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Test level and TRT

Im 41, been toying with TRT for a few years, never done and steds or trt, only HGH

My natural test level are currently 827 which is good for my age etc, my free is quite low though, 12.3, but I think this is down to my SHBG being high at 589.

I do feel low T a bit, sex drive always great, erections not always rock, but I assume thats cause of the high SHBG?

A mate said get on TRT, I think I need to work on getting my SHBG down and free test up.

Currently not been working out due to personal matters, but I normal train 1-2x a day, diet is pretty good, meal prep when training.

Any suggestions? I guess avoid TRT for now as its gonna ruin my natural level
 
Im 41, been toying with TRT for a few years, never done and steds or trt, only HGH

My natural test level are currently 827 which is good for my age etc, my free is quite low though, 12.3, but I think this is down to my SHBG being high at 589.

I do feel low T a bit, sex drive always great, erections not always rock, but I assume thats cause of the high SHBG?

A mate said get on TRT, I think I need to work on getting my SHBG down and free test up.

Currently not been working out due to personal matters, but I normal train 1-2x a day, diet is pretty good, meal prep when training.

Any suggestions? I guess avoid TRT for now as its gonna ruin my natural level
Also my GH os low, 20, I am think the use of HGH and coming off of it has lowered my natural HGH level, which low HGH apparently increases SHBG. Im on a new cycle of HGH this week
@davetherave checking your old posts, welcome back to the EVO family bro :)

If you want to get some gains and get things back in action, starting a sports TRT cycle with some hgh and likely a primobolan base would be helpful but depending on your full situation.
its hard to say what you need to do at this point unless we know more about you, makes sense right?
telling you to use this x steroid or that x steroid is just guessing
so please start off by sharing with us in a NEW thread your LOG journal diary, with your diet training lifestyle and history so we can see your situation and guide you into a FULL cycle

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Pre-Cycle Diet Training Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here is a good template on a workout log to follow:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/workout-log-template.99224/

here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
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no man forget what your mate said.

if you want to get shbg down and free test higher you can either go the natural test booster route or take proviron

if you go on TRT you will shut down yourself for nothing
 
This is where people should really add Proviron or mast.. sometimes they can even run a very very very low dose winny Just for its off label properties with lowering the SHBG level, but the other two mentioned prior are the go-to compounds..

PSL sells a TRT blend, that is dosed at 200 and 200 with both testosterone and mast for this particular reason..

For years I have been advocating the very important of running Proviron or mast with test just for this reason so you can hijack your testosterone, and get the most out of it, by lowering your SHBG, this in return will also lower your estrogen..

This is what I call hijack in your testosterone..
 
Heres some of my recent bloods on TRT with Test and mast..

Blood work pulled on EP Test Cyp, Mast E & Proviron, results could have been better "allow me to reword that" - They could have been more accurate had I pulled bloods 4-5 days out for a more ideal reading and better understanding for myself.
Bloods were pulled a bit to close to my pinning day due to work/appointments, availability and scheduling.
Pinned Nov 29th Wednesday late day, pulled bloods Dec 1st Friday first thing in the AM fasted.

Despite that I'm very delighted with the numbers and how I feel.
Test cyp 200mg E6D
Mast E 200mg E6D
Proviron 50mg ED (AM) "Missed a bit of doses in Nov when I was sick and just being distracted with other events,
I felt a major decrease in sense of well being due to this. It immediately improved upon continuation of 50mgs again, overall that wasn't detrimental to my blood serums at all or even in the slightest degree"


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Here is some older bloods I pulled as well, just an other example...

Blood work below from personal study on 200mg Pharma script Testosterone Cypionate with Masteron (Drostanolone) and Proviron (Mesterolone)

As many of you know I blast & cruise, more blasting than cruising with switch hitting.. I had blood work that was expected to be pulled from my Doc, he actually forgot and I had to remind him, it worked out well because I wanted to come off for a bit and do a little small cruise (6 weeks'ish) and give my CNS a moment to recoup as well as giving my REC's a brake..

I figured this would also be a great opportunity to take advantage of Masteron and Proviron used in conjunction with my TRT.. For the following reasons to keep libido strong, depression at a low at the same time optimizing the most out of my TRT dosage..

The addition with Proviron & Masteron is that it's a useful tool for the TRT user and specifically for those that cruise on low "T" doses who wish to inhibit the conversion of T to estrogen. By inhibiting the aromatase enzyme, Masteron would be in effect blocking the conversion of free testosterone to estrogen by the aromatisation pathway Yielding great levels of Free usable test. This would not only serve to marginally increase the amounts of active free testosterone in circulation (thus giving a greater effect of the testosterone during a TRT treatment or cruise).. With this said, I was just using 200mgs Script test-cyp E7D (with script adex .5 E3D) and Masteron-200 E7D and proviron at 50mg ED this ultimately created a match made in heaven, a complimentary duo!

Bloods were pulled 3 days after last pin and I was fasted and the panel was a sensitive essay (I wanted to see if my BS levels would effect estrogen total serum by way of estrone elevation due to fasting).. I have BS issues along with a family history of diabetes, the serum levels were extremely high and I doubt there was cross-reactivity of anything else due to the fact that E2 was low.. Being in a fasted state seems to be the culprit..

Further more, people tend to put blood serum numbers in a standard range of expectancy.. I've always advocated that I'm a slow/low metabolizer, even at 200mg which is the high end of TRT treatment and I barely scraped the high end.. It proves that this truly is NOT a one size fits all..

My closing comments : Libido was great, appetite was strong and I have no complaints, my sense of well-being was on point..The extreme low SHBG levels IMO are directly associated with the mast/prov, thus the result of low estro and higher free T..This can explain why I continued to feel great even after lowering my T dosage significantly..

I will continually use Mast and/or Proviron with every cruise I do!

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There's an Easter egg here that's hidden inside of all of this, it's something I don't want people to miss.

This goes to prove that you really don't need much testosterone.. People don't need to chase a high total serum number in order to feel confident and reassured, when people are expecting numbers in or around the 3k + range and they believe that this is where you need to be in order to make the most progress, this is simply false and misleading.

Stop chasing total serums and focus on free test levels.. People can have 3000 of bound test and that doesn't mean anything, in fact that testosterone is useless if your FREE T ratios are low..
Users could incorporate compounds that are complementary with freeing up bound testosterone into more bioavailable testosterone such as Proviron (Mesterolone) - Masteron (Drostanolone) or Winstrol (Stanozolol)

Think of the example of speakers with an amplifier. Somebody could have 3000 watts being pushed into a set of speakers, yet clarity and distortion is a huge factor hindering quality with actually just sounding noisy. Compared to someone that has 500 watts of real quality true wattage with other components added for a smoother current and flow, better power source signaling while it sounds and out performance the counter-part that was sitting at 3000 watts. The quality option with purity vs. total raw out-put added life to the sound, do the same for the signaling within your body.

The conclusion here is to free up your bound testosterone levels, increase FREE T and let all of the other compounds be the workhorse in your cycles or blast or simply your TRT protocol..

Know how to optimize your testosterone levels so they can work best for you.. It's not about quantity but rather quality..
I would rather have several hundred work horses, compared to 3000 useless horses..
 
And MORE I pulled..

I want to stress the very importance of passing on info and sharing with others or making suggestions to help others.
If I'm not certain on something, or if it's outside of my own understanding, I won't offer suggestions or my opinion on matters and I'll tag someone that's qualified to assist.
I just so happen to have been through this before myself, aside from clinical data and other anecdotes that we may read.
Here is my bloods that I pulled just a few months ago, after a nasty battle with Covid, completely derailing my progress and blast at the end of last year.
I wanted to wait until my system cleared a bit from being sick and the hormones cleared as well, so the results weren't skewed or misrepresented.

This is the result of just 200mg Test cyp (trt script) once a week and same for MastE 200mg and some proviron ED, with minimal AI's ( In fact I was skipping long durations without taking any AI's).
I had a schedule conflict and pulled bloods the day after injection, had no choice.

Free Test is clearly high, and SHBG is on the low end, and my estro is slightly high because of the lack of my AI, but I like my estro in those ranges.
It's a healthily balance for me. Lipid profile was great and so was the rest of my numbers.
Thyroid levels were perfect as well..

Mast/proviron with test is simply amazing.. You don't need much of either..

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Mast and proviron are multipurpose and adaptable to just about any protocol as an all around clever and flexible benefactor. Truly!

Mast or proviron should/could be a requirement much like how people promote the idea being supper necessary to run AI's with each cycle/blast (which I agree with, dose depending).
When running proviron or mast in tandem with test and/or TRT especially for us older lions, I can't even begin to explain the complimentary effects and how its "equivalent to adding a turbo or twin turbo to someone's engine block".
The beauty is, users don't need much if the price of mast or proviron concerns them, 200mgs a week is plenty or mast, even 100-150mg with matstE, or 50-75mgs of PROVIRON..

People spend double that amount on protein powder and other sups, even triple.. Yet when its come to our sense of well being people over look proviron. I run it just about all year, and it will not effect lipids or shut you down. (I'm on TRT)
People need to get the idea that mast is a hardening drug, finishing agent, best used when lean out of there heads ( within reason tho), all of that applies to a complete different use and purpose.
 
wow vision definitely giving you an educational session
can we get a log journal from you from here?
 
you don't need to RT the blood work doesn't lie
I would to people on that
 
You would benefit greatly from using proviron
and it's safe and won't shut you down
 
we definitely need to see a log journal from you
can be a lot of different things going on
 
absolutely no reason to do trt with your levels over 800
it's not gonna help your situation
 
Bros lots of things could be happening here
it's good you got blood work but we definitely need a log and to take things from there
 
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