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Jesse87ray
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No just strange, I've be going with a ugl and the test cyp and tren I been running about a year and never has a smell.
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Shouldn't take long maybe few days I'm thinking but make sure your splitting your doses to get stable blood levels
buddhabuilder
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This just in;
Test 3907. Very good number for 600mg Test E a week, no doubt.
My Estro is too high, 61, which I believe was caused by my Aromasin crashing evidenced by crystals forming in the liquid. I tried warming it up to melt everything back together, but that appears to have been a waste of time. I got new Aromasin in last week and am dosing it at 12.5mg ED for a couple weeks, then back to 12.5mg EOD.
I give Express Domestic 2 enthusiastic thumbs up, and will post a picture before the end of the week.
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Test 3907. Very good number for 600mg Test E a week, no doubt.
My Estro is too high, 61, which I believe was caused by my Aromasin crashing evidenced by crystals forming in the liquid. I tried warming it up to melt everything back together, but that appears to have been a waste of time. I got new Aromasin in last week and am dosing it at 12.5mg ED for a couple weeks, then back to 12.5mg EOD.
I give Express Domestic 2 enthusiastic thumbs up, and will post a picture before the end of the week.
Check my thread for details.
Never give up!
Do you look a little more bloated and are you taking a ai
No I'm just asking but I'd say at least wait a week or so since its only been a few days
Is this your first time using dbol? I personally wouldn't use an ai throughout the dbol bc some of the fullness comes from the bloating or water weight dbol gives.my body handles estrogen very well so I only get a little bloated but you should always have a ai on hand anyways so its up to you
bigchief333
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Yeah that's just the raw, some compounds don't dissolve all the way no matter what you do, especially anavar and provi, Those tiny white specs you are seeing, those are the anavar.
Yeah everyone's different and reacts to things differently and some ppl expect a certain thing when running a compound for the first time going by what other ppl have said and don't experience it then automatically think its junk or something, I've seen it before, certain ppl get different results from different compounds. Me and npp don't really get along it does almost nothing for me but if I run deca I got awesome gains, doesn't make sense since there both nandralone but with different esters but idk that's just how it is.
Express Domestic really live up to their name. Order my gear on Friday, shipped out Saturday and got it yesterday....2 days t/a!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!! The packing was tight, safe and done real well. Communication was outstanding. Chief and his crew are on top of their game!! Oh pinned the Test Cyp last night, went in smooth, no pain and no pip. Looking to make some progress and gains with his gear. Happy dude here.
Express Domestic really live up to their name. Order my gear on Friday, shipped out Saturday and got it yesterday....2 days t/a!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!! The packing was tight, safe and done real well. Communication was outstanding. Chief and his crew are on top of their game!! Oh pinned the Test Cyp last night, went in smooth, no pain and no pip. Looking to make some progress and gains with his gear. Happy dude here.
Thanks for the feedback bro, glad to hear your happy. Our ta is starting to get back to normal now the overflow from the holidays seems to be getting increasingly better. But I always like to hear from customers so be sure to report back once the cyp kicks in and let us know how your liking it and gains and alike, thanks again bro happy growing.
If its your first time doing 25mgs split into two injections a day is best but if you don't want to jab yourself twice a day then just do 50mg about a hour and a half before working out
What, no absolutely not.
You can't drink injectable winny either?
Lol no you can't its injectable and doesn't effect you the same
Bigbird138
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Is your injectable dbol not 17a? What exactly do you do to alter it when it becomes injectable rather than oral?
Does it not become similar to EQ then?
Would the liver not be able to process it?
I'm not trying to be a pan in the ass but these are honest questions I'm curious about.
Thanks
If its winni suspension in water milky yes, in oil no you cant.
winni suspension is some painful stuff i prefer to drink it.
Brad.
winni suspension is some painful stuff i prefer to drink it.
Brad.
Yeah I guess if its a water suspension you technically can but it still can mess you up health wise bc don't forget there's solvents in there too so I would say no you can't drink anything injectable
17a? Are you referring to it being a methylated compound? You put oil and solvents in it to become injectable hence forth you should not ingest orally then. And dbol is no way really similar to eq
Bigbird138
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Yes I am referring to it being methylated. Sure, I understand that you shouldn't ingest the solvents, I was just wondering if you had made some other alterations which made it incapable of being broken down orally.
And brother, I'm sure you are aware that EQ is chemically very similar to dbol. Just a very small change is made.
just curious though bro, thanks for the reply.
(I've been looking into oral injectables and if there was any reduction in liver damage, hence my original question.)
It's only chemically similar and that's about it. Very few carbon atoms different but that is done in a lab where the compound is made, no ugl has such a lab to manufacture like that its a very stringent chemical process best left to the professionals but no there's nothing we can do to just change a already manufactured compound, even the chemists can't change a compound once its made is what I was trying to say. To answer your last question is no everything still passes through the liver in the end and if someone tells you different just tell them to ask a dr, however I personally like injectable versions bc it gives me piece of mind like it wouldn't effect my liver like a oral would even though I know the truth. Injecting will draw the process out a little longer so its not bam all at once to your liver but ultimately it is all the same. Hope I helped with all your questions if you need anything else just ask or pm and remember we love feedback and don't forget to vote once you've used our products long enough
Bigbird138
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Thank you for the explanation and again, not trying to give you a hard time, just wanted clarification from you that it is basically the same.
I agree with you. I ran some injectable drol not long ago and I did feel better with it vs oral.
I'm getting old and things like liver damage weigh into my decisions now lol.
I agree with you. I ran some injectable drol not long ago and I did feel better with it vs oral.
I'm getting old and things like liver damage weigh into my decisions now lol.
Yes as they do on mine too
Bigbird138
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Not sure who you were addressing that question to but tren absolutely makes you hella stronger. No question. Just doesn't last long once you are off.
Yes tren definitely does get you stronger
jake323
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Hey since you've probably tried all there stuff how'd you like the tren and how much did you use 1 ml or was it too strong?!
I personally don't use tren anymore, I did in my younger years and didn't like some of the long term effects
Shouldn't be too long if you want to know exactly come back a little later and I'll ask the chief bc he's probably sleeping right now
Yeah it does sound like it was probably straight bunk if you didn't get any bit stronger, if it turns out it was legit ik everyone has their compound that doesn't do jack for them but I never ever heard tren being anyone's lol mines npp its just a biological thing
Mrhat39
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What long term effects are you referring to?
Not a problem stay safe and get huge brother
Stumbotc
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Ok, I emailed my source yesterday and still having heard back from him. If I don't hear something by tonight I'll prob put in an order with chief. Been want to try his gear.
Well if you wind up ordering with us you'll of probably found your new go to after you used our products but that's up to you lmk if you wind up ordering
richiquick79
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This is the first community that I have felt like I'd like to get to know and learn from, so thanks guys. Second I placed an order with de2 as well so when I receive it and start I will post everything, I'd like to do this right, I know there are different rules and ways you guys like things done, please let me know and I'd be glad to provide that information. I have been training for over 15 years, all natural and have reached my natural limits and know in all honesty I can go no further and in fact my age is starting to play a role in many things in the gym so I'm taking the next step. I am open to help and advice, not saying I'll follow it all but I'll definitely put thought into it all. I do respect it takes time to earn trust and will hopefully meet your standards.
Yes it is, its on the site
Sust will be here under a week
Welcome and if you have any questions just ask
richiquick79
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Thanks, I'm still trying to catch up on all the tech out there, and I find it awesome that there are places like this to talk to people of like mind, I did find a few forums with extremely knowledgeable people but just a bit to negative for me, maybe I'm just behind the times but I don't see the point in being an ass to people I can't even get to lol. Again like I said maybe I haven't figure the way these things work, but I'm a grown man and don't find pleasure in being a gangster to people I can't get to. We all get mad but we are all on the same side here, I hope. This is a good spot for me, thanks for the welcome!
richiquick79
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Hey I have been waiting on the mast as well, site says out of stock, order anyway?
Hey I have been waiting on the mast as well, site says out of stock, order anyway?
Mast e is in stock on the site but mast p isn't, I'll get a eta on mast p hang on
richiquick79
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Nice! I'm only waiting on verification on my last order and the second will be out directly! I have done a bit of research and there are some things I'd like to take on a test run lol!
Mast p will be here around this time next week
Everything should be around a week
richiquick79
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What do you think is a reasonable expectation from a first cycle, with hard training and good diet? I do not have perfect genetics, I know my weak areas and areas that I pretty much have to come to grips with the fact I can only go so far, but otherwise, strength, and quality muscle gain?
I need more info in order to accurately answer you, weight, age, height, how long in bb, cycle compounds, cycle duration
richiquick79
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This is a whole new world for me. I have trained with great people learned and relearned over the years, leaned how to best train my body, and that no one is the same but this is a new animal and I would definitely love some advice from you guys. Should I change my training at all, or stay with the same style but increase weight and reps as I become capable? Should I cycle my training as I would to compete? Reps or weight?
richiquick79
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I am 35, currently 195, I trained for sports first, then power lifting, and the last 14 years just to devolp my body to my best potential. I took a break to let a shoulder injury heal but my strength is still close to what it was, slight drop in reps and need more recovery time but its coming back in leaps and bounds. I am 5 8" I am going to run a test bdol cycle, waiting now and excited about that.I have lost a great amount of muscle since I competed, I had to do a small period on chemotherapy and it destroyed my t levels and my insurance refused to pay my theorpy to get it back, so here I am. I do have a higher body fat level, 14-17%, and a lack of drive I pusk through out of pure love for the gym. This is how I can be me again, people do things for their own reasons, mine is just to feel like I once did, I have the okay from my doc, and the will. I just need the knowledge from you guys
You may want to run a test only cycle for your first cycle bc of higher bf and it being your first, maybe 250mg twice a week for 10 weeks of test e and if your diet is dialed in you can gain 20lbs
richiquick79
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Cycle length is another piece of advice I could use, I was thinking 8-10 weeks, but I get mixed answers from people. What is your thoughts? Should I wait and see how I feel or have a definite period? I have little in the way of people I would even involve in my choice to do this, people have big mouths and are rarely trustworthy, so if they don't need to know, they do not. I am a dad and although I do not feel this is anything wrong, others may not agree and I shelter my babies from that sort of attention. This is my go to source of humans I trust and have knowledge to give, not judgment of what they don't know. Sadly this is even the first forum I see men or ladies talking like adults and not angry people who train to get big to scare people away
richiquick79
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Nice, maybe I will do that. I did read so.etching similar and I do want this fat off! All that hard work under there drives me nuts, I know what I should look like but don't, frustrating as hell
Yeah as you progress you can add in masteron its great for cutting up, glad I can help
richiquick79
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Should I expect a drop in body fat as well? I will diet properly, I just have that low test level at the moment and IMO is the problem
Yes you should see a drop in bf especially if your diet is good
miahlaw13
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this may have already been addressed, but I was wondering what oil you guys use? I seen one guy said EO? and if some products use a different oil than others. I ask because the test E, EQ, I have severe PIP, test prop and mast prop, little to no pip. This is not at all a slam on your products. You guys are legit and I've used 5 or 6 different labs in my short span of running cycles and all but one I've had a reaction. My body just does not respond well to it. Unfortunately I get test flu and pip easily from most ugl's. Trying to figure out if its the oil or the ba or what that is setting me off.
Stumbotc
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I'm gonna order. Still hadn't heard back from the other guy. Thanks.
bigchief333
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This is the thing that makes it all so hard, see the two you are experiencing pip with are the ones that contain no eo, the test prop contains at least 25% depending on the year, the mast prop contains very little in the cold months. Everybody is different, we have had people say the test p gave them pip so bad they couldn't continue, some say the test e is the smoothest they have run, this is the first time we got a complaint on the eq. IT's just different people with different bodies, what we do is dial it in to our preferances, what gives us no pip because we run it. No matter what you do some people are compatible with certain products and some are not, any lab that has been around a little while will tell you the same, anybody who says we have the smoothest most pip free oils you will ever use knows nothing. There is no universal pip free product, not even universal pip free pharma product.
Sounds good bro remember let us know how you like everything and don't forget to vote once you've used our products long enough to be fully kicked in.
richiquick79
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I have to agree agree about the pip. People have to react differently to things, I little, very little experience but before I ordered anything I tried one injection of eq and one of test. I have a friend that use to use both, he told me all about the pain from test and how smooth eq was. I have a history with injections do to past medical issues so I said I'll try. The test was smooth and I didn't feel a thing but the eq had me jumping around with dead arm for a day and a half. Again, I have a lot of history with injections and pain but the eq was like a roll of quarters under my skin, it past and was not something I could tolerate, but it was reverse for us, maybe its like that for everyone.It wasn't this brand but I've got a good idea of what can happen, and he swore he only had that with the test e while that was nothing for me, pip free, but he couldn't believe how I reacted to the eq! It might be part of the reason I didn't order any lol
From what chief said yesterday everything will be about a week
richiquick79
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That's cool, a week is not bad. Besides rushing to do anything never turns out well for me.
Stick around for a while you'll see we sell out fast which makes it almost impossible to keep everything in stock at once
richiquick79
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You guys get me so damn hype! I can't wait for mine to get here, I haven't seen much growth in years, muscle maturity but no growth!
Good to here bro and thanks for coming back with the feedback and once everything has fully kicked in don't forget to vote
richiquick79
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You know what I could use advise about is site injection. Will site injection in certain areas help those areas grow faster? I have amazing genes for chest, back and shoulders, I look at weights and they swell right up, I kid you not! Then there are my arms, I feel like a t Rex! They are strong and defined but no size compared to my torso, I've tried reps, weight, shock training, undertraining, over training, once a week and several times a week, nothing.I had a year when they finally grew to what they are now, 19 and a half, then nothing. They pump up great, I always get the skin tearing feeling I love so much after a good workout but then they go flat again. Would site injections help?
richiquick79
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That would be nice lmfao. I guess me and the wife will be taking bumpy car rides a lot! Well after 8pm when the kids go to sleep lol! I swear they know when dad needs alone time and stay up extra late to torture me!
Site injection is more or less a myth unless your using synthol lol
richiquick79
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Nice! I was a dog by junior high school, married now but my wife has been with me for the long haul, so I'm hopi ng to give her the man she married back, physically and mentality! She says she doesn't care and loves me however I am but imagine what she has been through with me, a few great years, a decade and a half of prison time and then I come home seemingly fit as a horse and bam cancer and chemotherapy, loss of my build and drive, I am literally not the man she married, she is a trooper, a much stronger woman then me, she stood by me through so much! I just want to be the man she deserves, she doesn't fully get the damage done with the loss of my natural t-levels, she thinks I find her unattractive due to lack of sexual interests. I am capable but with no drive, poor woman! My doctor said go for it so I will!
If you had cancer I would stay away from hgh for obvious reasons
richiquick79
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Yupper, you definitely know your stuff! That's exactly what my doc said! That's why I like this site, and choose to deal with who I did! The good thing is I get steady labs, so we'll see everything as I go. I'll post everything as I get it and get advice from you guys, plus its good advertising lol.
It doesn't come easy I have roughly 8 years experience with aas and its knowledge but the good thing is I'm still learning stuff every day as science progresses. But quick tip when you want to reply to someone on here just hit the "reply with quote button" on the bottom right of the post, that way whoever your replying to will know its meant for them bc it can get confusing sometimes.
Stumbotc
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I will. I put in my order last night, gonna go pay for it this evening.
richiquick79
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Got you, thanks for the tip. I was wondering what those were for lol
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