Why is WADA's Testosterone and Epitestosterone upper limit 200ng/ml = 20000ng/dl?

[NFRCR]

That's crazy.

You get flagged if:
1. Testosterone/Epitestosterone ratio is more than 4:1.
2. Testosterone or Epitestosterone is over 200ng/ml = 20000ng/dl.

If you get flagged, your sample will be analyzed using the Carbon Isotope Ratio method that will distinguish exogenous T from endogenous T.

So if you were to mask the Testosterone/Epitestosterone ratio with exogenous Epitestosterone or some other means, you could avoid getting flagged.

But why is the T and E limit so damn high? 1200ng/dl is usually considered the normal natural maximum. Of course there could be some genetic deviations, maybe someone would have double that naturally. But 20000ng/dl is 16-17 times higher than that! I do not know how much you would have to inject to get 20000ng/dl plasma levels of T, but it seems you could safely do 1g a week and not worry it going over the limit.

 

[gearhead]

there are ways they can tell you're injecting bro...and some people do have higher natural test fyi...

 

[Shultz]

Do you have a link to where you got the 200ng/ml figure? I do remember seeing a maximum allowable testosterone blood level but can't find it again. I thought it was much lower than that.

The only way they can tell if you are injecting testosterone, or similar, is if they do a mas spec on your bloodwork or urine sample. That's very expensive. So they test your urine and check the test/epitest ratio. If it's greater than 4:1 then they do a mas spec to see if the testosterone you have is man made. Injectable test is plant based so a mas spec test will show the slight differences in the molecule makeup.

If your test/epitest ratios are within 4:1 but the actual test levels are over the set limit, you are assumed to be doping.

If you are injecting other substances not made by the human body, such as dbol or stana and such, then you are deemed to be doping without any further tests.

 

[Shultz]

Oh, and one more thing. There is no such thing as "drug free". You can take all sorts of stuff like testosterone, clenbuterol and stimulants if you have a medical reason to do so. That's way 60% of baseball players have been "diagnosed" with ADD.

Under the WADA code you can get a Theraputic Use Exemption (TUE) for many substances if you have a medical reason for doing so. That includes, of course, submitting blood tests and such ordered by an endochrinologist or other specialist along with a form that the specialist has to fill out.

Even then, with a TUE, if your test levels are above a given point, you are pinged for doping. Last year a 90 y/o man in the US got pinged for high test levels.

 

[stevesmi]

shouldn't be shocking to you.. in pro sports they test the same way bro..

also if you fail to show up or you tamper with the sample you FAIL on the spot even if you never took anything.

 

[NFRCR]

Oh, and one more thing. There is no such thing as "drug free". You can take all sorts of stuff like testosterone, clenbuterol and stimulants if you have a medical reason to do so. That's way 60% of baseball players have been "diagnosed" with ADD.

Under the WADA code you can get a Theraputic Use Exemption (TUE) for many substances if you have a medical reason for doing so. That includes, of course, submitting blood tests and such ordered by an endochrinologist or other specialist along with a form that the specialist has to fill out.

Even then, with a TUE, if your test levels are above a given point, you are pinged for doping. Last year a 90 y/o man in the US got pinged for high test levels.

I read about this TUE. And it seems many popular athletes have jumped on TRT to get TUE, many news articles about this.

 

[iwannagofaster]

Oh, and one more thing. There is no such thing as "drug free". You can take all sorts of stuff like testosterone, clenbuterol and stimulants if you have a medical reason to do so. That's way 60% of baseball players have been "diagnosed" with ADD.

Under the WADA code you can get a Theraputic Use Exemption (TUE) for many substances if you have a medical reason for doing so. That includes, of course, submitting blood tests and such ordered by an endochrinologist or other specialist along with a form that the specialist has to fill out.

Even then, with a TUE, if your test levels are above a given point, you are pinged for doping. Last year a 90 y/o man in the US got pinged for high test levels.

Baseball is very different from sports that use the WADA Olympic style test. Baseball has too much to lose. Same as NFL and NBA. It takes close attention to continuously pass WADA testing if you are dirty.