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When does gynecomastia formation begin?

GoldenPlague

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I'm exploring ways to conduct a steroid cycle in an attempt to fix a minor body dysmorphia problem.

Since doing PCTs and using additional aromatization blockers during the cycle seems too complex to me, since I'm a newbie, I'm looking for a testosterone dose that is high enough to allow for fast muscle growth while keeping body fat low, but is not high enough to cause too much testosterone to be converted to estrogen leading to gynecomastia.

So, for a 23 years old male, natural testosterone levels range between 700-1200/1300ng. My goal is to go beyond this natural limit, but without getting gynecomastia.

So, what is the amount of testosterone after which gynecomastia formation begins? If the natural likit is 1300ng but gynecomastia formation begins after, for example, 3000ng, can I use steroids to increase me testosterone levels to, for example, 2000ng or 2500ng so I can still look good without having to use additional aromatization blockers during the cycle?
 
I'm exploring ways to conduct a steroid cycle in an attempt to fix a minor body dysmorphia problem.

Since doing PCTs and using additional aromatization blockers during the cycle seems too complex to me, since I'm a newbie, I'm looking for a testosterone dose that is high enough to allow for fast muscle growth while keeping body fat low, but is not high enough to cause too much testosterone to be converted to estrogen leading to gynecomastia.

So, for a 23 years old male, natural testosterone levels range between 700-1200/1300ng. My goal is to go beyond this natural limit, but without getting gynecomastia.

So, what is the amount of testosterone after which gynecomastia formation begins? If the natural likit is 1300ng but gynecomastia formation begins after, for example, 3000ng, can I use steroids to increase me testosterone levels to, for example, 2000ng or 2500ng so I can still look good without having to use additional aromatization blockers during the cycle?
This is the same answer you got on your other post. It depends on the person.
so I can still look good without having to use additional aromatization blockers during the cycle
You don't just take test and look better. Training and diet are 95% of the ratio.
What does yours look like? At 23 there is no reason you should need gear to build some muscle and if you can't lose fat it's your diet.
 
I'm exploring ways to conduct a steroid cycle in an attempt to fix a minor body dysmorphia problem.

Since doing PCTs and using additional aromatization blockers during the cycle seems too complex to me, since I'm a newbie, I'm looking for a testosterone dose that is high enough to allow for fast muscle growth while keeping body fat low, but is not high enough to cause too much testosterone to be converted to estrogen leading to gynecomastia.

So, for a 23 years old male, natural testosterone levels range between 700-1200/1300ng. My goal is to go beyond this natural limit, but without getting gynecomastia.

So, what is the amount of testosterone after which gynecomastia formation begins? If the natural likit is 1300ng but gynecomastia formation begins after, for example, 3000ng, can I use steroids to increase me testosterone levels to, for example, 2000ng or 2500ng so I can still look good without having to use additional aromatization blockers during the cycle?
Neither are. Start by reading our articles
 
How can I know what may happen in my case? What medical tests should I do to know what type of person am I and how exactly will my body react to steroids?
You don’t until you try. That’s why you have an AI on hand and if you think you may have an issue you should have a plan(in the stickies) to deal with it.
 
BEYOND the fact ive been doing this well over a decade and have had thousands upon thousands of clients, not to mention coaching Mr. Olympia and professional athletes, you have zero clue what you are doing or getting yourself involved in.. there are MANY people extremely qualified that would never advise steroid use to someone your age unless they are either 1. completely and utterly fucking ignorant, 2. have a motive (likely monetary) or 3. just dont care whatsoever...


The problems with individuals that had not yet attained full physio-sexual development, is that that anabolic compounds are acting 9on locations within the central nervous system that are still under development. That is, that many receptors that are activated by Testosterone are STILL performing developmental functions, and you are stimulating them before they had the chance to fully create a working framework of hormonal balance that would sustain you for the rest of your adult life.


you do whatever you want but noone with a functioning brain would advise it
 
Your natural test isn't the limit at 1200ng/dl, your age is. You don't need gear you need to train consistently for at least 3 more years. You haven't reached your natural limit by a long shot.
 
I'm exploring ways to conduct a steroid cycle in an attempt to fix a minor body dysmorphia problem.

Since doing PCTs and using additional aromatization blockers during the cycle seems too complex to me, since I'm a newbie, I'm looking for a testosterone dose that is high enough to allow for fast muscle growth while keeping body fat low, but is not high enough to cause too much testosterone to be converted to estrogen leading to gynecomastia.

So, for a 23 years old male, natural testosterone levels range between 700-1200/1300ng. My goal is to go beyond this natural limit, but without getting gynecomastia.

So, what is the amount of testosterone after which gynecomastia formation begins? If the natural likit is 1300ng but gynecomastia formation begins after, for example, 3000ng, can I use steroids to increase me testosterone levels to, for example, 2000ng or 2500ng so I can still look good without having to use additional aromatization blockers during the cycle?
@GoldenPlague welcome to evo
i answered your other thread too
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/do-such-cycles-require-aromatization-blockers.96049/

on the body dysmorphia thats a problem we all have, its a bodybuilding forum so many guys have body image issues, you're in the right place

the issue here is you have good high testosterone levels and before we talk using more steroids for you i want to see your log journal in a NEW thread with your diet training and more

To really guide you we need more info, we need you to share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.

If you want us to really guide you, and we have 100s of years of experience between us, you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My precycle diet training Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2023-2024-bulk-log.89292/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/princedaddy-2023-log-here-we-go-again.87659/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-cycle-training-log.86383/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/dozers-journey-to-the-stage-and-cycle.84184/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/roidrage69-log.90127
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-time-tren-log.87653/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/25homes-revenge-transformation-log-2023.88570/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...n-season-sponsored-by-nordic-fusion-log.89817
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-anavar-rad140-cardarine-cycle-log.86174/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/contest-peak-cycle-this-year.85007/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/new-cycle.84662/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/summer-bulking-cycle.85543/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/lefr34ks-training-log.85141/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/pigsys-training-log.83248/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/echos-hgh-log-and-cycle.85429/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-cycle-log.85538/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-contest-prep-log.87619/

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
 
You really need to get a handle of what you're looking to do
and think more long-term about this stuff
 
nothing wrong with you using steroids we all have body image issues anyone on here saying otherwise is a liar
now we need to see a log out of you
 
you seem to put up a lot of threads and ask a lot of questions which is good
but really the best thing you can do is log this
 
we don't know anything about your diet and we know nothing about your training
if you truly want help you really need to get a log Journal going
 
gynecomastia is something very serious and if you get that you will regret it
that's why it's important to know what you're doing before you use steroids and log so we can help you every day
 
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your chance of developing gynecomastia is going to be higher if you don't log your cycle
reason is this way we can catch anything that comes up
 
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