Why do i suggest these supplements, well its part of something i call the trifecta, trifecta part 1. Training hard trifecta part 2. Perfect nutrition heavy consumption of fruits, vegetables and calories, part 3 ancilliary supplements the most over looked portion of a bodybuilding "steroid" lifestyle, now the reason theyre overlooked is because of lack of knowledge about them and education, the supplements i listed are extracted chemicals generally from plants but not all that we cannot get enough of in the diet, thesd extracts have a high chemical effect on our organs, but people underestimate this