Winstrol is very effective on its own and yes 50mg per day is a very effective dose.  You should run it for about 4 to 6 weeks along with a proper diet and training program.  It will be just fine and beneficial to use Creatine, whey protein and your preworkout.  All of those supplements are fine to use on cycle.

bro winstrol is effective on it’s own but needs to stack with a SARM at least…like this

week 1-6
winstrol 50mgs/day
andarine 25mgs/day
cardarine GW 20mgs/day
n2guard 3caps/day

winny didn’t do much for me, but that’s just my experience with it, same with epistane, in fact epi gave me really bad acid reflux

dbol and superdrol gave me much better results (not cycled together though 😉 )

bro epistane and acid reflux? never heard of it but possible..what brand?

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and yeah, i’ve run superdrol, winny, dbol, halodrol as well, and epi is the only one that gave me acid reflux and it was fucking bad acid reflux :-X

and as far as orals go, the only ones that really gave me anything were dbol and superdrol, the other 3 didn’t really do much

bro might be the brand…interesting side effect as I never heard of acid reflux from epistane….and seems it’s not just the brand alone….you found it to be painful reflux or just temporary?

it’s was fucking brutal man! so i had to stop using it, but it didn’t start happening til the 4th or 5th week in

it was so brutal that i was almost in tears a few times, and i’m a bit of a tough guy so it’s not easy to make me cry, but epistane sure fucking did lol

it’s worst when you lay down and when i layed down to try and get some sleep BANG! it fucked me up real good

bro that’s terrible…you did anti acids I assume…

yep, and they even gave me a script for an acid reflux drug and i had to follow a very bland acid reflux diet for about 2 months til i stablized back to normal

usually my diet is absolute shit ie. cookies, fries, pizzas etc (it’s my diet now in fact) yet i’m still @ 7-8% bodyfat coz i keep the overall cals in check

but now i’m getting a diet service where they deliver per-arragnged meals to you which are healthy meals ie. low fat, sugar, cholesterol and lots of veggies

IMHO roids fuck over your heart more than your liver so if i eat very healthy that should help the heart health a bit more

bro you making some valid points about steroids…that’s why I stick to SARMS and mostly run TRT style doses with 1 hard cycle/year…

so what’s the story with sarms?

forgive my ignorance, but i’m rather clueless about them, although i could do a google search on them 😀

…bro sarms are basically selective androgen receptor modulators that give steroid-like results without the sides…bro check this url out can do some reading: http://www.evolutionary.org/steroids/SARMS

thanks man, i’ll check it out

Color me skeptical as I haven’t tried SARMS….but if they were as good as real steroids minus the sides…wouldn’t everyone be using them? Plus they are legal so why doesn’t GNC or other supp store sell them?

bro sarms aren’t legal…thats where you have it wrong…they are not classified as anything as they are a research chemical right now…once they become classified they’ll be made illegal…so right now they are legal for research use only…and hella effective…and bro, dont knock until you try….

Great Winstrol profile:

http://www.evolutionary.org/winstrol-stanozolol

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