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You're talking about @stevesmi ? he does a lot of fasting.
Yes I was..I was actually thinking I was replying to him but made a mistake and send the message to you I think lol sorry I’m not very fammiliar with how functions forums…
I do all kinds of fasting.
from time restricted eating
to 24 hour fasts
to 36 hours fasts.
to prolong fasting for days and even up to 19 days.
it varies a lot. but i am consistent with daily time restricted eating. i never eat before 10 or 11am. and usually eat my first meal around 2pm or later.
Hey bro concerning coffe and the I’ve always red and heard that if you drink those black it won’t be an issue..And I’ve honestly always been during my 5 days fasts drank black coffe an the thinking it was ok..But maybe I was wrong…Who knows maybe I would have had even better results with out those…For me coffe tho is a hard thing to stop..I actually get withdraw simpyoms if I stop it to drastically..Like ounce I had pain in my upper back ,like an intense burning sensation under my right scapula..As soon as I drank a little cup of coffe it disappeared..that’s how I discovered it was the withdraw of the coffe that provoqued that issue/pain..So anyways was wondering if you have any info to back up that coffe or the even black will break the fast ..?would be really interressed in having info on that so I can next time I do a fast have good reasons not to drink coffe…?the next series i need to go over before i get into the more specific fasting info is what breaks a fast. if you aren't going to do fasting correctly then you won't get the benefits.
i'm gonna go over supplements and drinks in this post
A: BCAA's
we all agree most supplements break a fast. i mean things like protein powder are obvious. but after the supplement businessmen got into the fasting fitness world now they want to push other supplements that they claim are okay during a fast. the main one i hear most is BCAA's. they claim they don't have calories which is a lie right off the bat. but regardless they most certainly destroy your fast in many ways
the biggest obvious red flag is that they spike insulin and kick you out of ketosis. which is kind of the point of fasting
leucine stimulates glucose uptake for an hour, but hey you can try it out yourself if you don't believe me. grab some ketone strips and piss on them while you are in a deep fast and then take bcaa's and then watch your ketones crater on your next few pisses. so why would you go through the trouble of getting into ketosis to just ruin it for nothing? not to mention studies have shown your amino acids circulate more in the body while in ketosis. so not only are you kicking yourself out of ketosis by supplementing bcaa's but you are also actually lowering the amount by supplementing them. this is one of the things i have to smack my head against the wall on with people cause they don't understand that sometimes certain supplements actually hurt you more than help you. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/6761185/
another study that was done on a man who fasted 50 days. his ketones were high obviously and he took some insulin (please don't try this at home) around 8IU's worth. what happened was interesting so pay attention to the next link, but i will summarize as best i can and you will love this
for the next half hour his blood sugar and ketones crashed and there was a uptake of ketones in the brain while ketone production was halted. the guy didn't even eat or drink anything and it still happened!! so yes you can still kick yourself out of ketosis even while in a deep fasted state even without eating, all it takes is that slight insulin spike. so the lesson here is don't inject, eat, or drink anything that breaks a fast or you will interrupt it.
https://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com/2014/07/in-comments-following-previous-post.html
COFFEE/TEA beverages
this leads me to the next thing which is is coffee/tea, etc. okay on a fast. unfortunately if you want to get the most out of your fast the answer is absolutely not. coffee and tea still have calories in them, albeit tiny amounts. so you will be interrupting your fast if you consume them, even if it is for an hour or two. is it the end of the world? no. is it optimal? no. is it going to interrupt your fast? YES.
MULTI VITAMINS
the next one is multi vitamins. this one should be obvious if you understand what fasting is all about. but if you aren't that knowledgeable on fasting you might think 'hey i need my vitamins during a fast right?'.. well WRONG. the whole reason behind a fast is to STRESS YOUR BODY OUT to make it stronger. when you weight train that is what you do to your muscle to make it stronger. the body is the same way with fasting. so throwing vitamins at your body makes zero sense. but let's talk about the science. SIRT's are longevity genes that get triggered while fasting. when you take an antioxidant it actually blocks that trigger effect and the vitamin takes over. so the body becomes weaker cause it is depending on the vitamin and not the actual body cells to do the work. also most vitamins work better with food anyway, so save them for during your eating window and DO NOT TAKE THEM while in your fasting window. so i hope this makes sense why taking multi vitamins on a fast are a bad idea so please don't do it!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4810759/ https://hdsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/13680.pdf
the only things you can mess with while water fasting are WATER and electrolytes. that is it.
Hey bud you make me want to experiment with this kind of approach and why not make a log out of it..Doing one day off and one day on fasting/eating for 30 days maybe more….I’m just not very familiar with the forum and with forums in general..lol so I don’t know were I should be posting my log…Can you please tell me were I should be posting this log please? What tread? Thanks! Very inspiring posts by the way!!the next study i wanted to have you take a look at will really piss off the meatheads. it shows that fasting will burn fat and also protect muscle tissue. in this study people (not rodents and not mice) fasted for 70 days. keep in mind this was NOT obese people who just got starved into caloric deficits, these are average joes who worked out and were in decent shape and included seasoned athletes who live for working out like us. it wasn't a study with just 8 fat people who starved themselves and lost weight. so that flies in the face of the theory that only fat people can lose fat with fasting. it took me some time to find this study cause it was buried on the internet (of course it pisses off supplement companies, food industry, and every meathead out there who wants to sell their bullshit $300 diet plans) but i will continue posting it over and over and over again to get it more looks.
to translate over the course of 70 days subjects lost an average of 4cm off their waist, that is a lot but it isn't like they turned into famined skinny people who look like they have a muscle wasting disease (sorry meatheads)
they overall lost an average of 6kg of fat mass and their fat free mass was flat. so did they GAIN muscle? no they didn't. but they also did NOT lose it. so they lost a boatload of fat and their muscle mass stayed the same. please tell me any time of PED free diet that can achieve this? it doesn't exist. you eat in a deficit you will lose both muscle and fat. you follow IIFYM you end up spinning your wheels. etc. so fasting is the absolute best way to recomp.
*** also i have to note that i read through the study and nothing else changed here, they ate the same foods, they had the same workout routines (or in some cases didn't workout if that is their lifestyle), if they drank soda, coffee, water etc. that didn't change. all that changes was they implemented fasting. so imagine someone who ate and trained optimally. it is something Rick brings up a lot since he does like to indulge in fast food, coffee, and sugars on occasion and still stays skinny year round thanks to his fasting
so how would you reading this benefit from this as someone who has a top notch training and diet already? you can do what we all love doing!! you could get even better results by following this type of fasting and add in some PED's to it.
now hypothetically let's say you wanted to take a break from PED's you could also do this for general health reasons and then once you complete the fast then hop on a cycle in top shape and really shred up! there are different ways to do it
let's say you wanted to recomp the shit out of your body. you would fast on day 1, feed on day 2, fast on day 3, etc. for 30 days, 60 days, etc. what i would do is take GW and do a light dose of test, EQ/primo, and var (optional). those 4 together. keep your workouts at 70% on feeding days and on fasting days do some light cardio.
you would transform yourself into an absolute freak doing that. you wouldn't blow up huge, but you would get absolutely ripped to shreds and have the best body of your life. and most importantly your
coffee still contains nutrients in it and a few calories. so are you getting FULL BENEFITS when you drink coffee while fasting? no you aren't. but are you getting 80% of benefits? yes. the people out there who are truly anal about fasting will tell you that ONLY water is allowed and NOTHING else.
however i have clients who are stim junkies who i still fast and i allow them to have a half cup of coffee plain and they still get great results fasting. unfortunately sounds like you are addicted to caffeine/stims and the only way to cure that is to gradually lower the amount you drink over time which is a separate thing. the good news is fasting is a great way to cure addictions.
what you are describing is alternate day fasting and it would be tremendous for you.Hey bud you make me want to experiment with this kind of approach and why not make a log out of it..Doing one day off and one day on fasting/eating for 30 days maybe more….I’m just not very familiar with the forum and with forums in general..lol so I don’t know were I should be posting my log…Can you please tell me were I should be posting this log please? What tread? Thanks! Very inspiring posts by the way!!
you can either start a new log or just change up your current log when you do it
Ok yea but in what tread?
Yea I did lower my consumption before but always eventually start drinking it again..lowest i went was 1 cup/day ..i am very disciplined with food ,training,fasting etc but it seems that coffee for me is very hard to stop..one of the only things that o have a hard time with ..it is indeed a real drug in my opinion…much harder for me to stop then weed or alcool or gluten witch I pretty much can stop and control with no issue..but coffee is the tuff one for me…
No problem, you're in the EVO family we are going to help you learn.Yes I was..I was actually thinking I was replying to him but made a mistake and send the message to you I think lol sorry I’m not very fammiliar with how functions forums…
@Fastlane1
@Fastlane1 you already have a log up, you can update your log with your fasting situation, here is the link to your log
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/my-cycle-and-training-log.103633/
Ok cool I will do that ..I tought I needed to start a new one..I will up date it..starting my fast protocol today…
i hit up your log just now bro check itOk cool I will do that ..I tought I needed to start a new one..I will up date it..starting my fast protocol today…
Fishing season is right around the corner. should have already started but we are delayed this year. April hopefully will be good. I found a new secret fishing spot that I am going to try so we will see if it pays off. we will see what happens I will post up some pics during April and you will see.
This week I did cardio everyday. Worked out 3x including yesterday for 1 hour each. good training sessions.
Today will be my only rest day (i still plan on going for a walk) and I am going to be BBQ'ing some sirloin. check for pics below. also will food prep some rice, potatoes, and veggies and box them up for the next few days.
I've talked about food prep a lot with people as its very crucial. many people are failing to food prep and its not good at all. they are ordering food off their app to get it delivered and that food is horrible for your health. food prep is the secret and I do it twice a week. never depend on others to prep your food, gotta do it yourself with quality ingredients.
This week I did cardio everyday. Worked out 3x including yesterday for 1 hour each. good training sessions.
Today will be my only rest day (i still plan on going for a walk) and I am going to be BBQ'ing some sirloin. check for pics below. also will food prep some rice, potatoes, and veggies and box them up for the next few days.
I've talked about food prep a lot with people as its very crucial. many people are failing to food prep and its not good at all. they are ordering food off their app to get it delivered and that food is horrible for your health. food prep is the secret and I do it twice a week. never depend on others to prep your food, gotta do it yourself with quality ingredients.
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I like your food prep discussion, you always have to food prep 100% @stevesmi kits a must.
Pics look amazing steak and whats that in the metal net?
potatoes in the air fryer. both sweet and regular potatoes.
Nice, now I see it.
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