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What I Have Learned Over 15 Years of Use & Lifting by Alien8ed

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What I Have Learned Over 15 Years of Use & Lifting by Alien8ed

Before I get started I want to clarify a few details. I am not a competitive bodybuilding, I am not a doctor, a scientist or any other alleged expert. Everything that I am going to talk about is based on my sole experience of using steroids and related drugs in a non-competitive bodybuilding format. I am not going to post pictures or pretend that I am the best bodybuilder in the world, nor will I pretend to be an "expert" or guru. I simply want to discuss things that I have found out over the years and that will hopefully help some of you to save time and achieve what you want. I have a wealth of experience under my belt and believe that the knowledge I possess will be of benefit to some, if not many. The information I will supply will be about use will be focuses about general and bodybuilding in general. It will be based on what I have done and guided others to do to achieve their gains. It will not be about contest prep or the finer details of competitive bodybuilding, more so a generalisation of what I have used to develop in size and condition with a realistic and affordable approach, whilst keeping health paramount.

Over the years I have taught myself how to correct problems in my own body and that of others through diet and supplementing vitamins. I am not a qualified nutritionist, however I can give you no solid methods that have helped me and many others with ailments and share with you my what I believe to be solid information that is easy to follow to ensure you give yourself the best chance of impeccable health. What I will talk about comes from years of making mistakes and learning through trial, error and education in myself and that of others. I have a good range of experience and I believe that some of what I say will be of to benefit most of you at some point. You are more than welcome not to take anything of what I have to say onboard or even mock it, however I hope you read my words and interact in the post and share your views and knowledge, especially the more experienced lifters so that the younger generation can benefit.

The main areas I would like to focus on is use, health and diet as I believe these are the most important, but I will touch on other issues that are related. I am not going to justify the science or get into arguments over what is proven and what is not, these are my beliefs, they are educated and may serve to help you. I will not be discussing sources, where to buy or anything like that, so please do not PM and ask me. I have been on the forum scene for some time

This information will not be in any particular order, I will just be posting my thoughts on different subjects over the weeks to come and bouncing back and forth between topics. Some posts will be more general, some however will be more in-depth. I hope you enjoy what I have to read.


Over Obsession - Training

Luckily this was a lesson learned young. In the early years I used to obsess about training. I thought the more I focused on it and the harder I trained the quicker and better I would develop. How I was wrong! It often held me back as for every piece of information out there there is something contradictory that would confuse me and leave me in limbo. The gains only started to really come strong when I through all that crap out the window and focused on putting together drugs in my body through trial and error. Funnily enough, I actually made my best gains, with the exception of using such things as growth hormone by actually training around twice a week of which the body parts where spread over around a ten day period. Overall for condition and well being, I have found that 3 days a week is optimal for myself with a 5-6 break every couple of months. Anything more is just a waste of my time, joints and patience. I have found gains are more about what I take and my condition is more about what I take and what I eat. Training is required obviously, however I have maintained my weight and condition for lengthy periods training one, sometimes twice a week. Most of these training sessions last 20-30 minutes, occasionally longer if I am tired or if I have been chatting. I have found that training your muscles well comes from experience, it is not something you learn in a video or in the words of text, it is more about learning from over training and learning to step back what you need to do to stimulate the muscle. For me, once the muscle is stimulated, I move onto the next body part or leave. I do the least possible to achieve this. The years of training my energy levels and my joints into the ground so I could fool myself into thinking I was going to get bigger are well and truly gone. Often taking a step back is required to progress forward.

Unrealistic Expectations - The lies that lead to them

Bodybuilding is full of the sick and twisted. It is not an activity where practitioners freely offer good advice, they like to keep secrets and talk lies as more often than not bodybuilders are an insecure breed. Many people will mislead you with what they actually take and do to prevent you advancing as well as you could. Some will mislead you to make money from you (often to cover their expensive habits), however many are selfish individuals and/or inexperienced individuals who paraphrase bull shit wives tails and give bogus advice to try to explain your short comings, all so they can have you believe that they are superior to you in some way. Often only what is superior to these people is the quality of products of what they have in their arsenal and how they put them together. These sorts of people are rife, especially in places where money is involved such as magazines, bodybuilding conventions, supplement shops, internet forums etc. If someone is set to financially gain from something, be wary of their advice.

This leads me on to realistic expectations. Do not seek the natural route and expect the gains of steroid users, do not use steroids and expect that you will achieve the same look of an experienced growth hormone user, do not believe that you can obtain insulin related gains without using insulin, do not expect low doses to produce the same results of higher doses and most of all do not let yourself be fooled into thinking that supplements can achieve the results of pharmaceuticals. The route of a body builder should be to better yourself, do not focus on others. You will have constant dissatisfaction and a bitter taste in your mouth if you fuel yourself on becoming someone else. Size and condition can all be improved, however you individual genetics dictate how all this is put together, if you have a weak chest genetically and strive for the Arnold type chest, you will only make yourself miserable as you will keep coming up short. I will always advocate building the biggest, strongest, leanest you. Critics will always call what you have, everyone's views are different, however the only one that should matter is yours.


Chemical Enhancement - More of an art that a science.


I will not deny that science has its place in bodybuilding, all the drugs we use to day we have science to thank for. It is a useful tool that I believe should be part of your arsenal, however obsessing over studies proved to be fruitless for me and others that I witnessed doing the same thing. What I have learned about using steroids related drugs is it is how they come about in the body to effect it which produces the gains that I was looking for. This comes from trial an error in yourself. A set dose or "stack" will work well for one and not as well for another, some drugs your will tolerate, some you wont. You need to find what works in you and put it together with the other drugs that work in combination to achieve your goals. I have often taken 6-10 different steroids and other drugs simultaneously to achieve a certain look, however I do admit I have learned to do this with less over the years.

One thing that I have witnessed over the years is the patterns that develop amongst people. I have seen people get in great condition with nothing more than deca and test, however you will find that for most it is a particular group of drugs that you will rely on to bring about condition and it will be another group that bring about greater gains in size. That does not mean to say you can not mix things up and find something that works well for you or a measure that allows you to make steady gains and remain in good condition. II would say there are few people I have seen that can bring about a solid sizable look whilst consuming solely test, deca and d.bol.

I will post more in replies shortly.

Alien8ed
 
Simple is always best. I truly believe in that. Ive tried every compound there is over the last 10 years. My favourite cycle is still deca sust and dbol. I have had the best gains using that combo. and that was not even eating properly cause i was mid 20s. I could only imagine now the gains i could make now that i am way more knowledgeable.

good read
 
Thank you for taking the time to write all that out for everyone.

Great reading on a Friday night :cool:
 
bro you wrote that today? thats interesting info

Yes I did and if you look below I have added more.

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Macro Counting

In the early years I followed the masses like a little lost sheep and counted my calories in search of the physique I desired. I did this for years and struggled with my conditioning throughout. There was no guide book back then, no forums to guide me, just a few lousy paperback books and some bad information passed around the gyms.

Fortunately back when I started using I was lucky enough to train and be friends with some pretty large older guys in my youth. Back then people didn't really talk in depth about what they used or what they ate, even if they where your friend. At best you would get a rough idea of what was used through general gym chat, however what I did notice eventually in regards to diet was all the big guys I knew ate pretty much what they wanted with little to no concern to what the breakdown was of what they was eating. They generally ate tasty high calorie food whilst I was eating boiled chicken and rice from plastic containers looking crap with steroids flowing through my veins. After a while I threw out my Flex magazine and plastic boxes and gave up on the idea and I started to eat more of what I wanted. At first I made mistakes as I gained more fat that muscle. I had always been a big eater and thought that is what was needed to grow, but after time and lots of frustration I started to challenge common information and realised that my problem was that I was over eating.

As time went by I learned about everything what I ate, from how it was produced to how it is preserved and I learned to eat as well as I can with the food available to me. I learned to eat real food with foods and still eat foods that I like such as ice cream and chocolate and make gains and not get fat, then I learned to eat these foods and actually get leaner. Once I learned how to use steroids effectively I could eat these foods and get in very good condition. The only real difference in my diet nowadays is how much I eat. When I want to get in shape I eat a little less and make a few minor changes, the rest of the time I am consistently the same BF, make steady gains (for my size) and I eat instinctively from the food groups that I know is best for me. I eat a varied diet, I do not worry if I change something or if I eat something that I have never ate before, I simply stop eating when I have had enough as my body knows when I have ate enough as it tells me to stop. If you was like me in years gone by then you will have no sense of this as you have always ate too much or not enough. If you currently are always in a state of gaining weight, loosing weight or in a state of being underweight and are unable to maintain a condition then you are not in tune with your body an its needs. This is something that you will need to put effort in to teaching yourself. If you want to enjoy food and have a varied diet then learning to eating instinctively is strongly advised.

Controlling Oestrogen In Males - Looking like a man, not like a woman

For some of you (males), oestrogen will have little of a concern, even at high doses your body will tolerate it well and drugs to combat it will be less of a concern. For those of you that your skin looks soft, suffer from related fat gain, struggle with fat loss, have puffy nipples and other related symptoms of high oestrogen, getting this hormone under control is paramount to achieving that solid defined look. Even when you are carrying a little extra body fat you will not look soft and squidgy. I have played around with every drug you can think of that is used to control this on a general use basis and after years of meddling I found a simple combination that works well for me and everyone I have advised to use it. Aromasin combined with Proviron or Masteron (or their generic counterparts) is a fantastic solution to a problem that plagues many. It can be taken year round and so long as you do not over do it has little negative side effects for most if not all. You can use Arimidex as this works equally as well, however I have found it to be more expensive and there is some science that suggests that it is possible for your body to adapt to it over the long term. I personally run a generic versions of Aromasin and Proviron/Masteron year round. I typically take a 25mg dose twice a week and use either Proviron 25mg daily or 150mg of Masteron each week. That does me for most of what I will ever use, although when the foot is on the gas pushing for size with drugs pushing that aromatase more easily, I may increase these slightly. Competitive protocols in the latter weeks will often aim to flatten oestrogen as to dry out and other drugs may be better suited, however for a guy trying to make gains it is in my experience having oestrogen that is too low is counter productive and can stop progress. In addition to this low oestrogen can kill your sex drive, make your hair fall out, make your skin flaky/dry and cause issues with mood. The whole idea is to control it, not c**** it.

The Bodies Chemistry Set - Vitamins and minerals


The body uses vitamins and minerals that you consume to produce all the varying array of chemicals, substances, organisms at other important matter that is required for it to work correctly. There are over seventy known vitamins, minerals and fats that are known as "essential". Essential vitamins/minerals/fats are what the body can not construct from other chemicals and must be consumed through the diet. Modern farming methods have lead to a decrease in the availability of these in foods in the food supply and several of these essential vitamins/minerals are not present at all in the nearly all types of food. You would have to eat very large amounts of very specific food to ensure that met your daily requirements which would be very difficult and expensive to do at best.

The body is very resistant, even when deprived, of these essential vitamins/minerals/fats, however over long periods the body will often start to fail and related diseases and illnesses can come about from the shortage of these. There are many diseases and illnesses linked to malnutrition and I am of the belief that it is this malnutrition that causes a large proportion of diseases over the world and problems in new born babies.

Supplementation is in my opinion the best option to counter this. Over the counter multivitamins rarely contain more than thirty of these and often at doses far lower than what is recommended. A specific combination of a quality multivitamin, trace minerals, good fats and other such minerals like iodine are what I supplement to ensure good health. What initially lead me to spend time finding out about this and trialling the supplementation was the last three years before I started to supplement. I was riddled with colds several times in a year, hay fever in the spring and summer, flu and other bugs. It was not uncommon for me to spend 2-3 months of the year with some form of sickness on top of months of hay fever. I had pains in some of my joints, issues with dry skin and problems with my teeth amongst other things. In the last 3-4 years I have not had a cold, the flu, hay fever or any other ailment other than a stomach virus and a chest virus which lead to a secondary infection in my lungs. I have no new fillings or new problems with my teeth and they are much whiter. My skin is still a little dry on my face from the steroid/drug use, however it is has improved significantly. I have prescribed personal friends, my family and other people the same protocol I use (it took me time to get it right) with some changes to their diets and have reported great success. Here is a list of some of the things that people have reported cured of significantly improved:

10 year dependency on anti-acid drugs cured
A friend with Crohn's disease had drastic improvements on the food that they could now eat
Reversed hair loss in females
Multiple reports of energy level improvements
Multiple reports of reduced sickness
Joint pain reduced/reversed

I have learned that prevention is far better and more effective than cure. Do not get me wrong, as I have already said, I am no nutritionist, doctor or scientist, but I do have a lot of experience and I would encourage anyone, not just bodybuilders to take up a complete supplementation like this as it has done nothing but wonders for me and the people I know that have followed it.

I will post more topics soon as replies in the thread
 
Simple is always best. I truly believe in that. Ive tried every compound there is over the last 10 years. My favourite cycle is still deca sust and dbol. I have had the best gains using that combo. and that was not even eating properly cause i was mid 20s. I could only imagine now the gains i could make now that i am way more knowledgeable.

good read

I wish I had the knowledge back then as well, however that is true for many aspects of my life
 
very nice man. that is good info and written like it was edited by a pro.
 
I am glad you liked it. I will be writing a lot more in this thread as I have a lot I would like to share. It is going to be a bit slower between posts/getting back to people whilst I wait for my mod approval to be lifted on my account. I am a busy guy, but I will do my best to respond in a timely fashion to people.

- - - Updated - - -

bro you wrote that today? thats interesting info

Yes I did, I will add more below

- - - Updated - - -

Macro Counting

In the early years I followed the masses like a little lost sheep and counted my calories in search of the physique I desired. I did this for years and struggled with my conditioning throughout. There was no guide book back then, no forums to guide me, just a few lousy paperback books and some bad information passed around the gyms.

Fortunately back when I started using I was lucky enough to train and be friends with some pretty large older guys in my youth. Back then people didn't really talk in depth about what they used or what they ate, even if they where your friend. At best you would get a rough idea of what was used through general gym chat, however what I did notice eventually in regards to diet was all the big guys I knew ate pretty much what they wanted with little to no concern to what the breakdown was of what they was eating. They generally ate tasty high calorie food whilst I was eating boiled chicken and rice from plastic containers looking crap with steroids flowing through my veins. After a while I threw out my Flex magazine and plastic boxes and gave up on the idea and I started to eat more of what I wanted. At first I made mistakes as I gained more fat that muscle. I had always been a big eater and thought that is what was needed to grow, but after time and lots of frustration I started to challenge common information and realised that my problem was that I was over eating.

As time went by I learned about everything what I ate, from how it was produced to how it is preserved and I learned to eat as well as I can with the food available to me. I learned to eat real food with foods and still eat foods that I like such as ice cream and chocolate and make gains and not get fat, then I learned to eat these foods and actually get leaner. Once I learned how to use steroids effectively I could eat these foods and get in very good condition. The only real difference in my diet nowadays is how much I eat. When I want to get in shape I eat a little less and make a few minor changes, the rest of the time I am consistently the same BF, make steady gains (for my size) and I eat instinctively from the food groups that I know is best for me. I eat a varied diet, I do not worry if I change something or if I eat something that I have never ate before, I simply stop eating when I have had enough as my body knows when I have ate enough as it tells me to stop. If you was like me in years gone by then you will have no sense of this as you have always ate too much or not enough. If you currently are always in a state of gaining weight, loosing weight or in a state of being underweight and are unable to maintain a condition then you are not in tune with your body an its needs. This is something that you will need to put effort in to teaching yourself. If you want to enjoy food and have a varied diet then learning to eating instinctively is strongly advised.

Controlling Oestrogen In Males - Looking like a man, not like a woman

For some of you (males), oestrogen will have little of a concern, even at high doses your body will tolerate it well and drugs to combat it will be less of a concern. For those of you that your skin looks soft, suffer from related fat gain, struggle with fat loss, have puffy nipples and other related symptoms of high oestrogen, getting this hormone under control is paramount to achieving that solid defined look. Even when you are carrying a little extra body fat you will not look soft and squidgy. I have played around with every drug you can think of that is used to control this on a general use basis and after years of meddling I found a simple combination that works well for me and everyone I have advised to use it. Aromasin combined with Proviron or Masteron (or their generic counterparts) is a fantastic solution to a problem that plagues many. It can be taken year round and so long as you do not over do it has little negative side effects for most if not all. You can use Arimidex as this works equally as well, however I have found it to be more expensive and there is some science that suggests that it is possible for your body to adapt to it over the long term. I personally run a generic versions of Aromasin and Proviron/Masteron year round. I typically take a 25mg dose twice a week and use either Proviron 25mg daily or 150mg of Masteron each week. That does me for most of what I will ever use, although when the foot is on the gas pushing for size with drugs pushing that aromatase more easily, I may increase these slightly. Competitive protocols in the latter weeks will often aim to flatten oestrogen as to dry out and other drugs may be better suited, however for a guy trying to make gains it is in my experience having oestrogen that is too low is counter productive and can stop progress. In addition to this low oestrogen can kill your sex drive, make your hair fall out, make your skin flaky/dry and cause issues with mood. The whole idea is to control it, not c**** it.

The Bodies Chemistry Set - Vitamins and minerals

The body uses vitamins and minerals that you consume to produce all the varying array of chemicals, substances, organisms at other important matter that is required for it to work correctly. There are over seventy known vitamins, minerals and fats that are known as "essential". Essential vitamins/minerals/fats are what the body can not construct from other chemicals and must be consumed through the diet. Modern farming methods have lead to a decrease in the availability of these in foods in the food supply and several of these essential vitamins/minerals are not present at all in the nearly all types of food. You would have to eat very large amounts of very specific food to ensure that met your daily requirements which would be very difficult and expensive to do at best.

The body is very resistant, even when deprived, of these essential vitamins/minerals/fats, however over long periods the body will often start to fail and related diseases and illnesses can come about from the shortage of these. There are many diseases and illnesses linked to malnutrition and I am of the belief that it is this malnutrition that causes a large proportion of diseases over the world and problems in new born babies.

Supplementation is in my opinion the best option to counter this. Over the counter multivitamins rarely contain more than thirty of these and often at doses far lower than what is recommended. A specific combination of a quality multivitamin, trace minerals, good fats and other such minerals like iodine are what I supplement to ensure good health. What initially lead me to spend time finding out about this and trialling the supplementation was the last three years before I started to supplement. I was riddled with colds several times in a year, hay fever in the spring and summer, flu and other bugs. It was not uncommon for me to spend 2-3 months of the year with some form of sickness on top of months of hay fever. I had pains in some of my joints, issues with dry skin and problems with my teeth amongst other things. In the last 3-4 years I have not had a cold, the flu, hay fever or any other ailment other than a stomach virus and a chest virus which lead to a secondary infection in my lungs. I have no new fillings or new problems with my teeth and they are much whiter. My skin is still a little dry on my face from the steroid/drug use, however it is has improved significantly. I have prescribed personal friends, my family and other people the same protocol I use (it took me time to get it right) with some changes to their diets and have reported great success. Here is a list of some of the things that people have reported cured of significantly improved:

10 year dependency on anti-acid drugs cured
A friend with Crohn's disease had drastic improvements on the food that they could now eat
Reversed hair loss in females
Multiple reports of energy level improvements
Multiple reports of reduced sickness
Joint pain reduced/reversed

I have learned that prevention is far better and more effective than cure. I would encourage anyone, not just bodybuilders to take up a complete supplementation like this as it has done nothing but wonders for me and the people I know that have followed it.

I will post more topics soon as replies in the thread
 
Wow, this is perhaps the biggest post I have ever seen in my life. Very interesting read - thanks for the great effort put into writing this.
 
Dam, excellent! Very thorough bro, You don't often find the longer ones readable, but you definitely have great technique, my new english teacher is really opening up my observations.
 
newb to this forum.. and this level of gear as well. Must say this is one of those posts that someone like me is literally out here begging for. Appreciate the time you took. I will be following this and checking back for more.
 
Keep it going man. This is definitely one of the longest posts I've ever seen but everything you are writing is very relevant and informative. Good read for all new and old vets of the anabolic world
 
unrealistic expectations is the biggest thing for my clients and people who talk to me.. They want a 6 pack in a few weeks when they are 25% bf
 
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