Won't injecting testosterone at the end of each dose's half-life cause accumulation of testosterone in the body?

[Noah Wixx]

As far as trt goes dont low dose AI just because.its not necessary,estrogen is not the enemy.

U don't know how he is gonna respond some people are super estrogen prone, id rather run AI day one then take a chance, the beauty is we all respond so differently that u can approach this many different ways, I can pin 200mg no AI no issue never pushed it above that, some people look at test and grow boobs, u just never know, depending on where he lives he can get his AI customized for me I got mine in .15mg a pill when I did run it so I could low dose it if I wanted it.

 

[Seventieschild]

U don't know how he is gonna respond some people are super estrogen prone, id rather run AI day one then take a chance, the beauty is we all respond so differently that u can approach this many different ways, I can pin 200mg no AI no issue never pushed it above that, some people look at test and grow boobs, u just never know, depending on where he lives he can get his AI customized for me I got mine in .15mg a pill when I did run it so I could low dose it if I wanted it.

I don't agree, AI are very toxic,you will know if you get sensitivity, you're not going to grow tits over night,you don't know how he's gonna respond,he has to work that out,iI can run 750mg test without AI,yes very rare, but,small tell tale signs will alert you if your estrogen is out of control,you will get sensitive,you may bloat some,but you won't wake up with a new set,,have it onhand,yes,but don't use it unless you absolutely know you must.tits ain't gonna just sprout.and no one ever looked at test and grew a rack.i know bro,just mucking around.

 

[Noah Wixx]

I don't agree, AI are very toxic,you will know if you get sensitivity, you're not going to grow tits over night,you don't know how he's gonna respond,he has to work that out,iI can run 750mg test without AI,yes very rare, but,small tell tale signs will alert you if your estrogen is out of control,you will get sensitive,you may bloat some,but you won't wake up with a new set,,have it onhand,yes,but don't use it unless you absolutely know you must.tits ain't gonna just sprout.and no one ever looked at test and grew a rack.i know bro,just mucking around.

Yeah I was just being funny to explain how prone and sensitive some are with conversion, I think the goal overall with this one is helping him be mess paranoid and complicating things, AI can be toxic of course, in the grand scheme is that really the most toxic thing we can do ? The majority of us run cycles and multiple a year, id argue that's as toxic if not more toxic and can cause long term issues if u don't take the correct approach, blood worm routinely, echocardiogram calcium score testing time off etc, majority of what we so is toxic for our bodies with the compounds plus diet and other factors.

 

[Seventieschild]

Yeah I was just being funny to explain how prone and sensitive some are with conversion, I think the goal overall with this one is helping him be mess paranoid and complicating things, AI can be toxic of course, in the grand scheme is that really the most toxic thing we can do ? The majority of us run cycles and multiple a year, id argue that's as toxic if not more toxic and can cause long term issues if u don't take the correct approach, blood worm routinely, echocardiogram calcium score testing time off etc, majority of what we so is toxic for our bodies with the compounds plus diet and other factors.

Yes i concur,have to agree on that.have a good one bro

 

[Noah Wixx]

Yes i concur,have to agree on that.have a good one bro

Likewise brother, appreciate the conversation and a different perspective

 

[GoldenPlague]

you start an AI from day 1

This sounds dangerous. If, for example, a dose of 100 mg a week corresponds for 600 ng/dL, which is my current testosterone level, won't arimidex, the estrogen inhibitor I want to use, directly crash my estrogen and e2 levels?

In order for estrogen inhibitors to be safe, isn't it mandatory for estrogen levels to be above the normal level?

Any estrogen inhibitor will lower the estrogen level. If the estrogen level is normal, an estrogen inhibitor will lower it to below normal. If the estrogen level is above the normal level, an estrogen inhibitor will lower it to the normal level.

Unless arimidex induces an appropriate effect on the aromatase enzyme, it's dangerous to use it unless it's proven estrogen levels are above normal.

By "appropriate effect" I mean an inhibition that is always appropriate relative to the estrogen level. So is inhibition by arimidex stronger when estrogen is above normal, and lower to non-existent when the estrogen level is normal? I mean, does arimidex "know" how much to inhibit the aromatase enzyme so the estrogen doesn't become too low, or does it always hit the aromatase enzyme with its full potential?

 

[Seventieschild]

This sounds dangerous. If, for example, a dose of 100 mg a week corresponds for 600 ng/dL, which is my current testosterone level, won't arimidex, the estrogen inhibitor I want to use, directly crash my estrogen and e2 levels?

In order for estrogen inhibitors to be safe, isn't it mandatory for estrogen levels to be above the normal level?

Any estrogen inhibitor will lower the estrogen level. If the estrogen level is normal, an estrogen inhibitor will lower it to below normal. If the estrogen level is above the normal level, an estrogen inhibitor will lower it to the normal level.

Unless arimidex induces an appropriate effect on the aromatase enzyme, it's dangerous to use it unless it's proven estrogen levels are above normal.

By "appropriate effect" I mean an inhibition that is always appropriate relative to the estrogen level. So is inhibition by arimidex stronger when estrogen is above normal, and lower to non-existent when the estrogen level is normal? I mean, does arimidex "know" how much to inhibit the aromatase enzyme so the estrogen doesn't become too low, or does it always hit the aromatase enzyme with its full potential?

Aromatase inhibitor doesn't know shit,it will hiit the enzyme with its full potential.i know Steve advocates against estrogen being anything above normal range,sites that it is cancer causing etc at high levels but I don't agree,high test and/or high androgens can argue for the same,if so then none of use would dare to be above natty levels.Levels are as follows,crashed,(potential negative sides/consequences)below normal ,normal,above normal,high normal,,high above range (potential negative sides/consequences),the crashed /low below range and high above range is where AI should be implemented imo.anywhere else then our hormones will find homeostasis.

 

[GoldenPlague]

Aromatase inhibitor doesn't know shit,it will hiit the enzyme with its full potential.i know Steve advocates against estrogen being anything above normal range,sites that it is cancer causing etc at high levels but I don't agree,high test and/or high androgens can argue for the same,if so then none of use would dare to be above natty levels.Levels are as follows,crashed,(potential negative sides/consequences)below normal ,normal,above normal,high normal,,high above range (potential negative sides/consequences),the crashed /low below range and high above range is where AI should be implemented imo.anywhere else then our hormones will find homeostasis.

Well, I guess it would be better to start with tamoxifen only, and then start using arimidex when high estrogen symptoms become present.

As I said, starting with arimidex at the very beginning can crash my estrogen levels, if I use arimidex. But if I use tamoxifen, only the estrogen receptors in the chest will be suppressed, while aromatase enzyme and estrogen aren't affected.

So, even if I get high estrogen, I still won't get gynecomastia, even if I don't use arimidex. And when I do the blood test and it turns out estrogen is high, then I can deploy arimidex. But I don't want to use arimidex before I know for sure my estrogen is high, because if it isn't high but normal, arimidex will crash it.

Using tamoxifen and having temporarily elevated estrogen levels is unlikely to cause significant damage.

 

[GoldenPlague]

U don't know how he is gonna respond some people are super estrogen prone, id rather run AI day one then take a chance, the beauty is we all respond so differently that u can approach this many different ways, I can pin 200mg no AI no issue never pushed it above that, some people look at test and grow boobs, u just never know, depending on where he lives he can get his AI customized for me I got mine in .15mg a pill when I did run it so I could low dose it if I wanted it.

There must be a limit to how much testosterone the body can produce out of a specific dose of synthetic testosterone.

Here is an example: If the highest possible level (ng/dL) out of 100 milliliter of synthetic testosterone is 500 ng/dL, then I won't really be able to produce more than 500 ng/dL when I use 100 mg testosterone a week. Whatever level I get from such dose, it will be lower than 500 ng/dL.

If there is data on the highest level of testosterone ever recorded out of a specific dose of synthetic testosterone, I will know the EXACT dose I need.

 

[Mobster]

There must be a limit to how much testosterone the body can produce out of a specific dose of synthetic testosterone.

Here is an example: If the highest possible level (ng/dL) out of 100 milliliter of synthetic testosterone is 500 ng/dL, then I won't really be able to produce more than 500 ng/dL when I use 100 mg testosterone a week. Whatever level I get from such dose, it will be lower than 500 ng/dL.

If there is data on the highest level of testosterone ever recorded out of a specific dose of synthetic testosterone, I will know the EXACT dose I need.

But it'd be specific to that person. Not you. For example bodyfat, sheer size and bodyweight will all effect it

 

[Mobster]

This sounds dangerous. If, for example, a dose of 100 mg a week corresponds for 600 ng/dL, which is my current testosterone level, won't arimidex, the estrogen inhibitor I want to use, directly crash my estrogen and e2 levels?

In order for estrogen inhibitors to be safe, isn't it mandatory for estrogen levels to be above the normal level?

Any estrogen inhibitor will lower the estrogen level. If the estrogen level is normal, an estrogen inhibitor will lower it to below normal. If the estrogen level is above the normal level, an estrogen inhibitor will lower it to the normal level.

Unless arimidex induces an appropriate effect on the aromatase enzyme, it's dangerous to use it unless it's proven estrogen levels are above normal.

By "appropriate effect" I mean an inhibition that is always appropriate relative to the estrogen level. So is inhibition by arimidex stronger when estrogen is above normal, and lower to non-existent when the estrogen level is normal? I mean, does arimidex "know" how much to inhibit the aromatase enzyme so the estrogen doesn't become too low, or does it always hit the aromatase enzyme with its full potential?

Sounds vs is.

The issue, as I've addressed many times elsewhere is the grand theory of 'losing gains' vs having to deal with estrogen issues AFTER they've occurred. Think of it as trying to insure your car just after having a crash

 

[GoldenPlague]

But it'd be specific to that person. Not you. For example bodyfat, sheer size and bodyweight will all effect it

No, you didn't understand me.
I wasn't asking about individual metabolism.

Even with the best metabolism that can metabolize the most of a synthetic testosterone dose, any finite dose can provide only a finite amount of testosterone.

Although the level of testosterone (ng/dL) people get from synthetic testosterone vary among different people, there must be a specific limit to any specific testosterone dose that no matter how good the metabolism is, the limit can't be exceeded.

For example, regardless how good your metabolism is, you can never go beyond the maximum amount of testosterone a T injection of 100 mg a week can provide. 100 mg of the solution contain a finite amount of testosterone, not infinite.

Let's assume my metabolism hyper responsive. In this case, what is the testosterone level I can get from 100 mg?

 

[stevesmi]

This sounds dangerous. If, for example, a dose of 100 mg a week corresponds for 600 ng/dL, which is my current testosterone level, won't arimidex, the estrogen inhibitor I want to use, directly crash my estrogen and e2 levels?

In order for estrogen inhibitors to be safe, isn't it mandatory for estrogen levels to be above the normal level?

Any estrogen inhibitor will lower the estrogen level. If the estrogen level is normal, an estrogen inhibitor will lower it to below normal. If the estrogen level is above the normal level, an estrogen inhibitor will lower it to the normal level.

Unless arimidex induces an appropriate effect on the aromatase enzyme, it's dangerous to use it unless it's proven estrogen levels are above normal.

By "appropriate effect" I mean an inhibition that is always appropriate relative to the estrogen level. So is inhibition by arimidex stronger when estrogen is above normal, and lower to non-existent when the estrogen level is normal? I mean, does arimidex "know" how much to inhibit the aromatase enzyme so the estrogen doesn't become too low, or does it always hit the aromatase enzyme with its full potential?

If u run just a trt dose which is proper you won’t need an AI.

but that’s not what you said. You wanted to take higher doses and if you did then you balance estrogen. Blood work will guide you

 

[GoldenPlague]

If u run just a trt dose which is proper you won’t need an AI.

but that’s not what you said. You wanted to take higher doses and if you did then you balance estrogen. Blood work will guide you

I want to start with a minimal TRT dose, then do blood tests and increase the dose with 20 milligrams after each test so I can see at what testosterone level exactly the aromatization effects become problematic.

So if I start with 100 milligrams a week, will I need aromatase inhibitors?

 

[Seventieschild]

This guy rambles on n on n on.gives me a headache man

 

[Seventieschild]

Over thinking,over complicating all of it.just run a fucking dose or cycle and get bloods and adjust.it’s that straight forward.damn smh

 

[GoldenPlague]

Over thinking,over complicating all of it.just run a fucking dose or cycle and get bloods and adjust.it’s that straight forward.damn smh

I want to do it in a way that won't cause gynecomastia. That's why I'm thinking and planning so much...

 

[Seventieschild]

I want to do it in a way that won't cause gynecomastia. That's why I'm thinking and planning so much...

Like I said, overthinking,overcomplicating.over planning.start at trt doses,adjust and titrate up as you learn the compound,how you respond,etc,only way forward.

 

[Ori]

Like I said, overthinking,overcomplicating.over planning.start at trt doses,adjust and titrate up as you learn the compound,how you respond,etc,only way forward.

If he was going to train he would have started by now. He isn’t going to train if he’s waiting to be on steroids to do it, he will always have a new excuse not to train until he sorts his mental issues out.

 

[Seventieschild]

If he was going to train he would have started by now. He isn’t going to train if he’s waiting to be on steroids to do it, he will always have a new excuse not to train until he sorts his mental issues out.

He's a beta boy hey bro..lol