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Hi everyone , so I got some winni for a good deal for cutting purposes , like it is supposed to be done I was going to stack it with test but some people tell me it's a big mistake winstrol and test and I should go instead winstrol and nandrolone, what would your advice be? thank you.
What was the reason they gave you not to stack winstrol with testosterone?
Testosterone might make you retain a little bit of water but if you use an AI with your cycle to keep estrogen levels in the normal range, you will retain very little water for the testosterone.
Aromasin -> https://www.evolutionary.org/aromasin-exemestane
I see no problems with stacking winstrol with testosterone. If you want a steroid stack that will cause zero water retention, you shouldn't use either testosterone or a nandrolone (deca or npp). You would want to stack the winstrol with a DHT derivative that does not aromatize. Something like anavar.
Winstrol and anvar is a very popular cutting stack -> https://www.evolutionary.org/beginner-oral-cutting-cycle/
Testosterone might make you retain a little bit of water but if you use an AI with your cycle to keep estrogen levels in the normal range, you will retain very little water for the testosterone.
Aromasin -> https://www.evolutionary.org/aromasin-exemestane
I see no problems with stacking winstrol with testosterone. If you want a steroid stack that will cause zero water retention, you shouldn't use either testosterone or a nandrolone (deca or npp). You would want to stack the winstrol with a DHT derivative that does not aromatize. Something like anavar.
Winstrol and anvar is a very popular cutting stack -> https://www.evolutionary.org/beginner-oral-cutting-cycle/
Was these people trying to sell you some more drugs?
Id rather run winny with test than winny with deca/npp. I cant see running deca/npp without test anyways.
edward2879
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Hi All,
I am male 30 years old. I am 5'9 at 182 lbs. I have been training for over 7 years consistently. I am at 13.2 % bodyfat. bodyfat is tested using dexascan. I want to compete in weight lifting. i did amateur competition at 85kg (187 lb). I placed 6th. I did not cut weight before the competition. I maintained same weight 3 months into it. I want to compete at 77kg (170 lb). I want to put on strength and move faster. I want to start my first cycle. I hired a high level coach. I hired a doctor to monitor my blood levels. I want to get down to 7-8% body fat and i am planning to stay there all year round.
Please Keep in mind, i dieted down multiple times in past to 8%. Nothing new for me there. But i lose strength when i diet.
My coach recommended me the cycle below. I understand first cycle needs to be testosterone ONLY but in the sport that i want to compete in, Technique, speed and strength matters. Any constructive feedback is appreciated.
WINSTROL (oral) 25mg per day
ANAVAR 20mg per day
Clenbuterol: 20mcg 2x per day (taken separately).
Cytomel: 25mcg per day. [start when I instruct you to]
TESTOLYZE (from Species Nutrition) 3 pills 2x per day
After cycle is completed-1 bottle of HCG (2000IU every 3rd day for 5 shots).
Macros: carbs 220, fats 80 g, protein 200 g.
I am male 30 years old. I am 5'9 at 182 lbs. I have been training for over 7 years consistently. I am at 13.2 % bodyfat. bodyfat is tested using dexascan. I want to compete in weight lifting. i did amateur competition at 85kg (187 lb). I placed 6th. I did not cut weight before the competition. I maintained same weight 3 months into it. I want to compete at 77kg (170 lb). I want to put on strength and move faster. I want to start my first cycle. I hired a high level coach. I hired a doctor to monitor my blood levels. I want to get down to 7-8% body fat and i am planning to stay there all year round.
Please Keep in mind, i dieted down multiple times in past to 8%. Nothing new for me there. But i lose strength when i diet.
My coach recommended me the cycle below. I understand first cycle needs to be testosterone ONLY but in the sport that i want to compete in, Technique, speed and strength matters. Any constructive feedback is appreciated.
WINSTROL (oral) 25mg per day
ANAVAR 20mg per day
Clenbuterol: 20mcg 2x per day (taken separately).
Cytomel: 25mcg per day. [start when I instruct you to]
TESTOLYZE (from Species Nutrition) 3 pills 2x per day
After cycle is completed-1 bottle of HCG (2000IU every 3rd day for 5 shots).
Macros: carbs 220, fats 80 g, protein 200 g.
You are competing in a sport where technique and speed are EXTREMELY important but you want to use winstrol (which will cause bad joint pain) and clenbuterol (which will cause muscle cramps)?
Your cycle makes no sense at all.
Especially your PCT. HCG is suppressive of natural testosterone production. It is the LAST thing you want to use in a PCT protocol.
I coach people for a living so I try not to bash other coaches because I know that I am not perfect but your cycle makes zero sense in my opinion.
Watch this video on cardarine -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ds/evolutionary-radio-tv-now-live!-55836.html
If I was training you personally, I would have you just use cardarine (along with a smart diet and training program of course) to cut down to your goal competition weight. Simple easy and effective.
Your cycle makes no sense at all.
Especially your PCT. HCG is suppressive of natural testosterone production. It is the LAST thing you want to use in a PCT protocol.
I coach people for a living so I try not to bash other coaches because I know that I am not perfect but your cycle makes zero sense in my opinion.
Watch this video on cardarine -> https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ds/evolutionary-radio-tv-now-live!-55836.html
If I was training you personally, I would have you just use cardarine (along with a smart diet and training program of course) to cut down to your goal competition weight. Simple easy and effective.
I would scrap the entire thing. it makes no sense and is completely outdated. Clen and T3?.........come on man. If you have dieted down to 8% naturally before why would you feel the need to use these types of drugs? Makes no sense. Sounds like you should get rid of this coach.
I agree.
Although I'll never do it again because the winstrol made me miserable, the one-time that I ran a winstrol-test' cycle proved quite successful. I was shredded all over, but achy all over, too.
So, yes, the notion that winny and test' are somehow incompatible with one another is ridiculous.
Muskate, would you be able to PM me regarding GW?
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Muskate, would you be able to PM me regarding GW? Sorry for the double post, I'm new here so give me a break
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Muskate, would you be able to PM me regarding GW? Sorry for the double post, I'm new here so give me a break
Muskate, would you be able to PM me regarding GW?
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Muskate, would you be able to PM me regarding GW? Sorry for the double post, I'm new here so give me a break
Just sent you a PM. You can also send me an email (link is in my signature)
