not take the anadrol. I will be changing this out for Tbol or possible just order the tbol to have on hand for another cycle. Will also be ahortening cycle length to 8 weeks. This will help me buy all my ancillaries faster which i will not be starting the cycle without!!!!

Also im working on dropping my bodyfat % before cycle using the carb cycling diet posted elsewhere on the forums. Can post the link if anyone is wondering.

Again, thank you all for the advice and i welcome any advice/criticism.

You have made here some good decisions, but there is one thing that you should not do - shorten the cycle. Both trenbolone enanthate and testosterone enanthate are long acting steroids, and in 8 weeks you will not get really good results, since it will take them at least 2 weeks just to start acting at full force. Usually, with such long esters you should run 12 week cycles.
 
First off. Thank you everyone for your quick responses and i appreciate all the replies/information.

Following advice from the pros here i woll be dropping the tren dosage to 200mg a week since it is my first time using tren. It also looks like it would be a good idea to not take the anadrol. I will be changing this out for Tbol or possible just order the tbol to have on hand for another cycle. Will also be ahortening cycle length to 8 weeks. This will help me buy all my ancillaries faster which i will not be starting the cycle without!!!!

Also im working on dropping my bodyfat % before cycle using the carb cycling diet posted elsewhere on the forums. Can post the link if anyone is wondering.

Again, thank you all for the advice and i welcome any advice/criticism.

If you want to use long esters like test e and tren e, I would run the cycle for 12 weeks. Otherwise switch to test prop and tren ace
 
i think 8 weeks for a long ester is fine... it may not be the most optimal but that is 2 months on + the time for the ester to clear which is another 4 weeks or so
 
First off. Thank you everyone for your quick responses and i appreciate all the replies/information.

Following advice from the pros here i woll be dropping the tren dosage to 200mg a week since it is my first time using tren. It also looks like it would be a good idea to not take the anadrol. I will be changing this out for Tbol or possible just order the tbol to have on hand for another cycle. Will also be ahortening cycle length to 8 weeks. This will help me buy all my ancillaries faster which i will not be starting the cycle without!!!!

Also im working on dropping my bodyfat % before cycle using the carb cycling diet posted elsewhere on the forums. Can post the link if anyone is wondering.

Again, thank you all for the advice and i welcome any advice/criticism.

Good man. Follow the carb cycling diet as outlined in this article: http://www.evolutionary.org/cycling-carbohydrates and you will get the results you are looking for.

I personally would do a 12 week cycle. 8 weeks really isn't a lot of time. Building muscle is a slow process. The longer the hormones are in your body, the more time they will have to work.
 
I still have some time before i start the cycle. Making sure i acquire the proper pct and ancillaries as well as drop my bf% before bulking.

Thank you for all the replies and information. It is much appreciated. I will be ordering enough for a 12 week cycle but will plan for 8 weeks. I will keep you guys posted and provided my body is feeling up to it i have the option to run for 12 weeks. Im around a month away from being able to begin cycle.

I got crazy insomnia from just test so who knows the trensomnia could drive me crazy. Had nightsweats too come to think of it. My wife was incredibly mad she thought i pissed the bed the first time it happened then i had to sleep on beach towels after that. It was worth it though. Changes in my physique that i never thought id see. Only thing that sucked is i didnt have ny pft set up properly. Just had hcg 5000 iu +nolvadex + over the counter test booster from walmart. I know much better now after doing more research and found these better forums here! Perfect pct all the way or no point in doing a cycle.

Still welcoming any input.
 
If it helps you at all; I did 200mg/wk Tren A for 8 weeks with 500mg/wk of Test E for my first cycle. Great results and low to no sides. I did run an AI and vitamin E with it. I've seen lots of posts that support higher doses of Tren won't generate much more effective results(for your first run) at higher doses and the sides are WAY worse.
I think I'm going to extend the Test E portion for another four weeks.
My stats:
40yrs 18% bf
192lb
I used to be at the gym daily(back in the day) four years. I took a long break while doing a physical job, but am now back 5 days a week.
 
I still have some time before i start the cycle. Making sure i acquire the proper pct and ancillaries as well as drop my bf% before bulking.

Thank you for all the replies and information. It is much appreciated. I will be ordering enough for a 12 week cycle but will plan for 8 weeks. I will keep you guys posted and provided my body is feeling up to it i have the option to run for 12 weeks. Im around a month away from being able to begin cycle.

I got crazy insomnia from just test so who knows the trensomnia could drive me crazy. Had nightsweats too come to think of it. My wife was incredibly mad she thought i pissed the bed the first time it happened then i had to sleep on beach towels after that. It was worth it though. Changes in my physique that i never thought id see. Only thing that sucked is i didnt have ny pft set up properly. Just had hcg 5000 iu +nolvadex + over the counter test booster from walmart. I know much better now after doing more research and found these better forums here! Perfect pct all the way or no point in doing a cycle.

Still welcoming any input.

N2Sleep is a great supplement if you have sleep problems. It is all natural, and there are no side effects. What I like that most about it, is that unlike most other sleep drugs, you will not have a sensation of having a hangover the next morning. Instead, you will wake up rested and refreshed. 2 caps an hour before going to sleep are enough for most people. If you see that this is not enough to get quite the desired results, you can gradually increase the dosage to 4 caps per day. For instance, if this is not enough, then take a third cap right before going to sleep. If you feel like needing more, then take 2 caps an hour before going to sleep, and another 2 caps right before going to sleep, making a total of 4 caps. If 4 caps of N2Sleep won't make you sleep all night like a baby, then nothing will.

Personally, I can vouch for the effectiveness of N2Sleep since for a long time my wife has been having some bad insomnia problems, and some nights she would not fall asleep at all. Then she started using N2Sleep, and the sleep patterns got back in order rather fast. N2Sleep has been a real savior for her sleep, so I have seen it in action.
 
I ran 500mg test and 300mg tren on my last cycle and was hot as fuck at night. That was really the only side effect I had. It made it tough to stay asleep as I would wake up sweating. It is just something you deal with when running tren.
 
I still have some time before i start the cycle. Making sure i acquire the proper pct and ancillaries as well as drop my bf% before bulking.

Thank you for all the replies and information. It is much appreciated. I will be ordering enough for a 12 week cycle but will plan for 8 weeks. I will keep you guys posted and provided my body is feeling up to it i have the option to run for 12 weeks. Im around a month away from being able to begin cycle.

I got crazy insomnia from just test so who knows the trensomnia could drive me crazy. Had nightsweats too come to think of it. My wife was incredibly mad she thought i pissed the bed the first time it happened then i had to sleep on beach towels after that. It was worth it though. Changes in my physique that i never thought id see. Only thing that sucked is i didnt have ny pft set up properly. Just had hcg 5000 iu +nolvadex + over the counter test booster from walmart. I know much better now after doing more research and found these better forums here! Perfect pct all the way or no point in doing a cycle.

Still welcoming any input.

One of the best compounds you can take to prevent tren related side effects is cardarine -> https://www.evolutionary.org/trenbolone-cardarine-gw-and-cardio-side-effects

I recommend everyone include cardarine into a tren cycle.
 
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