Water Retention and Bloat whilst cutting with Tren Ace?

[RyanG94]

Hi guys, long time browser of the site first time poster!

Stats;
Age - 29
Lifting since 21
First cycle - 26 (in total this is my 4th cycle)
Height - 5”9
Weight 93Kg
Bf 16-17% currently

Current cycle - (10 days in)
600Mg Test E (Rohm) pinned twice weekly
75mg Tren Ace (Rohm) pinned EOD
Aromasin (Rohm) 20mg EOD
Anavar (Rohm) 50mg ED
Proviron (Rohm) - 50mg ED
Cardarine - 20mg ED (10mg in AM/PM)

Used the same labs before without problem.

Got Caber and Cialis on hand just in case but no erection issues, libido issues or puffy/itchy nipple issues at the moment. Also taking liver supports etc.

Was planning on running this for 6 weeks just a short cutting cycle due to booking a short notice unplanned holiday, usually would prefer to run tren from a lower starting point but wanna have a quick tidy up before the holiday.

Anyway I have ran this cycle before with no issues over 8 weeks, however this time (and I know I’m only 10 days in) rather than weight coming down I just feel so bloated and weight has jumped up 5Kg in 10 days. I am definitely in a calorie deficit, output is high. I have dieted this exact way before but this time I’ve just got massive bloat, nearly all of it in my gut, arms and legs don’t appear to have got the bloated look really at all.

Currently lifting 5 days a week;
Push-Pull-Legs-Chest and Back-Shoulders and Arms
Hydration is fine, around 6-7 litres of water a day. Energy is fine, little bit of night sweats creeping in but other than that no sides other than this bloated look.

Any suggestions on what could be causing this or anything to try from what I’ve posted above? Or is it simply a case of give it time and see if it levels out and disappears?

 

[RyanG94]

EDIT:

Couple of things I missed here that I want to clarify.

We booked the holiday 5 weeks ago, I started running Test E at 600mg then, was running a cruise at 125mg before that.

Starting weight 5 weeks ago - 92.5Kg
Weight the day before starting Tren Ace 87.6
So dropped nearly 5Kg in the roughly 4 weeks of Test E at 600mg before adding in tren.

Cals are;
2160 on lifting days (210P, 235C, 41F)
1945 on non lifting days (207P, 187C, 40F)
One day a fortnight I do a water fast, started it years ago, just kept it in as I like it - appreciate its not “optimal” but hey ho, can’t imagine it’s related to this issue anyway.

Diet is made up of the Normal stuff; rice, chicken, veg, oats, beef protein isolate (hate the texture of whey), little bit of dark chocolate for some fats. Sodium isn’t high.

I’m not overly fussed about the weight on the scales, but it’s more the fact I look puffy and bloated rather than leaning out.

I’ve read a loadddd of posts on various sites today about this and think it could just be a case of increasing water intake even more (a great post I found on here regarding water retention on tren - can’t find it now but thanks to that user!) and another regarding stomach issues that can gauze gas/bloat.

Will order some digestive enzymes and add some probiotics to the diet as well as increasing water intake and report back. Any other ideas in the meantime?

I’m not hellbent on using tren, it was a quick last minute cycle to have a tidy up before holiday, if it’s not working for me I’ll drop it that’s no problem, just a bit curious and miffed with the initial results haha.

And other than bloat, night sweats coming in, and a bit of the added aggression and strength in the gym coming in. When I’m the gym I actually look great, vascularity showing more, don’t look anywhere near as bloated etc. which makes me think it could be a digestive thing as the bloat is insane after eating?

Cheers!

 

[stevesmi]

you are learning a couple things

1. calories in is not a correct metric to gain/lose weight especially on steroids
2. tren is very inflammatory. you look best not while on tren, but when you come off and the esters clear out. example 2-3 weeks post you stop tren is when you really see the prize

i know with me i QUICKLY gain 5-8 pounds my first 2 weeks on tren always. however, tren does change your thyroid output, i have seen the bloods to show this. it is a very unique steroid

in the mean it might not be your thing for your goals. i have never liked tren for cutting, only for bulking and strength especially

for cutting i prefer EQ, tbol and anavar

 

[LevButlerov]

Hi guys, long time browser of the site first time poster!

Stats;
Age - 29
Lifting since 21
First cycle - 26 (in total this is my 4th cycle)
Height - 5”9
Weight 93Kg
Bf 16-17% currently

Current cycle - (10 days in)
600Mg Test E (Rohm) pinned twice weekly
75mg Tren Ace (Rohm) pinned EOD
Aromasin (Rohm) 20mg EOD
Anavar (Rohm) 50mg ED
Proviron (Rohm) - 50mg ED
Cardarine - 20mg ED (10mg in AM/PM)

Used the same labs before without problem.

Got Caber and Cialis on hand just in case but no erection issues, libido issues or puffy/itchy nipple issues at the moment. Also taking liver supports etc.

Was planning on running this for 6 weeks just a short cutting cycle due to booking a short notice unplanned holiday, usually would prefer to run tren from a lower starting point but wanna have a quick tidy up before the holiday.

Anyway I have ran this cycle before with no issues over 8 weeks, however this time (and I know I’m only 10 days in) rather than weight coming down I just feel so bloated and weight has jumped up 5Kg in 10 days. I am definitely in a calorie deficit, output is high. I have dieted this exact way before but this time I’ve just got massive bloat, nearly all of it in my gut, arms and legs don’t appear to have got the bloated look really at all.

Currently lifting 5 days a week;
Push-Pull-Legs-Chest and Back-Shoulders and Arms
Hydration is fine, around 6-7 litres of water a day. Energy is fine, little bit of night sweats creeping in but other than that no sides other than this bloated look.

Any suggestions on what could be causing this or anything to try from what I’ve posted above? Or is it simply a case of give it time and see if it levels out and disappears?

I haven't used Rohm brand so hard to say but 6 week cycle? thats nonsense and a waste. Well 8 weeks is better.

Your bloat and your results are unclear as to why because you didn't post your log journal with your full diet training cardio supplements sleep and more. If you want guidance we need a full log posted.

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[JasonPriest]

try lowering the tren dose and using masteron with it

 

[Quadsweep]

just drop the tren and see if the issues persist

 

[chesty]

you posted some details but thats life details what we need is a FULL LOG journal to understand

 

[ROIDDERS]

yea how do we guess? like maybe you're doing 1000000 mgs sodium/ed

 

[ceo]

bros need your diet training and supps posted for real help

 

[Ulter]

drop tren and see but thats kind of lame
better get a LOG so we can help you clearly

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

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[MONSTRO]

my suggestion lower trenbolone dose and add n2guard 7caps ed and LOG LOG LOG LOG NOW

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

organ liver support like n2guard is a must with trenbolone, your body is toxic now thats the problem
we need to see your LOG share it

 

[e2]

please put up your LOG journal for actual help not generic guessing

 

[2Thick]

i can only guess on this without knowing what you eat or how you train for at least 2 weeks

 

[Mobster]

you are learning a couple things

1. calories in is not a correct metric to gain/lose weight especially on steroids
2. tren is very inflammatory. you look best not while on tren, but when you come off and the esters clear out. example 2-3 weeks post you stop tren is when you really see the prize

i know with me i QUICKLY gain 5-8 pounds my first 2 weeks on tren always. however, tren does change your thyroid output, i have seen the bloods to show this. it is a very unique steroid

in the mean it might not be your thing for your goals. i have never liked tren for cutting, only for bulking and strength especially

for cutting i prefer EQ, tbol and anavar

Stevesmi is correct. Also cruising too...?

 

[RyanG94]

Thanks for this reply mate, very informative and iirc it was yourself who I was referencing regarding the posts I had seen that were very helpful!

It may well be the case that I’m responding differently to tren this time around to last time, will give it a couple of weeks with increased water intake, digestive enzymes and a probiotic and see how that goes. I’m not fussed about what the scale says, but the bloated look isn’t ideal haha!

Thanks again

 

[RyanG94]

Thanks everyone for your replies!

I will create a LOG over the weekend for you all to see.

Bit of an update here, the bloat has eased a bit overnight and dropped 1.1Kg so maybe it’s starting to shift. Gonna continue with an increased water intake, digestive enzymes and a probiotic as per Stevesmi post I’ve seen on here yesterday (in another thread).

I appreciate that a 6 week run isn’t ideal, I would prefer to run it for 8 weeks but given the time until the holiday I thought I’ll see what I can squeeze out of 6 weeks.

Again, not hellbent on using tren so if it doesn’t subside I will drop it out.

For those that didn’t see it in my post I am taking liver supports.
Diet is clean and will post a full breakdown over the weekend as well as some training info etc. appreciate my post yesterday probably wasn’t as informative as it could have been, it was put together in a rush inbetween meetings so apologies. For the lack of substance/good info to base recommendations and insights on.

Thanks again to everyone who replied, much appreciated

 

[Mobster]

For whatever reason the holiday last minute thing always kinds of annoys me. It sounds unplanned and most people know months in advance so leaving a diet to the last minute is never good. Also consider keeping it going while away

 

[RyanG94]

For whatever reason the holiday last minute thing always kinds of annoys me. It sounds unplanned and most people know months in advance so leaving a diet to the last minute is never good. Also consider keeping it going while away

Yeah mate it was unplanned, again I appreciate that’s not ideal for a cycle.
The entire holiday was unplanned though tbh, got a bonus at work unexpectedly as it’s a fairly new position I’m in so decided to book some time away.

Regarding keeping it going whilst away, I would be open to that, there is a gym where were going which I plan on using as I hate taking time away from training and I won’t be just eating total garbage whilst away.
I tend to drink once or twice a year at most so won’t be drinking heavily on a daily basis, obviously diet won’t be as dialled in but wont be eating rubbish all day. How would you suggest keeping it going whilst away as I obviously can’t take gear away with me?

Cheers