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TRT+ Using Primobolan to manage AI?

juddy

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So as the title says, I'm on TRT+ (self managed) and want to use Primo to manage AI.

41YO Male, 87kg, 180cm about 20%BF but it's declining (down from 115kg in June). Back injury in 2011 resulted in severe chronic disabling back pain that still requires pain meds and limits activity.

TRT Stuff: Currently
Test E 250mg/ml200mg
Primo 200mg/ml200mg
Anavar On Work Out Days-25mg
Cialis - Daily5mg
Anastrazol & ExemestaneOn Hand


Med:
Tampantadol (Palexia)50mg
Duloxatine90mg
Ramipril5mg
CBD & THC 1000mg daily1000mg


Ideally I will be cruising with TRT and Primo year round, that is the plan at the moment. But I'm flexible and will follow bloods/sides as needed. I self-manage my TRT for a few reasons, but have had trouble dialling it in, but it's about 125mg per week or less at the moment due to BF I guess this will be close to where I end up after this blast.

In June I started 125mg Sub Q, E3.5D - Felt great until before the start of August. Begun to feel a little depression, poor erection quality and libido decrease but was not stressed until night sweats started. So changed to EOD injections about the start of August and missed one injection a week for a month. This showed a slow decrease in aromatisation, but night sweats stopped after a few days so continued on and added in Primo along with titrating up.

My small blast was going to work up to 300mg Test and 300mg Primo and Anavar on workout days.

But I feel my E2 spiking - however could it be crashing?

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So as the title says, I'm on TRT+ (self managed) and want to use Primo to manage AI.

41YO Male, 87kg, 180cm about 20%BF but it's declining (down from 115kg in June). Back injury in 2011 resulted in severe chronic disabling back pain that still requires pain meds and limits activity.

TRT Stuff: Currently
Test E 250mg/ml200mg
Primo 200mg/ml200mg
Anavar On Work Out Days-25mg
Cialis - Daily5mg
Anastrazol & ExemestaneOn Hand


Med:
Tampantadol (Palexia)50mg
Duloxatine90mg
Ramipril5mg
CBD & THC 1000mg daily1000mg


Ideally I will be cruising with TRT and Primo year round, that is the plan at the moment. But I'm flexible and will follow bloods/sides as needed. I self-manage my TRT for a few reasons, but have had trouble dialling it in, but it's about 125mg per week or less at the moment due to BF I guess this will be close to where I end up after this blast.

In June I started 125mg Sub Q, E3.5D - Felt great until before the start of August. Begun to feel a little depression, poor erection quality and libido decrease but was not stressed until night sweats started. So changed to EOD injections about the start of August and missed one injection a week for a month. This showed a slow decrease in aromatisation, but night sweats stopped after a few days so continued on and added in Primo along with titrating up.

My small blast was going to work up to 300mg Test and 300mg Primo and Anavar on workout days.

But I feel my E2 spiking - however could it be crashing?

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@juddy happy to see you sharing with the EVO family man :) good question. I've split up my answers so we can discuss this in detail, personally I'd love to see you share your log with our family.

I personally have tested primobolan and masteron as estrogen control for clients, and I've done it myself on and off. I think primobolan can be a good anti-estrogen but also can be over the top for some.

Article
In this article, we discuss the studies done on anti-estrogen properties of primobolan:
https://www.evolutionary.org/primobolan#profile

Interesting fact, primobolan was tested by old-school bodybuilders as gynecomastia (gyno) treatment back in the 70s and 80s. As strange as it sounds, it has been medically proven to reduce breast tumors in women (which are mainly estrogen related).

E2 estrogen

But I feel my E2 spiking - however could it be crashing?

Do you have any blood work with this? or this is purely on feeling?

New blast

My small blast was going to work up to 300mg Test and 300mg Primo and Anavar on workout days.
I don't see why you wouldn't do this blast? I say go for it but with ED anavar.

But you should start a cycle LOG for this now while on TRT so we can help you work into the full blast.
In fact the way you feeling might not be just estrogen related, could be diet training sleep and other factors related, there is way more to the way you feel than simple Test<>e2 axis, that would include gut biome.

LOG Journal
So please, share with the EVO family, how?
please start a NEW thread with your current TRT + log journal , share your diet training cardio sleep and history along with some more info like supps and we can guide you into a new blast and guide you into better hormonal levels

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My TRT+ Primoblan cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/
 
@juddy happy to see you sharing with the EVO family man :) good question. I've split up my answers so we can discuss this in detail, personally I'd love to see you share your log with our family.

I personally have tested primobolan and masteron as estrogen control for clients, and I've done it myself on and off. I think primobolan can be a good anti-estrogen but also can be over the top for some.

Article
In this article, we discuss the studies done on anti-estrogen properties of primobolan:
https://www.evolutionary.org/primobolan#profile



E2 estrogen



Do you have any blood work with this? or this is purely on feeling?

New blast


I don't see why you wouldn't do this blast? I say go for it but with ED anavar.

But you should start a cycle LOG for this now while on TRT so we can help you work into the full blast.
In fact the way you feeling might not be just estrogen related, could be diet training sleep and other factors related, there is way more to the way you feel than simple Test<>e2 axis, that would include gut biome.

LOG Journal
So please, share with the EVO family, how?
please start a NEW thread with your current TRT + log journal , share your diet training cardio sleep and history along with some more info like supps and we can guide you into a new blast and guide you into better hormonal levels

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My TRT+ Primoblan cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-recomp-cut-log-2023-2024.96694/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/mobsters-training-diary.84438/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/domestic-supply-bulking-log-25homes-max.97609/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...osterone-deca-primobolan-hgh-cycle-log.97978/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...igas-hgh-and-bpc157-recovery-cycle-log.97594/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...enbolone-cycle-log-let-the-gains-begin.98399/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsy-new-sponsor-ugl-contest-prep-log.96779/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-2023-2024-log.95956/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...stosterone-cardarine-cutting-cycle-log.97281/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidragewife-female-training-log.95769/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/2024-lean-bulking-cycle-log.97986/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-with-deca-durabolin-log.97962/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...bodybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.97210/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/losiol-primobolan-testosterone-log.96581/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roughy-steroid-cycle-and-training.97944/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/fatboy999-2024-cycle-log.97936/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-equipoise-trenbolone-cycle-log.96963/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-trt-log.98284/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-testosterone-cardarine-n2guard-cycle-log.98034/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/training-log-female.90425
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...tosterone-masteron-primobolan-blast-log.98328
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/
Thanks Mate,

I'm toying with the idea of a log, but not sure just yet. Will have a read of a few more, the amount of info is a bit overwhming but I'm doing this blast so sounds like a good time to start.

So the E2 thing, getting bloods tomorrow morning so will know in a week definitivly. I suspect I'm a high aromitiser, so will have ongoing E2 control that id rather do without an AI.

Off to read some more logs now.
 
Thanks Mate,

I'm toying with the idea of a log, but not sure just yet. Will have a read of a few more, the amount of info is a bit overwhming but I'm doing this blast so sounds like a good time to start.

So the E2 thing, getting bloods tomorrow morning so will know in a week definitivly. I suspect I'm a high aromitiser, so will have ongoing E2 control that id rather do without an AI.

Off to read some more logs now.
I really hope you LOG for the EVO family and for yourself, we can truly guide you as a family man :) @juddy I know you guys have those AU rules over there, but here its a no judgement zone, full respect and support to what you do.
 
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