Suspended Ultima Australia - Domestic Australian Source

[Eveflorence]

This is how I see it as a member and outsider looking in and I'm happy to be told otherwise if I'm way off the mark.
I don't think anybody is doubting Rhino's gear, he's a brewer afterall if I'm not mistaken.
People will have bloods done and they will most likely replicate what it is they're taking, just as they would any lab here.

The issue is and has always been, Rhino's claim that these Beligas and Ultima products are pharma, in order to gain a competitive edge over his UGL counterparts here on Evo.

Rhino came to Evo with his own line of ugl gear first, Rhino Labs. I don't think it was very successful and he probably realised how hard it was as a new vendor, so made a very cunning business decision and all of a sudden had a full line of Beligas products that he somehow managed to import through one of the world's toughest customs.

Make of that what you will, but this is why there is so much doubt and people asking for the truth and a bit of transparency.

 

[Liquid Gold Labs]

This is how I see it as a member and outsider looking in and I'm happy to be told otherwise if I'm way off the mark.
I don't think anybody is doubting Rhino's gear, he's a brewer afterall if I'm not mistaken.
People will have bloods done and they will most likely replicate what it is they're taking, just as they would any lab here.

The issue is and has always been, Rhino's claim that these Beligas and Ultima products are pharma, in order to gain a competitive edge over his UGL counterparts here on Evo.

Rhino came to Evo with his own line of ugl gear first, Rhino Labs. I don't think it was very successful and he probably realised how hard it was as a new vendor, so made a very cunning business decision and all of a sudden had a full line of Beligas products that he somehow managed to import through one of the world's toughest customs.

Make of that what you will, but this is why there is so much doubt and people asking for the truth and a bit of transparency.

 

[juddy]

It's rough if your logging for him, but I think if you read the post from @AE1079 it's obviously he's a fraud.

Look we all know the kid from school that was clearly dropped on the head, claimed to be an SAS Ranger Sniper, going on missions over the weekend and can fly a jet... this was Rhino.

Sadly now people are trusting him, you know boxes and lables can be brought so just chew on it for a bit and think about it....

 

[AE1079]

This is how I see it as a member and outsider looking in and I'm happy to be told otherwise if I'm way off the mark.
I don't think anybody is doubting Rhino's gear, he's a brewer afterall if I'm not mistaken.
People will have bloods done and they will most likely replicate what it is they're taking, just as they would any lab here.

The issue is and has always been, Rhino's claim that these Beligas and Ultima products are pharma, in order to gain a competitive edge over his UGL counterparts here on Evo.

Rhino came to Evo with his own line of ugl gear first, Rhino Labs. I don't think it was very successful and he probably realised how hard it was as a new vendor, so made a very cunning business decision and all of a sudden had a full line of Beligas products that he somehow managed to import through one of the world's toughest customs.

Make of that what you will, but this is why there is so much doubt and people asking for the truth and a bit of transparency.

This. Well said bro

 

[Liquid Gold Labs]

It's rough if your logging for him, but I think if you read the post from @AE1079 it's obviously he's a fraud.

Look we all know the kid from school that was clearly dropped on the head, claimed to be an SAS Ranger Sniper, going on missions over the weekend and can fly a jet... this was Rhino.

Sadly now people are trusting him, you know boxes and lables can be brought so just chew on it for a bit and think about it....

Done a fair bit of chewing.... Not liking the taste at all

 

[Limbu]

This is how I see it as a member and outsider looking in and I'm happy to be told otherwise if I'm way off the mark.
I don't think anybody is doubting Rhino's gear, he's a brewer afterall if I'm not mistaken.
People will have bloods done and they will most likely replicate what it is they're taking, just as they would any lab here.

The issue is and has always been, Rhino's claim that these Beligas and Ultima products are pharma, in order to gain a competitive edge over his UGL counterparts here on Evo.

Rhino came to Evo with his own line of ugl gear first, Rhino Labs. I don't think it was very successful and he probably realised how hard it was as a new vendor, so made a very cunning business decision and all of a sudden had a full line of Beligas products that he somehow managed to import through one of the world's toughest customs.

Make of that what you will, but this is why there is so much doubt and people asking for the truth and a bit of transparency.

Replying to this as I am going to defend who I think is a respectable vendor. First of all, note that I am just a customer and not a logger with @RhinoUGL; therefore, I don't have any reason to defend him except the fact that I deem his Beligas products (I haven't tried the Ultima range yet) as high quality and Rhino himself as a great vendor to have personally dealt with.

First of all, correct me if I'm wrong, but Rhino has been claiming 'pharma grade' on the Beligas and Ultima products. Now, obviously, anabolic steroids are illegal in a lot of parts of the world; therefore, legitimate pharmaceutical companies cannot produce a lot of them; otherwise, they would be breaking the law. However, Rhino claims pharma grade, which clearly does not directly mean pharma, but rather the quality, process, and possibly ingredients in these products, are produced up to the standards of pharmaceutical companies, which many international evo users can attest to, hence the listing of Beligas/Ultima products in sponsored international sources. Furthermore, I agree with the fact that you said that Australia has very strict customs, but you cannot go as far as claiming nothing goes through, as again, correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of Aussie vendors have products coming from international steroid brands such as Dragon Pharma. Even another trusted vendor on this Aussie forum here is selling Beligas orals. Also, as Rhino has mentioned explicitly many times, anyone can go to the OFFICIAL Beligas website and see that Rhino is a verified reseller listed on there, AND each product has a unique identifier code, which you can input and manually verify the authenticity of each product.

You also can't hate on someone for changing 'business strategy' if the original way was not producing the expected outcomes; that's literally what most businesses would do in a scenario where they are not achieving desirable outcomes. For example, a vendor on here recently changed shipping strategies as the original method was not working as well as intended.

Not wanting to argue with anyone on here or say anyone is wrong in this situation, I just wanted to share my piece on Rhino and mainly his Beligas Line, as so far my experiences with them have been amazing; therefore, I don't think Rhino should be receiving any unnecessary backlash.

 

[Eveflorence]

Replying to this as I am going to defend who I think is a respectable vendor. First of all, note that I am just a customer and not a logger with @RhinoUGL; therefore, I don't have any reason to defend him except the fact that I deem his Beligas products (I haven't tried the Ultima range yet) as high quality and Rhino himself as a great vendor to have personally dealt with.

First of all, correct me if I'm wrong, but Rhino has been claiming 'pharma grade' on the Beligas and Ultima products. Now, obviously, anabolic steroids are illegal in a lot of parts of the world; therefore, legitimate pharmaceutical companies cannot produce a lot of them; otherwise, they would be breaking the law. However, Rhino claims pharma grade, which clearly does not directly mean pharma, but rather the quality, process, and possibly ingredients in these products, are produced up to the standards of pharmaceutical companies, which many international evo users can attest to, hence the listing of Beligas/Ultima products in sponsored international sources. Furthermore, I agree with the fact that you said that Australia has very strict customs, but you cannot go as far as claiming nothing goes through, as again, correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of Aussie vendors have products coming from international steroid brands such as Dragon Pharma. Even another trusted vendor on this Aussie forum here is selling Beligas orals. Also, as Rhino has mentioned explicitly many times, anyone can go to the OFFICIAL Beligas website and see that Rhino is a verified reseller listed on there, AND each product has a unique identifier code, which you can input and manually verify the authenticity of each product.

You also can't hate on someone for changing 'business strategy' if the original way was not producing the expected outcomes; that's literally what most businesses would do in a scenario where they are not achieving desirable outcomes. For example, a vendor on here recently changed shipping strategies as the original method was not working as well as intended.

Not wanting to argue with anyone on here or say anyone is wrong in this situation, I just wanted to share my piece on Rhino and mainly his Beligas Line, as so far my experiences with them have been amazing; therefore, I don't think Rhino should be receiving any unnecessary backlash.

The word hate gets thrown around too often these days. My comment about changing business strategies has no hate implied, like I said he made a cunning business decision.
I'm happy that you're happy with his products. But you've gotta ask yourself if what's inside those vials really is Beligas.

 

[Limbu]

The word hate gets thrown around too often these days. My comment about changing business strategies has no hate implied, like I said he made a cunning business decision.
I'm happy that you're happy with his products. But you've gotta ask yourself if what's inside those vials really is Beligas.

I appreciate your concerns, as we all have to look out for each other here, especially when it comes to safety with our health and what we are putting into our bodies.

All the photos are off the official Beligas website, by the way. Now I have personally hand-checked the majority of the beligas products from Rhino by entering the unique code into the beligas website and they all came back authentic. In the off chance Rhino was somehow acquiring codes of legitimate Beligas products, individually putting those codes (unique to each Beligas batch I'm pretty sure) under a scratable thing on a very legitimate-looking Beligas package and somehow replicating the hologram sticker, then placing his own gear into each vial and selling those instead, considering that the products listed by him are not even that more expensive if not equivalent to UGL Aussie vendors, then at that point he would surely be losing either time or money going through that process each time. At that point it would be way more feasible to say that he found a way to bypass Australian customs, as in my opinion, that would be 10X easier than the lengths you would have to go to replicate official Beligas products, which can be verified on the official website.

Not that I'm saying that's completely impossible, but if Rhino was truly going to the extreme of doing that, he would be losing money, energy, and resources to the point he would end up being better off making his own UGL brand and brewing his own oils personally.

 

[Ttomy]

The word hate gets thrown around too often these days. My comment about changing business strategies has no hate implied, like I said he made a cunning business decision.
I'm happy that you're happy with his products. But you've gotta ask yourself if what's inside those vials really is Beligas.

U can ask the same about any vendor?? How do u know what is in the vial u purchased same as the Janoshik test sample that was done?? (Not that I have anything against any vendor on here) it’s up to u which vendor u use and trust. Don’t trust them don’t use them. Simple.

 

[AE1079]

U can ask the same about any vendor?? How do u know what is in the vial u purchased same as the Janoshik test sample that was done?? (Not that I have anything against any vendor on here) it’s up to u which vendor u use and trust. Don’t trust them don’t use them. Simple.

Exactly, you wouldn’t trust anyone with no transparency. That’s the whole point of this as it’s too many holes. Let’s say rhino stuck with UGL labels and gear was tested 3rd party, and didn’t carry on like a porkchop( even if he did) he wouldn’t be getting the criticism I guarantee. There’s too many holes in his timeline. He will be Vetted soon anyway.

 

[RhinoUGL]

Thanks Ttomy, honestly appreciate you pointing this all out but this sort of stuff is more than obvious to these guys. 100% agree with what you said about Pharmaceutical Grade. To me there are 3 tiers

- Genuine Pharma
- Pharmaceutical Grade (basically the same thing as Genuine Pharma, you don't pump out 100,000 vials worldwide every month with a backyard kit)
- UGL

I've been around in circles with these guys, and have been warned by other people not to mention to much because of their bait and switch tactics that they also use and then send to authorities. They will do anything they can to protect their business. Most of what you have said is already obvious to them. I've provided proof, evidence stock is domestic, auth codes, verified reseller snapshots on official site page, lab reports (yes in house lab reports, but still lab reports) from Beligas who are recognized worldwide alongside Ultima as being the best 2 best brands World Wide.

So its good enough for everyone else in every other part of the world, why isn't it good enough for them?

Just like to clarify something else, I have not once refused to do Jano testing, I have repeated multiple times that I will get this done, yes we're a bit delayed, but I am not refusing to do this at all, I'm more then happy to get this done. We have 8 loggers and 1 pending, all who will be getting bloods done and the list is growing.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I appreciate your concerns, as we all have to look out for each other here, especially when it comes to safety with our health and what we are putting into our bodies.

All the photos are off the official Beligas website, by the way. Now I have personally hand-checked the majority of the beligas products from Rhino by entering the unique code into the beligas website and they all came back authentic. In the off chance Rhino was somehow acquiring codes of legitimate Beligas products, individually putting those codes (unique to each Beligas batch I'm pretty sure) under a scratable thing on a very legitimate-looking Beligas package and somehow replicating the hologram sticker, then placing his own gear into each vial and selling those instead, considering that the products listed by him are not even that more expensive if not equivalent to UGL Aussie vendors, then at that point he would surely be losing either time or money going through that process each time. At that point it would be way more feasible to say that he found a way to bypass Australian customs, as in my opinion, that would be 10X easier than the lengths you would have to go to replicate official Beligas products, which can be verified on the official website.

Not that I'm saying that's completely impossible, but if Rhino was truly going to the extreme of doing that, he would be losing money, energy, and resources to the point he would end up being better off making his own UGL brand and brewing his own oils personally.

I said in private I thought something was off about @RhinoUGL, but I read this @Mydnight post and had a completely different thought now. It would seem a lot of work and labor doing this as counterfeit. Very fair point.

@RhinoUGL i suggest you take a random bottle from different batches, take photos and send those bottles off for testing. In different packages. This would remove any doubt from users. Testing is only a few weeks max, shouldn’t be long.

 

[RhinoUGL]

I said in private I thought something was off about @RhinoUGL, but I read this @Mydnight post and had a completely different thought now. It would seem a lot of work and labor doing this as counterfeit. Very fair point.

@RhinoUGL i suggest you take a random bottle from different batches, take photos and send those bottles off for testing. In different packages. This would remove any doubt from users. Testing is only a few weeks max, shouldn’t be long.

Replying to this as I am going to defend who I think is a respectable vendor. First of all, note that I am just a customer and not a logger with @RhinoUGL; therefore, I don't have any reason to defend him except the fact that I deem his Beligas products (I haven't tried the Ultima range yet) as high quality and Rhino himself as a great vendor to have personally dealt with.

First of all, correct me if I'm wrong, but Rhino has been claiming 'pharma grade' on the Beligas and Ultima products. Now, obviously, anabolic steroids are illegal in a lot of parts of the world; therefore, legitimate pharmaceutical companies cannot produce a lot of them; otherwise, they would be breaking the law. However, Rhino claims pharma grade, which clearly does not directly mean pharma, but rather the quality, process, and possibly ingredients in these products, are produced up to the standards of pharmaceutical companies, which many international evo users can attest to, hence the listing of Beligas/Ultima products in sponsored international sources. Furthermore, I agree with the fact that you said that Australia has very strict customs, but you cannot go as far as claiming nothing goes through, as again, correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of Aussie vendors have products coming from international steroid brands such as Dragon Pharma. Even another trusted vendor on this Aussie forum here is selling Beligas orals. Also, as Rhino has mentioned explicitly many times, anyone can go to the OFFICIAL Beligas website and see that Rhino is a verified reseller listed on there, AND each product has a unique identifier code, which you can input and manually verify the authenticity of each product.

You also can't hate on someone for changing 'business strategy' if the original way was not producing the expected outcomes; that's literally what most businesses would do in a scenario where they are not achieving desirable outcomes. For example, a vendor on here recently changed shipping strategies as the original method was not working as well as intended.

Not wanting to argue with anyone on here or say anyone is wrong in this situation, I just wanted to share my piece on Rhino and mainly his Beligas Line, as so far my experiences with them have been amazing; therefore, I don't think Rhino should be receiving any unnecessary backlash.

Thanks Mydnight, yes 1 other Vendor on here selling Orals, who is not an authorized reseller by the way, so what makes more sense to these guys.. Lets see, an Authorized reseller (and exclusive distributor) selling counterfeit and a reseller who isn't authorized is selling genuine. Ha. Where is his Vetting parade puppy army? Its a clear attempt to shut us down and rub our noses in the dirt, once again, no proof, no evidence, all evidence pointing to the contrary, but that doesn't stop them, they keep going. I've received about 50 DMS in the last 24hrs and if these guys think they are fooling anyone, they are wrong. They see us as competition and that's all it is, and that's what everyone else is seeing here as well. I know some guys names on here on a First name basis that are selling UGL, who are very successful, you don't see me running to authorities or shutting anyone down and going on a rampage even if I don't happen to like them as an individual. Nothing wrong with a bit of competition.

I haven't been asked by any customers for HPLC testing up until today, I think maybe I was asked once before, but everyone is very happy with Beligas. Only reports that have been on here have been good ones, we have not received ONE bad report from any customer on gear here since we have been here. Not one.

When I've been asked to get HPLC done on here, it hasn't been from customers of ours or been asked nicely. Its been stuffed down our throat from a vendor or associate, your a fraud, your a liar, everyone knows the truth, you were dropped on your head as a baby. And the HPLC testing only comes up when they have no where else to run. First its, your a fraud, you're brewing your own gear putting it into vials, you go onto ali-baba etc etc. Then its, "we all know what your up to" when they clearly know nothing. Then its, "You're not domestic", your international, then its "there's no way your getting ready made vials in" bait and switch tactics to get us to give up information. Then once some of our customers step in on here its all of a sudden HPLC testing. Its an attempt to try and bring us down to their level. You know, "don't be better then us be on the same level" so its fair game.

We are not producing UGL gear here boys. Let that sink in.

This is business. And I don't need to play dirty.

 

[RhinoUGL]

I said in private I thought something was off about @RhinoUGL, but I read this @Mydnight post and had a completely different thought now. It would seem a lot of work and labor doing this as counterfeit. Very fair point.

@RhinoUGL i suggest you take a random bottle from different batches, take photos and send those bottles off for testing. In different packages. This would remove any doubt from users. Testing is only a few weeks max, shouldn’t be long.

Appreciate your input Eddie, if you are unsure about anything you can always reach out to me via D.M I'm more than happy to talk to you any time about any concerns you have. I have a lot of time for you and a few others on here.

I will take your advice on board.

 

[James Young]

It's rough if your logging for him, but I think if you read the post from @AE1079 it's obviously he's a fraud.

I still paid for my gear, so I’m not just in rhinos corner and unable to be objective.
The thing I can see happening is that there is name calling and conjecture being thrown around (still) but other than what might be some ambitious claims about the quality of the gear (tell me one vendor on here that isn’t claiming their gear is the absolute bees knees), he’s actually been willing to work with the admin team, he’s got loggers and offering to pay for bloodwork, he’s given explanations.
I think @Eveflorence sums it up the issues the best, but I think there is a lot of pressure being put on for some marketing that is stretching the truth as opposed to lying and false advertising.
There are just too many people with an interest in seeing another lab succeed making accusations and big calls for me to trust them any more than I trust Rhino.
Combine that with the points @Mydnight pointed out and it’s a lot of effort to fake gear that people can test themselves or send off for Jano testing. Not to mention people are getting results with the gear…

 

[RhinoUGL]

Would be much easier for me to get those clear label imports off Lola buy a few parcel lockers send someone else and get ready made oils in at $20p.v or $14 per gram buy a few scoops and lollie bags and start my own lab and call it liquid platinum then go through all the effort of counterfeiting an entire brands range, not just Beligas, Ultima & Spectre labs, finding individual unique identifiers for each batch of products for each individual product we sell that match the authentication on the manufacturers official site, hologram stickers, tops, and the rest. not sure why we're even having this conversation as we are Registered and Authorized resellers of Beligas. Thats the whole point of being authorized you know, so people know they are getting genuine gear off an authorized reseller not just someone who says they have Beligas or Ultima selling fake gear. If it was so bunk or counterfit, ask yourself, why Hybrid and others have tried to get their foot in the door with Beligas and were met with a polite response of, Contact Hunter. We are not just authorized resellers, we are the Exclusive Distributor for Australia. We make less per product then these UGL guys, but yes we do have a better quality and overall more consistent product and I will 100% stand by that and back that regardless of who's feelings that hurts. If you are offended by that, that's a you problem. I'd rather have quality top shelf gear that people can rely upon then make a fortune selling lollie bags telling everyone how much they enjoy brewing the gear when anyone with half a brain or who knows someone, knows thats an outright LIE. The hide for you to come on here @Liquid Gold Labs and spit this rubbish and target us with you're little pipe band is beyond idiotic. The only one lieing and de-frauding customers into thinking you're some wonderlab is you.

We sell Genuine Pharmaceutical Grade products. Not Genuine Pharma, Genuine Pharmaceutical Grade.

I have more respect for the likes of @ODINLABS @DofRandD & @masterlabs and other labs who have been in the industry for longer then any of you pop up labs that keep coming and going all with the same thing, they know what they're doing. They have good products and a decent rep despite the petty b.s you ug oz guys throw at the fan everywhere you go.

 

[RhinoUGL]

I love how not one customer has stepped forward the entire time we have been here and said we have done them any injustice, the only feedback we have received has been positive, yet this lab/vendor thinks he's good to come in on our thread and make accustations with his little pipe band of eshays that mysteriously jump in completely out of the blue and try convince everyone that we are scamming people, wake up to yourselves. It's not the way to conduct business, and if this is the route you are going to take; Good luck staying in business, you won't last long.

 

[James Young]

I love how not one customer has stepped forward the entire time we have been here and said we have done them any injustice, the only feedback we have received has been positive

This is the thing that makes me question the likes of @Liquid Gold Labs, @AE1079 and even @juddy
If there were issues with the experience or gear wouldn't we have heard about it? At the moment there is a bunch getting said (again I point out that its mostly from people that would benefit from seeing a vendor go down) but the only evidence at the moment is from people that have had good experiences.
I did say earlier that Id like to see @RhinoUGL get on baord with the Jano tests but I have a few questions relating to it. Would that then suffice and would everyone be happy? And would that prevent the next batch from being at a lower quantity? Or are people putting their hand up to cover the cost of arranging their own Jano testing to spot check gear?

 

[RhinoUGL]

This is the thing that makes me question the likes of @Liquid Gold Labs, @AE1079 and even @juddy
If there were issues with the experience or gear wouldn't we have heard about it? At the moment there is a bunch getting said (again I point out that its mostly from people that would benefit from seeing a vendor go down) but the only evidence at the moment is from people that have had good experiences.
I did say earlier that Id like to see @RhinoUGL get on baord with the Jano tests but I have a few questions relating to it. Would that then suffice and would everyone be happy? And would that prevent the next batch from being at a lower quantity? Or are people putting their hand up to cover the cost of arranging their own Jano testing to spot check gear?

It wouldn't brother that's the thing, they will just find another angle to take. Any which way they can, probably buy a vial inject it with some gummy bears and send that off just out of spite, or start an alt account although things can be verified pretty quickly. These are the sorts of people we're dealing with here. They have been completely obsessed with seeing us fail from day one. Most of the guys (90% of whom were active Vendors at the time) from back when we first made an appearance have either been suspended or removed from EVO, either for exit scamming or breaching TOS. The same guys accusing us of doing or wanting to do the same thing. In some cases they have seen we're completely legit and have apologized and know we're here for the right reasons, and we're good! These are just the few peanuts left over. I would have thought by now all the attempts from trying to hijack our website, to voiding us on here the entire way through, to trying to convince people we're out to scam, to crying to Mods about censoring us and trying to limit our posts or replies to their nonsense, or get us banned and bait us to breach TOS, getting numerous people hitting me up on Sessions for Recs and trying to do the "Just between you and me" thing, its all failed and fallen on their head, miserably. They have Nothing. And its only pushed us to achieve bigger and better things and just smile and wave. Which is what you have seen here with us and Beligas/Ultima/Spectre and the like. They're just snakes in high grass my man. They seem to think the more likes you get on an EVO post = more backing. They all jump in and pat eachother on the back like they have done some good deed. Group mentality. Ad-hominem attacks with no basis of any evidence whatsoever, pretty much sums this all up.

 

[RhinoUGL]

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