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It takes time once you make changes to dosing for things to change/level out. It could take weeks for you to really notice anything so be patient.
@chop09333 volume is good, but push it to 15 reps on some tbars in future
@chop09333 takes time to get rid of gyno I wouldn't panic, lets get 60mgs of nolvadex in there for 3 weeks first, dont worry it will level out
i would not jump off the cycle, stay and do anti gyno
its mental give it time, it will get better @chop09333
Great job man
AiOh and I fucked upnthe pictures againso reposting here is all. Can tell how much its all knocked me about hey.
500mg of test for your first cycle is absurd. I don't understand why everyone thinks that 500mg is the magic number, ESPECIALLY for your first cycle
As requested I'm going to restart my log now I'm cruising 150 test c. I'm sure it's not exactly gonna be exciting, but oh well.
I was pinning 0.5 twice weekly and sneaking a ml here and there anyway. Tomorrow will be a week since pinning and I'll be pinning the 150. I was Taking 12.5 aromasin ed which kept my e2 under 100 somewhere. Not too sure exactly because they don't give a reading under 100 on a standard test. Still had spicy nips the whole cycle though. If I took 25mg it would calm them a little, but after a few days I would get creaky elbows. In my opinion, the huge e2 flare up at the start kicked it off and it never really calmed down. In the end I've decided to run 20mg tamoxifen ed which has knocked it on the head. I plan to keep running it for a while to ensure its put to rest. I'm still yaking 12.5 aromasin ed aswell, but I'll wean that off as my test levels drop.
I ended up hitting 93-94kg, up from 83kg, however over the last week I've changed my diet, and I'm down to more like 91, and looking alot more defined. I feel small, but I know I'm doing the right thing
. I've also got my missus onto some meal prep. More moderate serves of chicken and lean beef and rice, and I'm going longer between meals.
I'll put today's trading in here too.
Dd cable row: 66kg - 20reps, 73kg - 15reps, 77kg 12reps, 66 kg 12reps
Lat pull down: 73kg 12 reps, 66kg 12reps, 66kg, 12 reps, 59kg, 12reps (12 reps seems rather generic here, but I was feeling the low carbs and cheating the last reps, so it was everything I had.)
Tbar row machine: 40kg 4 sets again, two sets were 15 reps the other two 12 reps, depending on rest time.
Smith machine shrugs: 4 sets 70kg, all between 15-20 reps.
Reverse machine flys: 20kg, 4 sets, 15, 12, 12, 20, due to rest time again
Behind back cable curls, 12.5kg 12 reps, next three were 10kg 12 reps
Cable hammer curls reasonably strict into cheat reps that I find hits rear delts a bit and finishes off biceps: 21kg, 4 sets. These are all around ten strict reps and then 10 cheat reps.
20 mins cardio on the bike where you use arms aswell. Unsure in the terminology there, because it's the first time I've ever done cardio thought I was gonna have a heart attack.
I was pinning 0.5 twice weekly and sneaking a ml here and there anyway. Tomorrow will be a week since pinning and I'll be pinning the 150. I was Taking 12.5 aromasin ed which kept my e2 under 100 somewhere. Not too sure exactly because they don't give a reading under 100 on a standard test. Still had spicy nips the whole cycle though. If I took 25mg it would calm them a little, but after a few days I would get creaky elbows. In my opinion, the huge e2 flare up at the start kicked it off and it never really calmed down. In the end I've decided to run 20mg tamoxifen ed which has knocked it on the head. I plan to keep running it for a while to ensure its put to rest. I'm still yaking 12.5 aromasin ed aswell, but I'll wean that off as my test levels drop.
I ended up hitting 93-94kg, up from 83kg, however over the last week I've changed my diet, and I'm down to more like 91, and looking alot more defined. I feel small, but I know I'm doing the right thing
. I've also got my missus onto some meal prep. More moderate serves of chicken and lean beef and rice, and I'm going longer between meals. I'll put today's trading in here too.
Dd cable row: 66kg - 20reps, 73kg - 15reps, 77kg 12reps, 66 kg 12reps
Lat pull down: 73kg 12 reps, 66kg 12reps, 66kg, 12 reps, 59kg, 12reps (12 reps seems rather generic here, but I was feeling the low carbs and cheating the last reps, so it was everything I had.)
Tbar row machine: 40kg 4 sets again, two sets were 15 reps the other two 12 reps, depending on rest time.
Smith machine shrugs: 4 sets 70kg, all between 15-20 reps.
Reverse machine flys: 20kg, 4 sets, 15, 12, 12, 20, due to rest time again
Behind back cable curls, 12.5kg 12 reps, next three were 10kg 12 reps
Cable hammer curls reasonably strict into cheat reps that I find hits rear delts a bit and finishes off biceps: 21kg, 4 sets. These are all around ten strict reps and then 10 cheat reps.
20 mins cardio on the bike where you use arms aswell. Unsure in the terminology there, because it's the first time I've ever done cardio
thought I was gonna have a heart attack.
@chop09333 great to see you update the EVO family manAs requested I'm going to restart my log now I'm cruising 150 test c. I'm sure it's not exactly gonna be exciting, but oh well.
I was pinning 0.5 twice weekly and sneaking a ml here and there anyway. Tomorrow will be a week since pinning and I'll be pinning the 150. I was Taking 12.5 aromasin ed which kept my e2 under 100 somewhere. Not too sure exactly because they don't give a reading under 100 on a standard test. Still had spicy nips the whole cycle though. If I took 25mg it would calm them a little, but after a few days I would get creaky elbows. In my opinion, the huge e2 flare up at the start kicked it off and it never really calmed down. In the end I've decided to run 20mg tamoxifen ed which has knocked it on the head. I plan to keep running it for a while to ensure its put to rest. I'm still yaking 12.5 aromasin ed aswell, but I'll wean that off as my test levels drop.
I ended up hitting 93-94kg, up from 83kg, however over the last week I've changed my diet, and I'm down to more like 91, and looking alot more defined. I feel small, but I know I'm doing the right thing
I'll put today's trading in here too.
Dd cable row: 66kg - 20reps, 73kg - 15reps, 77kg 12reps, 66 kg 12reps
Lat pull down: 73kg 12 reps, 66kg 12reps, 66kg, 12 reps, 59kg, 12reps (12 reps seems rather generic here, but I was feeling the low carbs and cheating the last reps, so it was everything I had.)
Tbar row machine: 40kg 4 sets again, two sets were 15 reps the other two 12 reps, depending on rest time.
Smith machine shrugs: 4 sets 70kg, all between 15-20 reps.
Reverse machine flys: 20kg, 4 sets, 15, 12, 12, 20, due to rest time again
Behind back cable curls, 12.5kg 12 reps, next three were 10kg 12 reps
Cable hammer curls reasonably strict into cheat reps that I find hits rear delts a bit and finishes off biceps: 21kg, 4 sets. These are all around ten strict reps and then 10 cheat reps.
20 mins cardio on the bike where you use arms aswell. Unsure in the terminology there, because it's the first time I've ever done cardio
we really missed you I was just back and forth with @AE1079 on your other thread: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/test-mast-cycle.101505/
for @AE1079 no hard feelings just an iron brother EVO family back and forth
On @chop09333 training looks good today, any pull ups? and if you can push up cardio to 30min
You're still taking aromasin as I see, when was your last blood work?
and tamoxifen you taking any?
No pull ups today. Will put them in next time. Will be keen to actually. I haven't done them since before hopping on.@chop09333 great to see you update the EVO family man
I was just back and forth with @AE1079 on your other thread: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/test-mast-cycle.101505/
for @AE1079 no hard feelings just an iron brother EVO family back and forth
On @chop09333 training looks good today, any pull ups? and if you can push up cardio to 30min
You're still taking aromasin as I see, when was your last blood work?
and tamoxifen you taking any?
Yes I am taking 20mg tamoxifen ed split doses. The tamoxifen knocks me around at any more than that, but it's working a treat at that dose for the spicy nips. I'm going to run it for a while to shut down any possible new gyno, because they got tender right at the end.
I haven't had bloods for a few weeks. The bloods I posted on the other thread mirror all the bloods I got done while on cycle. I was watching them like a hawk and dialing in the aromasin dose at first. I found that with 12.5 aromasin eod my e2 was still creeping up til it was out of the reference range, hence I went with 12.5 ed, and that kept it somewhere under 100.
can you post your last blood work, the latest again please @chop09333 because I want to make sure we on the same page, thanks man
can you post your last blood work, the latest again please @chop09333 because I want to make sure we on the same page, thanks man
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@chop09333 yes now I recall these man your estrogen is likely very low
I would go back to 12.5mgs EOD before upping it, considering we have 300mgs masteron you planning and 2 weeks in lets do bloods to see
for now, can you start updating training and diet as you go please
your estrogen is likely very lowI would go back to 12.5mgs EOD before upping it, considering we have 300mgs masteron you planning and 2 weeks in lets do bloods to see
for now, can you start updating training and diet as you go please
I suppose, now that I've halfed my test, halving the aromasin makes sense. I was just pushing it to ensure I kill that tenderness in my nip. I'll be getting bloods done before I start the test and mast blast aswell, to make sure everything's healthy again and I'll post them. Considering how quickly I aromatise, I've found daily better though, so I'll try 6.25 ed.@chop09333 yes now I recall these man
I would go back to 12.5mgs EOD before upping it, considering we have 300mgs masteron you planning and 2 weeks in lets do bloods to see
for now, can you start updating training and diet as you go please
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to kill the tenderness up your tamoxifen, aromasin is not the helper you would need for gyno @chop09333
20mg is working ok man. I know it's commonly argued but I can say first hand tamoxifen has sides. 40mg made me so foggy, and moody that I could hardly complete my day. 20mg knocks me around a little, but nothing I can't put into perspective. And it seems to be enough. A week ago I was all tender to the left of one nip, and now I can't locate the spot
20mgs thats the dose then @chop0933320mg is working ok man. I know it's commonly argued but I can say first hand tamoxifen has sides. 40mg made me so foggy, and moody that I could hardly complete my day. 20mg knocks me around a little, but nothing I can't put into perspective. And it seems to be enough. A week ago I was all tender to the left of one nip, and now I can't locate the spot
Training today was not fun. Really starting to feel the lower carbs, and I'd say more so the lower test.
Leg press, all weights are excluding the machine: 300kg 18reps, 260kg 15 reps, 260kg 15 reps, 260kg 18 reps. This is down from 4 sets, 300kg, 18 reps last week.
Leg extension: 73kg 4 sets of 18. Taking short breaks between sets on the last two. Again took everything I had here. Down 10kg or so aswell.
Prone Leg curls: 3 sets of 12 36kg
Calf's upright Leg press machine 118kg excluding myself and machine.
I'm loving the definition I haven't seen for a while, but I feel weak and small
I suppose it's gotta be done though.
Leg press, all weights are excluding the machine: 300kg 18reps, 260kg 15 reps, 260kg 15 reps, 260kg 18 reps. This is down from 4 sets, 300kg, 18 reps last week.
Leg extension: 73kg 4 sets of 18. Taking short breaks between sets on the last two. Again took everything I had here. Down 10kg or so aswell.
Prone Leg curls: 3 sets of 12 36kg
Calf's upright Leg press machine 118kg excluding myself and machine.
I'm loving the definition I haven't seen for a while, but I feel weak and small
I suppose it's gotta be done though.
