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Beastdrol Problems

someone had said just run beast at 2 caps alone for my first go. do you think that would be safe enough?



how would you compare the two for first timers? thanks in advance gang, been contemplating what to do ever since i purchased the shredder stack and have been researching ad nauseum for almost a year now. just want to it right, and safe.

Yes, for your first cycle you could honestly even start out by using one cap of beast/day and see what that does for you. Than you could increase it to a max of 2 caps/day max. This is powerful stuff that can produce many sides that are intollerable to some. On the other hand, advanced users are using 3-4 caps/day but I for one will never be trying this. 2 was more than enough for me and I'm ending my last few days with only 1 cap and its still very intense.

Either try the above out or you could start out by 50mg/day of Hella, 1-2 caps depending on what dosage you have up to 75-100mg a day max. 50-75mg/day should be plenty for you and Hella 'can' be ran for up to 6 weeks as plasma levels start to peak around week 4 as where beast should only be ran for 3-4 weeks max. For beginners 3 weeks max, I know I couldn't go another week. 3 is enough for myself.
 
I know a lot of people that have gotten really good gains off of a 3 week cycle of 20 mgs of beast. Now this is also with a sound diet and training regimine. Without these two, any cycle is going to be pointless
 
I know a lot of people that have gotten really good gains off of a 3 week cycle of 20 mgs of beast. Now this is also with a sound diet and training regimine. Without these two, any cycle is going to be pointless

Well said bro.
 
thanks! think im going to run 2 caps of beast a day, for three weeks and then pct. no need in doing too much for my first go. with just beast, what pct do you think would be suffice? i have forged liver support, forged post cycle, sustain and liv 52. anything else?
 
thanks! think im going to run 2 caps of beast a day, for three weeks and then pct. no need in doing too much for my first go. with just beast, what pct do you think would be suffice? i have forged liver support, forged post cycle, sustain and liv 52. anything else?

you MUST have a SERM for a Beast PCT. Nothing sold on here will suffice.

Nolva, Torm, Clomid etc
 
why is that? im just trying to learn, and researching for over a year now it seems everyone says different things. thanks in advance!
 
If you've been researching for a year then you should know why. At least have one on hand. Beast will shut you down no doubt about it. And theres a big possibility of gyno etc.
 
If you've been researching for a year then you should know why. At least have one on hand. Beast will shut you down no doubt about it. And theres a big possibility of gyno etc.

Im gonna have to disagree with you on a serm being mandatory for beast pct. I do agree that you should have one on hand just in case.

I have seen lots of people who have taken beast and used otc products and have recovered just fine. (they did before and after blood tests thats how I know they recovered) But like has been said a million time not everyone is the same, and what works for one guy may not work for you.

With the wide array of pct products on the market I do think you can do with out a serm, but I still have one on havd to be safe.:batman:
 
thats just my point. i read that beast doesnt cause gyno, which is one reason i was interested in it. i know it shuts you down, but i also have read and been told by many "vets" that post cycle and sustain will be fine for pct. my research isnt in question, its all the different answers you get bro.
 
Beast can cuase prolactin/progestin gyno in some and it is something to pay attention to.
Im almost positive that its that form of gyno im still looking for m source to verify.

Its just in being as best prepared. Your best served to get blood tests before and after to make sure you are truly recovered.

I dont think australian is wrong, but it can be very neccesary for some peopke to have a serm. Its just not true in every situation.
 
Will taking Beastdrol give me gyno?

No, it will not. If you are prone to Gyno, it is suggested to run UNLEASHED for the whole eight (8) weeks of the cycle. In which case you would need two (2) bottles of UNLEASHED to complete your whole cycle.

this is off of every site that sells beast in its own description. i wonder why i thought otherwise. :001_rolleyes: i appreciate all the input and info, its so confusing when you read and hear so much different info regarding the same topic. i just want to make sure i do this the most safe and correct way possible. thanks for the input and keep it coming!
 
thats just my point. i read that beast doesnt cause gyno, which is one reason i was interested in it. i know it shuts you down, but i also have read and been told by many "vets" that post cycle and sustain will be fine for pct. my research isnt in question, its all the different answers you get bro.

If they are "vets" then i'd be very suprised if they've even heard of post cycle or sustain. You seem to be looking for enough people to tell you to go the non SERM route so you can justify doing it. I agree the PCT type supps coming to market are becoming very popular and often have a few blood tests to back it up which is great but going into the cycle without a SERM is just dangerous. If you don't end up using it then thats cool but get one either way. What are you going to do if you get gyno? And who the hell told you superdrol doesnt cause gyno??? it isnt meant to of course but there are literally hundreds of cases with people reporting gyno off superdrol (quite often a after PCT known as "rebound" gyno). The same can be said for Pherpaplex. I had a lump under my nip in under two weeks and the product write up clearly states its non aromatizing.

I suggest you search a board with a lot more logs on this product and learn some more before you do it. The cycle is the easy part, the PCT is what can cause the big problems.
 
im not justifying anything, i want to do it the right way. i cant help that the people that created this item gave a different description than you do. i would consider needto and nelson vets, as well as many that said i dont need a serm. and it seems that everywhere you turn someone has a different reason for why this works and why that doesnt. im actually thankful for our input, and will use it to make sure i do this the right way. the last thing i would do is jump into anything without knowing the correct way it should be done. i hope i dont seem to be condescending, i am appreciative of all the info i learn from you guys on here.
 
No problem at all. For some reason this site seems to be a bit of a cult and there's a tonne of newbies buying up these ph's then giving out terrible advice about them, which is the only reason i said to check out other sites. How many Beast logs are on here compared to say anabolic minds or bb.com etc? Very very few.

It was released as early as 2003, possibly earlier, its one of the most popular phs/steriod on the market. Loads of info out there on it.

The people that created this item want your money. Simple as that.
 
Exactley I look at all the sites as do many. Anabolics 2009 also has a ton of terrific info on everything from injectables to orals, serms, side effects, and anything in between
 
For some reason this site seems to be a bit of a cult and there's a tonne of newbies buying up these ph's then giving out terrible advice about them, which is the only reason i said to check out other sites.

agreed. i learned of this site from researching on other sites. im very thorough on anything i do, which is why i get so annoyed at all the mis info handed out so frequently about steroids and ph's. thanks again for all the help on this gang!
 
you MUST have a SERM for a Beast PCT. Nothing sold on here will suffice.

Nolva, Torm, Clomid etc
You are correct a Serum Or serum like compound is a great add to pct. Let me expand on this for you.

Phytoseruma are scientifically accepted SERMs from a botanical source...

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoserm[/ame]
So you mean scientifically accepted??? You mean every new steroid book that came out in 2009 has been stating this. HMMMMM I wonder why?? Maybe because the facts and reports are just to damn many to ignore and the clomid/nolva lover need to finely catch up with the rest of the world?

Sure the fda and medical comunity would love for everyone to keep believing that clomid and nolva are the only things that work. Of course they would love that and of course that is why there is millions of great studies out there showing them in the best light. But lets face it they are made by drug compnaies and made for a reason. That reason is to make money at all cost



Once praised for its benefits in preventing breast cancer recurrence, the lucrative pharmaceutical drug tamoxifen is now implicated in causing dangerous side-effects, including other types of cancers.

In the early 1970's, a shameful chapter closed on the widespread use of a known carcinogenic and endocrine-disrupting drug called DES (diethylstilboestrol), the first synthetic, non-steroidal estrogen drug. Against the advice of its creator, Sir Charles Dodd, between four and six million American and European women and 10,000 Australian women innocently used DES for the prevention of miscarriage and pregnancy complications.

In addition, DES became a popular though unproven drug for a variety of other conditions. It was used for the suppression of lactation, the treatment of acne, the treatment of certain types of breast and prostatic cancer, and as an inhibitor of growth in young girls, an estrogen replacement in menopause and a "morning after" pill.

It would take 30 years to accept what laboratory tests had indicated as early as 1938 — that DES was a highly dangerous and harmful drug. It was reported that, 20 years after taking DES, mothers had a 40 to 50 per cent greater risk of breast cancer than non-exposed mothers. In addition, the children of DES mothers showed a high incidence of reproductive abnormalities, miscarriages, vaginal cancer, testicular cancer, sterility and immune dysfunction. In fact, it is feared that repercussions of this drug will be felt for generations to come.

The irony of this entire debacle is that the medical establishment finally acknowledged that DES was useless in preventing miscarriages. Thus, DES, another disastrous experiment on women, was added to the long list of major medical blunders.

Out of this early research, a new drug appeared on the horizon which would be soon be heralded as a shining star in the war against the growing epidemic of breast cancer. In the late 1960's the pharmaceutical industry developed a drug called "tamoxifen". As a synthetic, non-steroidal compound with hormone-like effects (many of which are poorly understood), tamoxifen has a similar structure to DES. In fact, it was observed that tamoxifen caused the same abnormal changes seen in cells of women taking estradiol and DES. (1) This similarity raised alarm bells for some.

Pierre Blais, well known as a drug researcher who was ejected from Canada's health protection bureaucracy when he spoke out about silicone breast implants, describes the story of tamoxifen as "the story of modern drug design which produces garbage drugs". He says, "Good drug design ceased, unfortunately, in the 1930s." Tamoxifen, Blais asserts, "...is a garbage drug that made it to the top of the scrap heap. It is a DES in the making." (2)

Blais's dire predictions were ignored with the promise of a potential drug treatment for breast cancer. Tamoxifen was first approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use as a birth-control pill; however, it proved to induce rather than inhibit ovulation. Although tamoxifen didn't work as a contraceptive, it was found to lower mammary cancer rates in animals. Animal studies showed that tamoxifen prevented estrogen from binding to receptor sites on breast tissue cells. Tamoxifen also reduced the incidence of breast cancer in rodents after administration of a breast-carcinogenic substance. This discovery provided the impetus to study its effects in treating human breast cancer.

Estrogen is the common link between most breast cancer risk factors, i.e., genetic, reproductive, dietary, lifestyle and environmental. It both stimulates the division of breast cells (healthy as well as cancerous) and, especially in its 'bad' form, increases the risk of breast cancer. Thus, hormonal drugs such as tamoxifen that block the effects of estrogen on the breast were expected to reduce the risk of breast cancer recurring in women treated for breast cancer. (3)

Tamoxifen acts as a weak estrogen by competing for estrogen receptors much as phyto-estrogens do. Like phyto-estrogens, tamoxifen has mild estrogenic properties but is considered an anti-estrogen since it inhibits the activity of regular estrogens. More accurately, tamoxifen is an estrogen-blocker. It fights breast cancer by competing with estrogen for space on estrogen receptors in the tumor tissue. Every tamoxifen molecule that hooks onto an estrogen receptor prevents an estrogen molecule from linking up at the same site. Without a steady supply of estrogen, cells in an estrogen-receptor-positive (ER+) tumor do not thrive and the tumor's ability to spread is reduced. (4)

However, tamoxifen exhibited two conflicting characteristics. It could act either as an anti-estrogen or as an estrogen. Therefore, while tamoxifen is anti-estrogenic to the breast, it also acts as an estrogen to the uterus and, to a lesser extent, the heart, blood vessels and bone. So, although it initially showed the tendency to counter breast cancer recurrence, it would soon be revealed that it also promoted particularly aggressive uterine and liver cancers, caused fatal blood clots and interfered with many other functions.

Doctors, however, were quick to jump on the tamoxifen bandwagon, turning a blind eye to its more injurious tendencies. Starting in the 1970's oncologists began using tamoxifen to treat women with cancer, often in combination with other drugs, radiation or surgery such as lumpectomy and mastectomy, with modest success. Like DES, tamoxifen's benefits were then extended for use as a preventive against osteoporosis and heart disease.

Today, doctors are treating about one million American breast cancer patients with tamoxifen, about 20 per cent of them for more than five years. As studies published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 1989 and the Journal of the National Cancer Institute in 1992 showed, women with breast cancer who took tamoxifen reduced their chances of developing cancer in the other breast (contralateral cancer) by about 30 to 50 per cent. (3) These findings would later be challenged.

Tamoxifen is now recommended for all pre-menopausal women with hormone-positive cancers, as well as for most postmenopausal women with breast cancer and/or a growing number of women with hormone-negative cancers. Tamoxifen is currently used by more women with breast cancer than any other drug. (6)

Tamoxifen (brand name Nolvadex) is now the most widely prescribed cancer medication in the world. It generated revenues of US $265 million in 1992. By 1995, worldwide sales of Nolvadex reached $400 million. (7) And at AUD $90 for one month's supply, it doesn't come cheap (the Australian Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme covers $70).

Tamoxifen was developed by UK-based Imperial Chemical Industries (ICI), one of the world's largest multinational chemical corporations. Zeneca, an ICI subsidiary, is responsible for manufacturing and marketing the hormone and is now the world's largest cancer-drug company.
CARCINOGENENIC EFFECTS
It wasn't long before laboratory studies showed that tamoxifen acted as a carcinogen. It has been found that tamoxifen binds tightly and irreversibly to DNA, the genetic blueprint of a cell, causing a cancerous mutation to take place. Even Australia's conservative National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) warned that no amount of tamoxifen is safe when it comes to carcinogenic effects.

In California there is a law called "Proposition 65" that requires the state to publish and maintain a list of all known carcinogens. In May 1995, the state's Carcinogen Identification Committee voted unanimously to add tamoxifen to its list. Look it up I dare you to its there^^^^^^^


Other great and wonderful (using terms you love to throw around) Medically proven facts about nolva and clomid to



1. Nolva/clomid both raise shbg.
This is something I do not see a lot of people disusing so I I wanted to make it well know. Just do a web search on TAMOXIFEN,clomid or nolva raises shbg or any variation and you will get all the studies and prof you need.
Trait Anxiety and Tamoxifen Effects on Bone Mineral Density and Sex Hormone- Binding Globulin -- Cameron et al. 64 (4): 612 -- Psychosomatic Medicine
iHOP - Information Hyperlinked over Proteins [ SHBG ]
Sex Hormone Binding Globulin in Clinical Perspective; Acta Obstetricia et Gynecologica Scandinavica - 66(3):Pages 255-262 - Informa Healthcare
Wiley InterScience :: Session Cookies

2. Nolva lowers Igf-1 Again just a simple search on (TAMOXIFEN or nolva lowers IGF 1 and walla you got all the prof you need.

In This Issue -- 82 (21): 1661 -- JNCI Journal of the National Cancer Institute
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/reprint/49/7/1882.pdf
Effect of low dose tamoxifen on the insulin-like growth factor system in healthy women
Comparison of Tamoxifen and Testosterone Propionate in Male Rats: Differential Prevention of Orchidectomy Effects on Sex Organs, Bone Mass, Growth, and the Growth Hormone-IGF-I Axis -- Fitts et al. 25 (4): 523 -- Journal of Andrology


3. Nolva or clomid do not lower estrogen!!!!!!!! And when you come off of its not uncommon to have a estrogen rebound.

4. They can cause Major triglyceride and glucose problems and even to the point of Severe hypertriglyceridemia or also Pancreatitis

Severe hypertriglyceridemia caused by tamoxifen-tr... [Endocr J. 1997] - PubMed result
Tamoxifen-induced hypertriglyceridemia in association with diabetes mellitus - EM|consulte
SpringerLink - Journal Article
Capecitabine-Induced Severe Hypertriglyceridemia: Report of Two Cases -- Kurt et al. 40 (2): 328 -- The Annals of Pharmacotherapy
Elsevier: Article Locator
Estrogen and Triglycerides
http://annonc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/11/8/1067.pdf
WikiGenes - Hypertriglyceridemia


So I think its pretty damn safe to say the old "tried and true" methods of using nolva/clomid Are pretty damn flawed to say the least .

But yes you are correct a some serum Activity is a good idea during pct.:)


 
If they are "vets" then i'd be very suprised if they've even heard of post cycle or sustain. You seem to be looking for enough people to tell you to go the non SERM route so you can justify doing it. I agree the PCT type supps coming to market are becoming very popular and often have a few blood tests to back it up which is great but going into the cycle without a SERM is just dangerous. If you don't end up using it then thats cool but get one either way. What are you going to do if you get gyno? And who the hell told you superdrol doesnt cause gyno??? it isnt meant to of course but there are literally hundreds of cases with people reporting gyno off superdrol (quite often a after PCT known as "rebound" gyno). The same can be said for Pherpaplex. I had a lump under my nip in under two weeks and the product write up clearly states its non aromatizing.

I suggest you search a board with a lot more logs on this product and learn some more before you do it. The cycle is the easy part, the PCT is what can cause the big problems.
Let me tell you something friend. Many many vets have hear do using other products other then what you are talking about.

You came into this thread/forum talking like some kind of a vet. Talking like you knew more then the avg person and also like there was no vets here.

Let me make it clear I'm the vet here and i am about to school you my friend. From the comments you made above you have clearly and utterly proven to any and everyone just how little you really know. You have proven that you are spewing out pre generated crap that you have heard said over and over at what ever whole you crawled out of.

1. You just said use a serum from gyno!!!!!! You have got to be kidding me????

2. You are sitting here saying beastdrol aka superdrol causes rebound gyno (which is true) and then telling him to use nolva/clomid HA HA lamo which also causes rebound gyno!!!.

Serums do not, I repeate do not lower estrogen. what is estrogen rebound? do you even know? The beastdrol since it has Dht activity will lower estrogen ( hence why a lot of people get the dry look and the dry joints well on it) and when you come off its likely the hormone loop will try to bounce back. This will cause a high level of estrogen. Your anser to this problem is a nolvadex/clomid? OMG thats just great!!!

So now he will go into pct and his estrogen levels will go up (not down) and ether nolva or clomid will yes act like estrogen and take up the recpeptors well using it. But once he comes of this he WILL STILL HAVE HIGH LEVELS OF ESTROGEN and nice fresh open receptors waiting to suck it all up.

Yes its is very common to see estrogen rebound after using nolva. So much so that its spoken of in almost every profile write up about it
 
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