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I would look at lowering. Take some of those high progesterone risks away. Diet change adding more cardio. And find something that makes you relaxed. To start with
It looks like a counterbalance to E2, progesterone increases when E2 is low. @Snayaz your E2 is in a good range 100%, but I think your body is compensating with progesterone increases attempt to create more e2 via ESTRONE (E1, being the precursor for E2).
Adrenal glands produce progesterone, so it could be some overtimulation of adrenals as well in some cases. Tumors can increase production of progesterone in the adrenals too. But not sure if that’s relevant for you.
This is common with EQ and NPP together - chuck in some aromasin and you have a lower E2 > the body will increase progesterone up to create more E2 as it may be needing some
More for general function. I have said this before. The body likes predictability. It wants homeostasis. By using the different combos we use we throw so many things out of whack causing 1. Side effects 2. Hormone adjustments within the body to compensate and find homeostasis 3. Side effects of the adjustments in this case will be changed brain chemistry, total metabolism (especially thyroid) and overall fatigue. Being on the heavy side will cause your body to work overtime, which may point back to the adrenal glands working more then what they should.
A lot of things it can point too, but 100 it has something to do with the cycle your running and the balance the body is trying to obtain as it feels the shifts.
Someone said before to take high dose b6 for a few days just to bring it down but i won’t do nothing till I hit you guys up about it.
Relaxing is hard esp with work/life/kids ect tho I’m getting better with less stress tho.
I was going to lower my dose of aromasin to 6.25mg eod instead of 12.5mg but I wouldn’t have to since e2 is good?
Cardio has gone up and it’s now 6 days a week either fasted or after training.
Diet has changed but increased in cals but won’t go up till I crack over 130kg I’m over 1000g carbs now and it’s not that bad eating all this as I still get a little hungry but I just seperate meals by an extra hour so I eat every 3 hours now.
Sleep has been a little bit of an issue. Always been an issue for me where I can fall asleep easy but getting up to piss 2x a night or randomly waking up and falling back to sleep. Using this supplement “dream” which has helped a bit.
So do
You think I should lower/drop my aromasin? I’m on 12.5mg eod also have primobolan in cycle at 600mg a week.
Ok guys I’ll just throw the log for today in.
I did no fasted cardio today but instead I did treadmill post workout for 20min and 10min on the stairs.
Chest/biceps
1 pec deck
4 sets 50kg/15 70kg/12 90kg/12 120kg/7
(First 3 sets slow and controlled and squeeze pause)
2 incline hammer strength press
3 sets 120kg/15 160kg/12 200kg/7
3 machine flat bench
2 sets 120kg/12 160kg/8
4 panatta standing decline fly/flat hammer grip press
3 sets of this. Not sure if you know what this machine is but it’s awesome for lower chest and right after I do a hammer press super setter.
Biceps
Cable curl warmups
1 hammer strength preacher curl
3 sets 20kg/15 30kg/13 45kg/9
Hammer curls rope
2 sets half stack on machine 30reps then full stack for 20reps (after 13th rep I kept going even if form was a little off but the blood flow and pump was epic)
Laying down cable curls
3 sets 35kg/15 50kg/13 65kg/10 followed by drop set.
I did no fasted cardio today but instead I did treadmill post workout for 20min and 10min on the stairs.
Chest/biceps
1 pec deck
4 sets 50kg/15 70kg/12 90kg/12 120kg/7
(First 3 sets slow and controlled and squeeze pause)
2 incline hammer strength press
3 sets 120kg/15 160kg/12 200kg/7
3 machine flat bench
2 sets 120kg/12 160kg/8
4 panatta standing decline fly/flat hammer grip press
3 sets of this. Not sure if you know what this machine is but it’s awesome for lower chest and right after I do a hammer press super setter.
Biceps
Cable curl warmups
1 hammer strength preacher curl
3 sets 20kg/15 30kg/13 45kg/9
Hammer curls rope
2 sets half stack on machine 30reps then full stack for 20reps (after 13th rep I kept going even if form was a little off but the blood flow and pump was epic)
Laying down cable curls
3 sets 35kg/15 50kg/13 65kg/10 followed by drop set.
Updated diet just extra rice for now but we will be staying on this diet till I can break over 130kg.
Usually I don’t use AI on bulking cycles but this has kept me without water retention which has been good but mentally I feel like I haven’t grown but that’s what we all go thru when we critique and see ourselves in mirror daily and everyone’s just telling me I look like an animal. I have also been wearing oversized tees just cause I don’t wanna look at myself nor let others see me till this cycle is done because I like the oldschool mentality that way.
I was thinking of reducing ai from 12.5mg to 6.25 eod but I’m not sure. Only reason I bring this up is cause someone on here said you want your e2 on the high end of normal but the only problem is I don’t know what the high end is.
I appreciate everyone here and everyone giving advice. @LevButlerov @Pigsy @Npcclassicphysique champ @25homes
Thank you all for helping me and you guys are an asset to this community
I will also like to thank @HybridLabs for his ongoing support too with my cycles. Your gear is the only oil I’ll ever touch as it’s gotten me to where I want and you’re always looking out for me too.
Usually I don’t use AI on bulking cycles but this has kept me without water retention which has been good but mentally I feel like I haven’t grown but that’s what we all go thru when we critique and see ourselves in mirror daily and everyone’s just telling me I look like an animal. I have also been wearing oversized tees just cause I don’t wanna look at myself nor let others see me till this cycle is done because I like the oldschool mentality that way.
I was thinking of reducing ai from 12.5mg to 6.25 eod but I’m not sure. Only reason I bring this up is cause someone on here said you want your e2 on the high end of normal but the only problem is I don’t know what the high end is.
I appreciate everyone here and everyone giving advice. @LevButlerov @Pigsy @Npcclassicphysique champ @25homes
Thank you all for helping me and you guys are an asset to this community
I will also like to thank @HybridLabs for his ongoing support too with my cycles. Your gear is the only oil I’ll ever touch as it’s gotten me to where I want and you’re always looking out for me too.
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EVO family is here for you alwaysUpdated diet just extra rice for now but we will be staying on this diet till I can break over 130kg.
Usually I don’t use AI on bulking cycles but this has kept me without water retention which has been good but mentally I feel like I haven’t grown but that’s what we all go thru when we critique and see ourselves in mirror daily and everyone’s just telling me I look like an animal. I have also been wearing oversized tees just cause I don’t wanna look at myself nor let others see me till this cycle is done because I like the oldschool mentality that way.
I was thinking of reducing ai from 12.5mg to 6.25 eod but I’m not sure. Only reason I bring this up is cause someone on here said you want your e2 on the high end of normal but the only problem is I don’t know what the high end is.
I appreciate everyone here and everyone giving advice. @LevButlerov @Pigsy @Npcclassicphysique champ @25homes
Thank you all for helping me and you guys are an asset to this community
I will also like to thank @HybridLabs for his ongoing support too with my cycles. Your gear is the only oil I’ll ever touch as it’s gotten me to where I want and you’re always looking out for me too.
Just to clarify again here as well, the diet says 1000 carbs, per DAY? or are these multiple meals split
Not sure you want to drop the Ai, what dose you plan to use? @Snayaz testosterone
All the carbs are spread out throughout the day. There is that extra meal of fruit at the end of the day that I posted a while back that I have on training days.EVO family is here for you always
Just to clarify again here as well, the diet says 1000 carbs, per DAY? or are these multiple meals split
Not sure you want to drop the Ai, what dose you plan to use? @Snayaz testosterone
I was thinking of using 6.25mg of aromasin eod instead of 12.5mg eod.
whats your blood sugar levels with 1000 grams of carbs? have your checked
eod 6.25 is fine if we can check your E2 levels
I can post them up tomorro fasted and before/after meal.
I’ll drop the dose and do another blood test for e2 a week or 2 later. I just thought Maby having them in the high end or normal would be more beneficial
I'd be very interested to see your bloods sugar levels fasted and before after meals, would be a good base in the log
On the e2 I would be careful with crashing it, you're a big guy maybe a smaller dose is due. @AE1079 what do you think?
Crashing E2 isn’t the right way to go about things.I'd be very interested to see your bloods sugar levels fasted and before after meals, would be a good base in the log
On the e2 I would be careful with crashing it, you're a big guy maybe a smaller dose is due. @AE1079 what do you think?
You need E2 simply for organ protection, cell function and healthy brain chemistry. Allows better pumps, more IGF1 conversion ect, this is why I think your body is more likely trying to produce more via progesterone.
You crash E2 when you come close to a show, last 2-3 weeks. Not everyone needs it, but thats the only time you can consider doing it.
Naa I wasn’t trying to crash it at all.
I’m looking at letting e2 get a little higher by reducing aromasin dosage.
Usually a little higher e2 gives me better gains.
100% it does
E2 can be heavily leveraged and it’s in a good range, surprised your not using GH bro
Looks to be one incredible cycle!! Will follow
i got hgh I just am not too fussed about using it but I plan on using it this week. Few weeks after all the insulin slow and fast will be introduced too aswel as orals
Throw up some pics bro
I didn’t know this.
Very well explained. Yes, only time to crash e2 close to stage. Rest of the time in a good range for all round health
