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Your not wrong there mate. I just don't understand how all this is happening if my estrogen isn't that bad. The nips, and also the fact that I'm just worn down. I just feel knackered, and I would have thought it'd be the opposite.
I wouldn't stop the testosterone completely.
If you do that you will really run into problems.
I could of written that clearer
What I mean is come down to 250mg.
That's probably a good idea. Another thing I would suggest is running either Primo or Masteron with your test.I could have written that clearer
I hear you there. For now I just want to see if I can get level on 250mg, rather than worrie too much about this cycle and results. My test may even stay high enough that it could still be considered a cycle, considering I'm coming from being natty. I was under the impression that 3000 total free test was a good number anyway? Once I'm level and I've worked out my trt dose, I can put a bit more thought into the next one. Most likely running less estrogenic compounds, and yeah mast or primo will probably make it in there.
It sounds like you have a good plan. Just stick with it and try and worry a little less and things will work out. Just don't add more AI as u lower your test dose.
Thanks mate, appreciate it. I certainly won't. I think the 6.25 twice weekly will do. That was probably the right call in the first place. I just went with a higher dose because I can't get my head around these nips, and I'm terrified of gyno
Just reposting bloods. I had to delete the first pics.Bloods are in guys. Please keep in mind,
Proviron and ai was stopped for 5 days before getting these done.
Done on the 8th.
Today was a much better day than yesterday. Kinda confirms for me I think that I was taking to much ai. Was a pretty shit work out though. Just got through it where as I'm somebody that genuinely loves the gym. It's the best part of my day. We all have off days, so I'll just chalk it up as that and see how tomorrow goes. Maybe I ate too much before hand, and it just bogged me down
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Diet
Breakfast: shake
10:00 - 1:00: chipped away at one of those chicken meals. They are alot.
2:30: half a chicken meal, and a shake. Here is where my problem may lie, as this was right before training.
7:00: forcing a whole chicken meal. Looks like I've got the day off tomorrow, so I'm certainly going to be doing some cooking, and getting a little inventive because at the moment it tastes like shit
Training
Lat pull down, not quite as wide as most due to shoulder - 77 - 66kg, 4 sets 10-12 reps
Tbar row machine - 4 sets 40kg
Cable row dd handle - 4 sets, 66 - 59kg
Shrugs Smith machine - 4 sets 80kg
Rear delts on pec deck - 4 sets 25 - 20kg (this machine is different. A little weight is alot.)
Dumbell curls, lent back on bench using both arms, fairly strict form here - 15kg - 12.5kg 3 sets 10-12 reps
Hammer curls - 15kg - 12.5kg 3 sets 12-10 reps
Barbell curls - 30 - 20kg
♂Diet
Breakfast: shake
10:00 - 1:00: chipped away at one of those chicken meals. They are alot.
2:30: half a chicken meal, and a shake. Here is where my problem may lie, as this was right before training.
7:00: forcing a whole chicken meal. Looks like I've got the day off tomorrow, so I'm certainly going to be doing some cooking, and getting a little inventive because at the moment it tastes like shit
Training
Lat pull down, not quite as wide as most due to shoulder - 77 - 66kg, 4 sets 10-12 reps
Tbar row machine - 4 sets 40kg
Cable row dd handle - 4 sets, 66 - 59kg
Shrugs Smith machine - 4 sets 80kg
Rear delts on pec deck - 4 sets 25 - 20kg (this machine is different. A little weight is alot.)
Dumbell curls, lent back on bench using both arms, fairly strict form here - 15kg - 12.5kg 3 sets 10-12 reps
Hammer curls - 15kg - 12.5kg 3 sets 12-10 reps
Barbell curls - 30 - 20kg
Oh and I fucked upnthe pictures again
so reposting here is all. Can tell how much its all knocked me about hey.Attachments
@chop09333 your estrogen e2 is way too high, you need to add an Ai asap aromasin 10mgs edOh and I fucked upnthe pictures again
what dose of test you doing now?
and you need more organ liver support like n2guard, your bloods look off
too much ai? based on your bloods your estrogen way to high, are you sure we are talking about the same thing here?Today was a much better day than yesterday. Kinda confirms for me I think that I was taking to much ai. Was a pretty shit work out though. Just got through it where as I'm somebody that genuinely loves the gym. It's the best part of my day. We all have off days, so I'll just chalk it up as that and see how tomorrow goes. Maybe I ate too much before hand, and it just bogged me down
Diet
Breakfast: shake
10:00 - 1:00: chipped away at one of those chicken meals. They are alot.
2:30: half a chicken meal, and a shake. Here is where my problem may lie, as this was right before training.
7:00: forcing a whole chicken meal. Looks like I've got the day off tomorrow, so I'm certainly going to be doing some cooking, and getting a little inventive because at the moment it tastes like shit
Training
Lat pull down, not quite as wide as most due to shoulder - 77 - 66kg, 4 sets 10-12 reps
Tbar row machine - 4 sets 40kg
Cable row dd handle - 4 sets, 66 - 59kg
Shrugs Smith machine - 4 sets 80kg
Rear delts on pec deck - 4 sets 25 - 20kg (this machine is different. A little weight is alot.)
Dumbell curls, lent back on bench using both arms, fairly strict form here - 15kg - 12.5kg 3 sets 10-12 reps
Hammer curls - 15kg - 12.5kg 3 sets 12-10 reps
Barbell curls - 30 - 20kg
diet I like the diet, but whole chicken meal? like what did you have there? like breast or what? details please
training sets I get how about reps? no 15 rep sets?
cardio?
So I've been taking 12.5 eod aromasin. And it's rolled me twice now. These bloods were taken 5 days with no ai. I think that might be why it was too high there. I'm pretty certain 12.5 eod was too much. I'll most likely be cutting the dose back to 250mg test tomorrow.@chop09333 your estrogen e2 is way too high, you need to add an Ai asap aromasin 10mgs ed
what dose of test you doing now?
and you need more organ liver support like n2guard, your bloods look off
too much ai? based on your bloods your estrogen way to high, are you sure we are talking about the same thing here?
diet I like the diet, but whole chicken meal? like what did you have there? like breast or what? details please
training sets I get how about reps? no 15 rep sets?
cardio?
What number e2 should I be going for? Is within the reference range okay?
Those reps are just what I've always done man. Do you think I should be shooting for 15 reps?
before we talk aromasin more
do you have comparison bloods?
Npcclassicphysique champ easiest way to answer your question mate. Thanks for the advice. Appreciate it.Training
Lat pull down, not quite as wide as most due to shoulder - 77 - 66kg, 4 sets 10-12 reps
Tbar row machine - 4 sets
Cable row dd handle - 4 sets, 66 - 59kg
Shrugs Smith machine - 4 sets 80kg
Rear delts on pec deck - 4 sets 25 - 20kg (this machine is different. A little weight is alot.)
Standing single arm bicep cable curls - 3 sets 18 - 12 kg
Cable hammer curls 8 reps into another 8 utilising rear delts - 3 sets
Barbell curls - 30 - 20kg
Diet was similar to the day before, maybe a little better, but more to the point I've done some meal prep, so tomorrow will be a different storyI can't go as plain as some of you, but I think what I've done is ok. Let me know if I've done anything I really shouldn't have.
I haven't got any macros to give you guys but,
3kg of lean mince, 3 cups of rice and 2 cups of frozen veggies went into the beef meals in the pics. A dash of curry powder, and dash of flour to thicken.
1.5kg of chicken breast, 1.5 cups of rice, and 2 cups of veggies went into the 4 chicken meals. And these two sachets in the pics. My mum gave them to my wife a while back when she was doing keto.
Nips are still pretty spicy. Any insite on when the 40mg nolva ed will show its work would be appreciated. Thanks everyone.
I don't no. These were taken on the 8th. I was planning on cutting test in half, and probably 6.25 aromasin twice weekly, alongside nolva for my situation, then get bloods in a few weeks. This was suggested to me already, but I stuck with more aromasin and it's fucked me up a couple of times. What do make of this plan?
if you have no comparison its likely your estrogen was always high, e2 expression is different from person to person
i would stay 6.25mgs mon/wed/fri to start
and you are pinning how much test/week?
The last 5 weeks, it's been 500, once per week, but I plan on halfing it. It's not agreeing with me, and I'm having way to many problems. I just want to get all the problem sorted, before reassessing, and going again, maybe with different compounds. Yeah 6.25 eod may be the sweet spot. I'll try that for now. I'm certain I know what low e2 feels like now. It really messes me up, and always comes after too much aromasin.
that is enough aromasin to do the trick, i bet if you tested again in 3 weeks they would be good
I think it was too much myself. It certainly did the trick
what do you make of 6.25 eod going forward. I'm open to gauging different opinions on it
go with 250mgs testosterone and start 6.25mgs aromasin to level it out to start off
waiting on training updates @chop09333
