Test/EQ Recomp Cycle Log

[MastCarr93]

Hey guys, I'm starting a log for my third cycle and first longer cycle and more serious cycle. These are ProForm oils.

Wks 1-16: Test E - 600mg/wk
Wks 1-16: EQ -600mg/wk
Wks 14-19: Winstrol 50mg/day
Wks 20-24: Nolvadex40/20/20/20
Arimidex throughout the cycle
Considering adding HCG Wks 14-19

The Physique Goal: My goal is to do a big recomp with the mentality of "slow and steady wins the race." I'm taking my time, focusing on consistency, with smart training, dieting, and supplementation. I have some fat to lose and plenty of muscle to gain
The Diet: Following a low carb diet eating within my means throughout the week and eating a surplus on Sunday. With the surplus I'm still aiming to keep it clean and without an overabundance of carbs.
The Routine: I'm going to doing high volume full body workouts 3x weekly. I feel I make the best gains with this style of training

Lastly I'd like to talk about my strength goals:
Right now I'm dealing with average numbers and an average body. I'm working with typical starting intermediate numbers and am looking to move around some more impressive weights. I'm going to state upfront that my bench press and overhead press are low because of a rotator cuff injury taken early on in my lifting career. I was just recently able to start Military Pressing again.

All lifts are beltless and for REPS, not MAXES.

Highbar Squat
S: 315 x10
G: 365

RDL
S: 275 x8
G: 315

Conventional Deadlift
S: 315x6
G: 365

Flat Bench
S: 185 x8
G: 225

Incline Bench
S: 165x8
G: 185-205

Military Press
S: 105 x8
G: 135

Upright Row
S: 115 x8
G: 135

Barbell Row
S: 225x6 (on a good day)
G: 275

 

[gypsy469]

I don't think you are giving your muscles time to repair with the full body workout x3 per week. I could be wrong, but I like to work one body part or 2 hard one time per week. Like today we did legs and shoulders. It will be a week before they are worked again. also, with that type of workout, I would be totally exhausted by close to the end of the workout, and the parts being worked last would suffer and the ones worked first would benefit the most? I guess you could swap that though each visit to the gym. Other than that looks good to me.
Good luck keep us posted.

 

[MastCarr93]

I don't think you are giving your muscles time to repair with the full body workout x3 per week. I could be wrong, but I like to work one body part or 2 hard one time per week. Like today we did legs and shoulders. It will be a week before they are worked again. also, with that type of workout, I would be totally exhausted by close to the end of the workout, and the parts being worked last would suffer and the ones worked first would benefit the most? I guess you could swap that though each visit to the gym. Other than that looks good to me.
Good luck keep us posted.

they thanks for the tips. I've tried a bunch of different routines since I've been training (which was a downfall for me). I just find I over train easily and the full-body workouts FOR ME have given the best results and best recovery as well as the biggest gains. It is old school and they are require lots of training stamina and they certainly aint everyones cup of tea lol.

I'll post some full workouts once I really get deeper into this cycle but the biggest priority for me is my torso. I almost feel like Tom Platz right now with huge legs and a torso that doesnt quite match them (at least in his early days lol). My legs and squat strength just seem to progress no matter what and I prioritized them a great deal early on. So I squat and do hamstring and calve work at the end of the workout.

 

[your123man]

Id run the winny 6-8 weeks. I see what youre trying to do. For me, once eq is in, cutting or recomp is out the fucking window. Its bulk time with the appitite it gives me.

If you can control your appitite, dont be afraid to bump the eq to 800-900 after 8w

 

[MastCarr93]

6 weeks is the plan with winny. I was consider running EQ at 800 but since this is the first time running it I figured I'd see what 600 does. I suppose I could always up the dose if I'm not satisfied. 600mg of test alone makes my appetite crazy as it is so I'm prepared for that. I don't really see myself going keto the whole time. But...I figure I would try to eliminate some unwanted fat while I can and I have dropped 14 pounds in anticipation of this cycle. I was 199lbs smooth as hell in my profile picture

 

[MastCarr93]

Starting Picture 5'9 @ 185lbs

 

[your123man]

Hum... did you start already? Id drop at least 12lbs before starting without tren in the lineup.

Im a little more... reckless when i run my own gear. Its nice having a coach to hold me back.

If i were you starting TODAY

300 test prop/350 tren ace weekly and 50mg winny ed for 8 weeks on a very aggressive cut. Daily cardio.

then roll into what youre planning, removing the winny at the end and MAYBE closing with drol. Yes its a long run, but your bf is quite high. Those estro issues will hinder a lot for you man

 

[MastCarr93]

About a month ago @ 199.

 

[MastCarr93]

Hum... did you start already? Id drop at least 12lbs before starting without tren in the lineup.

Im a little more... reckless when i run my own gear. Its nice having a coach to hold me back.

If i were you starting TODAY

300 test prop/350 tren ace weekly and 50mg winny ed for 8 weeks on a very aggressive cut. Daily cardio.

then roll into what youre planning, removing the winny at the end and MAYBE closing with drol. Yes its a long run, but your bf is quite high. Those estro issues will hinder a lot for you man

Yeah I pinned Friday. Your right about my BF%....sigh. I just don't feel I'm ready for tren and I don't think I would handle it very well at this point. Right now I have to be confident in my decision and see the plan through. I'm optimistic that I can make very positive changes over these five months

I do have a good friend mentoring me, but he's not a coach by any means. He has relayed his experiences with EQ and say's he recomped well on it.

I'm not 100% sure in my decision with winstrol. I have some nagging joint issues already and I just don't know how I'll respond to it, but that worries me. I can tell you that my last short run of masteron dried them out pretty bad. I do suspect this will end up being more of a lean bulk in the end so Anadrol might be a good option with the strength goals I have. My idea with finishing with the orals is to "harden up" to further help retain the gains while getting some extra strength towards the end.

 

[MastCarr93]

Hum... did you start already? Id drop at least 12lbs before starting without tren in the lineup.

Im a little more... reckless when i run my own gear. Its nice having a coach to hold me back.

If i were you starting TODAY

300 test prop/350 tren ace weekly and 50mg winny ed for 8 weeks on a very aggressive cut. Daily cardio.

then roll into what youre planning, removing the winny at the end and MAYBE closing with drol. Yes its a long run, but your bf is quite high. Those estro issues will hinder a lot for you man

Yeah I pinned Friday. Your right about my BF%....sigh. I just don't feel I'm ready for tren and I don't think I would handle it very well at this point. Right now I have to be confident in my decision and see the plan through. I'm optimistic that I can make very positive changes over these five months

I do have a good friend mentoring me, but he's not a coach by any means. He has relayed his experiences with EQ and say's he recomped well on it.

I'm not 100% sure in my decision with winstrol. I have some nagging joint issues already and I just don't know how I'll respond to it, but that worries me. I can tell you that on my last short run with Masteron it dried the joints out pretty bad. I do suspect this will end up being more of a lean bulk in the end so Anadrol might be a good option with the strength goals I have. My idea with finishing with the orals is to "harden up" to further help retain the gains while getting some extra strength towards the end.

 

[your123man]

I feel ya. You can cut on ANYTHING, its just that some stuff makes it easier than others. Id focus on getting your bf down for the first 8w. Then eq will be nice and settled and pop out of that with upping carbs for the last 8w. That bf is really gonna mess with what you think youre putting on. Subbed btw, keep us posted!

 

[MastCarr93]

What I have so far

 

[MastCarr93]

I feel ya. You can cut on ANYTHING, its just that some stuff makes it easier than others. Id focus on getting your bf down for the first 8w. Then eq will be nice and settled and pop out of that with upping carbs for the last 8w. That bf is really gonna mess with what you think youre putting on. Subbed btw, keep us posted!

will do man! thanks for the advice!

 

[genomex]

Next time you plan to do a recomp cycle, you should check out using Primo if you have the money for it. Steady SOLID gains, gentle, and used while cutting by many people. Even while in a state of calorie deficit, muscle can still gained!

If your goal is recomp, I don't really understand why you're so concerned about the weight you can lift. I'd be more concerned with just properly stimulating the muscle when in the gym. In a perfect world the 2 could be done simultaneously... But every time I see someone become concerned about the weight they lift, they pretty much always end up sacrifice form (and actually stimulating their muscle fibers) for throwing up as much weight as possible, as quick as possible. If you can truly do both at once, you have excellent self control. But why not worry about your physique first and then work on improving your lifts?

Keep us all up to date how this turns out man.

 

[MastCarr93]

Next time you plan to do a recomp cycle, you should check out using Primo if you have the money for it. Steady SOLID gains, gentle, and used while cutting by many people. Even while in a state of calorie deficit, muscle can still gained!

If your goal is recomp, I don't really understand why you're so concerned about the weight you can lift. I'd be more concerned with just properly stimulating the muscle when in the gym. In a perfect world the 2 could be done simultaneously... But every time I see someone become concerned about the weight they lift, they pretty much always end up sacrifice form (and actually stimulating their muscle fibers) for throwing up as much weight as possible, as quick as possible. If you can truly do both at once, you have excellent self control. But why not worry about your physique first and then work on improving your lifts?

Keep us all up to date how this turns out man.

primo is what i wanted to use but it was just far over buget

ive made that mistake in my training before resulting in a shoulder injury. I feel my strength goals are reasonable for a longer cycle like this, but definitely will not be sacrificed for form while trying to better my mind muscle connection. I'll be working out mostly in the 8-12 rep range with the exception of my prime movers for chest and back. these will be done for 6-8 reps (bench, rows, chins, dead lift)

 

[MastCarr93]

2nd pin today. been catching up on some reading

 

[MastCarr93]

Two Week Update:

Not really noticing much of anything at this point other than an increase in libido and hunger. My weight is pretty steady at 186 and i'll really need to drop below 2000 calories to break that barrier, or start doing cardio. I did in fact do this earlier this week and I just don't know how long I'll maintain that kind of deficit especially with the way my hunger is. I got pissed this week and went off the diet and basically just binged. Felt horrible.

At this point I feel like it would improbably be in my best interest to just go back to maintenance of 2600 GOOD calories @ 5 meal day. I have had problems binge eating in the past and I don't want to go back down that road. I really just want to be healthy and build my physique. I don't have anyone to impress but myself with a set of six pack abs.

As far as my training I'm not going to be able to use the full body workouts I wanted to primarily because of time constraints. I am working full time and also about to start classes at the local college. What I'm going to do is shorten my workouts, but seriously up the intensity. I'm going to using a lot of Mentzer's principals of pre-exhaust, supersets, rest pause, and using very strict form. Most exercises will be done to absolute failure.

Monday; Thursday
Chest, Shoulders, & Triceps

Tuesday; Friday
Legs, Back, Biceps

 

[your123man]

If you can, add in 5 day a week cardio. I will always up cardio as opposed to lower calories when i can. Especially on eq. Increased hunger AND increased rbc/endurance. Makes for an ideal heavy hiit environment

 

[MastCarr93]

Isn't cardio bad when trying to gain muscle? I do like to take walks and have a nice neighborhood to walk in. I also have a 44lb weight vest that I could eventually start walking with (not starting with the whole 44lbs obviously)

Basically in my diet I'm avoiding carbs and eating lots of meat, eggs, vegetables, and whey protein mixed with just enough organic half&half to make a pudding.

 

[your123man]

Lol no. That bro science theory is shit. You are on STEROIDS, youre anabolic.

Cardio increases your cardiovascular health, increases your metabolism, increases your endurance, the list goes on. Its ONLY beneficial.

The tide is turning quickly on the idea that cardio is MORE important in the off season, when youre growing, than it is in season