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Paulo

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So im about 15 weeks into my current cycle and im hanging around 8%. I got another 5 weeks left as im taking Test C and Whinny. My comp is in November..i was wondering if you think i could keep running test C until the start of november? Or Should i cruise? How often should i take clen/when should i take it?

Current stats
23
5'9
8% BF
185 lbs

All my bloodwork is good and im not having any sides right now.
 
bro if contest close...run a cutting cycle...jr and musk pros are contest prep...
 
Bro these are some extremely novice questions no offense.... Post your entire cycle and dosages / layout and also future compounds/dosage


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Im currently taking
Test C at .8ml 2x a week
Whinny at 50mg a day

Im following the perfect PCT for pct. Im asking a competitor what i should take for my future compounds as iv never competed before so im not too sure what i should take the last 10 weeks
 
Im thinking of taking Test C at 1ml, Mast at 300mg a week (3x a week), and then clen 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Does anyone think this will be enough? Or should i try another mixture?
 
Hang on a sec...
What are you doing? Bodybuilding or physique?

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You didn't plan this too well. You may need to start at square one bud. No offense. You really wanna run a 30 week cycle?

I mean you could cruise 6 weeks. It when in November is your show? I need to know exactly how many weeks out you are to really give any advice. Are you using a coach?

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Jrbdallas said:
You didn't plan this too well. You may need to start at square one bud. No offense. You really wanna run a 30 week cycle?

I mean you could cruise 6 weeks. It when in November is your show? I need to know exactly how many weeks out you are to really give any advice. Are you using a coach?

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yeah man i didnt plan it out too well.. The comp is November 14th. My stepdad is my coach, he's an ex bodybuilder. And im doing physqiue
 
Paulo said:
yeah man i didnt plan it out too well.. The comp is November 14th. My stepdad is my coach, he's an ex bodybuilder. And im doing physqiue
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Oh ok. Well shoot. Physique isn't really something I know much about. I'm not gonna be able to give you too much detailed advice unfortunatly.
I'm sure cycling is not much different. Probably more lenient actually. If it was me, I would probably either pic a different show coming sooner or pull out and restart.

The cruise you could do would just derail your progress. And put you in a tight situation as you go into full on prep mode

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If there is a slim chance your in DFW, I could point you to a couple people who coach physique. Decent pricing too.

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Jrbdallas said:
If there is a slim chance your in DFW, I could point you to a couple people who coach physique. Decent pricing too.

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yeah this show is the closest one and its right here in new england which is why i want to do it. So you dont think a 30 week cycle is the right choice?
 
What's your cycle experience? Are you on trt or doing blast cruise as it is?
Man I'm hitting an almost 20 week cycle and litterly hoping I don't die. Lol. Prep is no joke. Puts your body through hell man.
Is this your first show?



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Jrbdallas said:
What's your cycle experience? Are you on trt or doing blast cruise as it is?
Man I'm hitting an almost 20 week cycle and litterly hoping I don't die. Lol. Prep is no joke. Puts your body through hell man.
Is this your first show?



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this is my second cycle of injectables, iv done prohormones too. Im feeling great as im closing in on week 20. No sides, just some acne, bloodework and BP is all g2g. This is my first show and i want ot do what ever it takes to come in first. I usually blast, pct, recover, blast, pct recover previously but i was thinking of crusing as the show isnt far away and i know i can win
 
What cycle you planning to do into your prep? Basically if you blast, what are you blasting up to the day of?

There's nothing wrong with blast cruise, it's awesome. That's what I do. As long as your committed to dealing with the potential negatives you could encounter.

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Jrbdallas said:
What cycle you planning to do into your prep? Basically if you blast, what are you blasting up to the day of?

There's nothing wrong with blast cruise, it's awesome. That's what I do. As long as your committed to dealing with the potential negatives you could encounter.

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I was honestly thinking Test C @ 1ml a week, Mast @ 300 mg a week (100mg/e2d) and then cycle clen when i feel its needed (2 weeks on 2 weeks off) until comp then jump straight into a pct and bulk
 
Paulo said:
I was honestly thinking Test C @ 1ml a week, Mast @ 300 mg a week (100mg/e2d) and then cycle clen when i feel its needed (2 weeks on 2 weeks off) until comp then jump straight into a pct and bulk
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Sooooooooo some things to fix there.

First of all test c would be not advised cause of the water retention. Infact your last week maybe two depending on your body, you won't want to run test at all. Mast is not going to cut it on its own...

Ideally you need to get on short esters 8 weeks out.

As far as clen goes. I would avoid it. Especially since your gonna need to hit cardio a lot.

How are you planning to drop water on the last week? Even dropping the test, youl need to do a final depletion of water. Typically water cycling is the safest. Most guys will push you towords diuretics. Il be doing dyazide personally. Bit safer than lasix seeing it's potassium sparing. I'm only doing this cause my lower back seems to wanna hold water. it really just depends on how you feel and look as you get ready for the stage.

The type of cycle I person would advice is much much more complex than what your probably expecting. even physique has a lot.of complexities. It's hard since I don't know a ton about it but I know enough to cover the basics.

I would really advise you to get back to ground zero and do a full prep where you can really give it your all.


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Jrbdallas said:
Sooooooooo some things to fix there.

First of all test c would be not advised cause of the water retention. Infact your last week maybe two depending on your body, you won't want to run test at all. Mast is not going to cut it on its own...

Ideally you need to get on short esters 8 weeks out.

As far as clen goes. I would avoid it. Especially since your gonna need to hit cardio a lot.

How are you planning to drop water on the last week? Even dropping the test, youl need to do a final depletion of water. Typically water cycling is the safest. Most guys will push you towords diuretics. Il be doing dyazide personally. Bit safer than lasix seeing it's potassium sparing. I'm only doing this cause my lower back seems to wanna hold water. it really just depends on how you feel and look as you get ready for the stage.

The type of cycle I person would advice is much much more complex than what your probably expecting. even physique has a lot.of complexities. It's hard since I don't know a ton about it but I know enough to cover the basics.

I would really advise you to get back to ground zero and do a full prep where you can really give it your all.


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so you're saying i should just pct and wait for another compeition? Blah i was really hoping to compete
 
Paulo said:
so you're saying i should just pct and wait for another compeition? Blah i was really hoping to compete
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Well what are your goals? Just to say you did it or are you looking to continue to move up with it? Both are fine but if your looking to bring the A game I'd pull out and get this pct out of the way. Dedicate a cycle specifically to prep.

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Jrbdallas said:
Well what are your goals? Just to say you did it or are you looking to continue to move up with it? Both are fine but if your looking to bring the A game I'd pull out and get this pct out of the way. Dedicate a cycle specifically to prep.

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well i 100% want to win. If im going in im going in to win it. My buddy just did his first comp and came in first but im not sure what he cycled. But whether i compete or not i want to still get leaner atleast to 6% bf and maintain that until my next comp
 
The thing is, is if i come in first for this thing i get nationally ranked, and my buddy who took 1st in 5 divisions last comp isnt competeing so il have a better chance at coming in 1st seeing as most of the serious competitors have already qualified and are worried on bulking for the nationals.
 
What's your diet like?

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Paulo said:
well i 100% want to win. If im going in im going in to win it. My buddy just did his first comp and came in first but im not sure what he cycled. But whether i compete or not i want to still get leaner atleast to 6% bf and maintain that until my next comp
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So I was reading through this post and I felt I could help so I joined the forum. Anyway I compete in physique and also coach physique. Its very hard to give you an exact protocol not knowing you, seeing you and how your body responds to food training and drugs.
List of compounds frequently used in Physique
1.Test. I run test e. Some prefer prop. The whole prop holds less water is bs. If diet and estrogen is kept in check you wont hold water
2.Masteron.
3.Tren. I don't recommend tren for a prep until you have used it before. Some cant handle it..
4. Eq. Not worth it if your running it less then 16 weeks or so.
5. Winni. Oral or injectable its up to you
6. Halo
7 Aromatase inhibitor. Arimidex or Aromasin I like Aromasin (suicide Inhibitor) Letro

Again these are just a guide line. Don't ask how much of each compound and when to add what. I couldn't tell you without knowing a lot more. Plus I charge for that information.
 
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What's your diet like?

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Very clean. Im doing 50g fats, 250g protein, 230 carbs (slowly cutting down fats/carbs as comp is closer as i dont want to just shock the body into a deficite) and im around 2700-3k calories. I do 2 refill days on the weekend while recover and il do jump rope for cardio 2 times a day on those recover days (30 minute sessions of JR) and il eat around 320 carbs and 70g fats those 2 days and stay around 33-3400 calories
 
I'm a men's physique competitor. Here's my plan for the last 9 weeks of my prep:

Primo e 700mg week
Tren ace 75 mg ED
Test prop 75 mg ED
Mast prop 100mg ED
Winny suspension 50mg

Soon I will add albuterol and t3, two weeks on two weeks off with those ones.

About a week out from the comp I'll drop the test prop so I can have all nonaromatizing compounds.
 
Paulo said:
Very clean. Im doing 50g fats, 250g protein, 230 carbs (slowly cutting down fats/carbs as comp is closer as i dont want to just shock the body into a deficite) and im around 2700-3k calories. I do 2 refill days on the weekend while recover and il do jump rope for cardio 2 times a day on those recover days (30 minute sessions of JR) and il eat around 320 carbs and 70g fats those 2 days and stay around 33-3400 calories
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Carbs are way way to high for prep.

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Aesthetics907 said:
I'm a men's physique competitor. Here's my plan for the last 9 weeks of my prep:

Primo e 700mg week
Tren ace 75 mg ED
Test prop 75 mg ED
Mast prop 100mg ED
Winny suspension 50mg

Soon I will add albuterol and t3, two weeks on two weeks off with those ones.

About a week out from the comp I'll drop the test prop so I can have all nonaromatizing compounds.
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That's a pretty solid cycle.

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Most people will carb cycle. Depends on the individual. Certainly not above 200 though. Even on high days. Keep it clean as possible. Usually my highest I ever get is a day off and I will maybe get 150-175

As I cycle down I will go as low as 25.



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As far as should you run that cycle? No... could you? Yes. But again your already 15 weeks in. That's the issue. If you were prepping on time I'd say ya hit it being you wanna cruise and then hit that I would not advise it.

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Jrbdallas said:
As far as should you run that cycle? No... could you? Yes. But again your already 15 weeks in. That's the issue. If you were prepping on time I'd say ya hit it being you wanna cruise and then hit that I would not advise it.

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Could i just keep blasting until my comp then not cruise and just straight PCT?
 
Paulo said:
Could i just keep blasting until my comp then not cruise and just straight PCT?
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Ya lol I've seen people do it. Your really risking it though and may seriously shut yourself down. I'd say if you rate your options from best to worst. That would be the absolute worst option.

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You may have to do an HPTA restart for blasting that long. That's almost half a year.

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Paulo said:
Should i do that cycle? And where should i keep my carbs for 11 weeks out?
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You kind of have to play around and find a cycle you like and one you can tolerate. I'm running a lot of compounds that are rough on your hairline, so if you're prone to male pattern baldness this cycle isn't for you. I've found lower test works good for me, I just keep it in there to keep my sex drive normal. Tren is a different monster, and can make you miserable from sides, but what it can do to your physique is amazing.

Also, I'm running Winny suspension for longer than normal. If you run it that long, be very careful and take good liver and cholesterol support. Especially harsh on lipids with tren in the mix.

Bottom line, use "dry" compounds at this stage of your prep. Throw in a cutting agent like Clen (I prefer albuterol) or t3 and it'll help with fat loss.

Carb cycling is great, helps keep you sane with having those high carb days, since low carb days are brutal haha.
 
Blah alright guys thanks for the info/help. I guess ima just have to take it on the chin and not compete i guess.
 
Paulo said:
Very clean. Im doing 50g fats, 250g protein, 230 carbs (slowly cutting down fats/carbs as comp is closer as i dont want to just shock the body into a deficite) and im around 2700-3k calories. I do 2 refill days on the weekend while recover and il do jump rope for cardio 2 times a day on those recover days (30 minute sessions of JR) and il eat around 320 carbs and 70g fats those 2 days and stay around 33-3400 calories
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I'm curious why your fats are so high on refeed days. I'd assume you'd want high carbs, protein at 1g/lb of body weight, and fats as low as possible. At least that's what I've always been told for refeed days. It's just odd that your fats are higher on refeed days than regular days. Refeed is all about refilling glycogen stores, carbs should be your main concern those days.
 
Aesthetics907 said:
I'm curious why your fats are so high on refeed days. I'd assume you'd want high carbs, protein at 1g/lb of body weight, and fats as low as possible. At least that's what I've always been told for refeed days. It's just odd that your fats are higher on refeed days than regular days. Refeed is all about refilling glycogen stores, carbs should be your main concern those days.
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Well here is the thing about refeeds... they are not needed. Not essential. Yes this is the purpose but it's not required. You could get further with out them in my opinion. Unfortunately I'm not that disciplined lol.

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Ya man if you feel you can hit that stage and take it home then do it. I just want to make sure you know the likely hood in actuality is probably low. There's a lot to prep people don't realize till they actually do it. Man I though I'd fuck shit up like no other. Till I prepped.... now I know lol.

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Bodybuikding has a lot more too it but physique is very very political. Idk how it is where you are. My state is the fucking worst for all divisions. Huge huge bodybuilding community. I feel like a lurk just hanging out at the gym waiting to get some face time with the judges. They pop in constantly.

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And at the end of the day brotha you gotta remember there will always be another show. What your messing with though would jeopardize your health and in the long run probably not be the wisest decision.

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This was taken 1 week ago. You guys think i should go for it?
 
You have a great physique. Man... lol I hate giving advice in these situations cause really you could seriously fuck your shit up blasting that long.

If you must compete this show start cruising now. Run your bloods after a month. Keep your shit ultra clean. Like zero room for error. And then blast 8 weeks out.

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Jrbdallas said:
You have a great physique. Man... lol I hate giving advice in these situations cause really you could seriously fuck your shit up blasting that long.

If you must compete this show start cruising now. Run your bloods after a month. Keep your shit ultra clean. Like zero room for error. And then blast 8 weeks out.

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Thank you man means a lot (all your advice and knowledge is really helping me right now). The reason i want to do this show so bad is because i know i could come out on top especially if im as serious as im going to be about it. I think i might cruise like you said and then run bloods and go from there?
 
Paulo said:
Thank you man means a lot (all your advice and knowledge is really helping me right now). The reason i want to do this show so bad is because i know i could come out on top especially if im as serious as im going to be about it. I think i might cruise like you said and then run bloods and go from there?
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That is the best option in my opinion if you want to do this show. if you can keep the diet and training on point 8-9 maybe 10 weeks is enough to blast and be effective. You will run short ester anyway

You gotta stay safe man. Your first show is not the only goal. Need to be around and healthy for many shows to come!

If there is anything I can do at all let me know. Again I compete in the bodybuilding division but I know a lot of physique guys. My coach actually competed in a show where he did both divisions and placed extreame well lol.

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Jrbdallas said:
That is the best option in my opinion if you want to do this show. if you can keep the diet and training on point 8-9 maybe 10 weeks is enough to blast and be effective. You will run short ester anyway

You gotta stay safe man. Your first show is not the only goal. Need to be around and healthy for many shows to come!

If there is anything I can do at all let me know. Again I compete in the bodybuilding division but I know a lot of physique guys. My coach actually competed in a show where he did both divisions and placed extreame well lol.

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Thank you boss i will keep you posted on results and how things are going/when i compete il post some pics
 
Sounds good man. Feel free to holler at me anytime. Muskate ain't on here today. He's a wealth of information for competing. He will chime in here probably tomorrow I'm sure.

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Paulo said:
Im thinking of taking Test C at 1ml, Mast at 300mg a week (3x a week), and then clen 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Does anyone think this will be enough? Or should i try another mixture?
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I would not recommend clen, or any of the simpathomimetics. Cardarine GW and S4 would be a much better option - they are much safer, non-catabolic (unlike clen), and you can run them for a longer period of time. Besides, the huge boost in endurance and recovery from cardarine will help you a lot with cardio, which, in turn, will help with losing even more fat.
 
Paulo said:
So im about 15 weeks into my current cycle and im hanging around 8%. I got another 5 weeks left as im taking Test C and Whinny. My comp is in November..i was wondering if you think i could keep running test C until the start of november? Or Should i cruise? How often should i take clen/when should i take it?

Current stats
23
5'9
8% BF
185 lbs

All my bloodwork is good and im not having any sides right now.
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If your competition is in November, now is not the time to lighten up. Ideally you would of waited to start your cycle closer to your show.

I would drop the testosterone to a TRT dosage (100-200mg/week) and add in masteron at 300mg/week and trenbolone at 300mg/week. Use winstrol the last 4 weeks before your show at 50mg/day with n2guard at 7 capules/day.

After your cycle run the perfect PCT protocol. http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
 
Jrbdallas said:
Well here is the thing about refeeds... they are not needed. Not essential. Yes this is the purpose but it's not required. You could get further with out them in my opinion. Unfortunately I'm not that disciplined lol.

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9 times out of 10, the reseed someone takes is not needed.

Refeeds are only really needed when you are PEELED and very close to competition and have the risk of loosing muscle.
 
LevButlerov said:
I would not recommend clen, or any of the simpathomimetics. Cardarine GW and S4 would be a much better option - they are much safer, non-catabolic (unlike clen), and you can run them for a longer period of time. Besides, the huge boost in endurance and recovery from cardarine will help you a lot with cardio, which, in turn, will help with losing even more fat.
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I agree with this completely. Clen often does more harm then good. You won't need it with how lean you already are. Use SARMS instead.
 
LevButlerov said:
I would not recommend clen, or any of the simpathomimetics. Cardarine GW and S4 would be a much better option - they are much safer, non-catabolic (unlike clen), and you can run them for a longer period of time. Besides, the huge boost in endurance and recovery from cardarine will help you a lot with cardio, which, in turn, will help with losing even more fat.
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I agree with this completely. Clen often does more harm then good. You won't need it with how lean you already are. Use SARMS instead.
 
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thank you very much brotha this is gonna be what il try. What kind of tren do you think?
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Ideally acetate.tren is not gonna hold water down on you. Enanthate would serve the purpose as well. Personally I use enanthate now with my acetate just to get me the dose I need.

I need to push real real hard. Enanthate allows me an additional 600mg of tren easy each week. In total I run about 2 grams. Just under actually.

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My dosing is ridiculous. I've never been so fucked up. It's showing big time now like there is no question I'm on gear if random people were to just look at me.
But I can't sleep. My cravings are killing me and the anger is above all,else out of control. Lol luckily not far to go now...

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Jrbdallas said:
My dosing is ridiculous. I've never been so fucked up. It's showing big time now like there is no question I'm on gear if random people were to just look at me.
But I can't sleep. My cravings are killing me and the anger is above all,else out of control. Lol luckily not far to go now...

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haha you're a savage brother. I dont think my body could handle/needs that much right now (im no where as close to as big as you) i think im going to try dropping test to 100-200mg a week, tren at 300 and mast at 300 and see how it goes
 
I dont think if i got rage too hard at school it would be good for the people around me..i already have a short temper
 
And has anyone tried the Winstrol water solution from PSL? I have orals from there but i think i might order the liquid form..im confused though since it says water solution would it still be an injectable or a liquid i use a dropper for?
 
You look nice,bro.
I would recommend you
test prop 300mg per week
Tren ace 350-400 per week
Some proviron 50-75mg per day for now
Then 4 weeks before competition
Add winny 350 per week
And 2 weeks out change test prop for masteron 400 per week
And you will be as hard as rock.
Also I would recommend you to lower your fat consumption to about 20-30 grams per day
Carbs 100-150 depends on your metabolism
 
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I dont think if i got rage too hard at school it would be good for the people around me..i already have a short temper
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Oh dude I'd fight an old lady or small child at this point. I punched a whole through my kite counter cause I hit my head on the cabinet.

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Gramazila said:
You look nice,bro.
I would recommend you
test prop 300mg per week
Tren ace 350-400 per week
Some proviron 50-75mg per day for now
Then 4 weeks before competition
Add winny 350 per week
And 2 weeks out change test prop for masteron 400 per week
And you will be as hard as rock.
Also I would recommend you to lower your fat consumption to about 20-30 grams per day
Carbs 100-150 depends on your metabolism
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Thank you man. My metabolism is fast AF so i think i could actually stay around 150 carbs. Working on lowering fats now
 
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Oh dude I'd fight an old lady or small child at this point. I punched a whole through my kite counter cause I hit my head on the cabinet.

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Thats awesome, hopefully no foot fairies get in my way at school or im throwing them across campus
 
Jrbdallas said:
Oh dude I'd fight an old lady or small child at this point. I punched a whole through my kite counter cause I hit my head on the cabinet.

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Thats awesome, hopefully no foot fairies get in my way at school or im throwing them across campus
 
Gramazila said:
You look nice,bro.
I would recommend you
test prop 300mg per week
Tren ace 350-400 per week
Some proviron 50-75mg per day for now
Then 4 weeks before competition
Add winny 350 per week
And 2 weeks out change test prop for masteron 400 per week
And you will be as hard as rock.
Also I would recommend you to lower your fat consumption to about 20-30 grams per day
Carbs 100-150 depends on your metabolism
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any foods you recommend for low fat throughout the day? Im going to school and i want to get a shopping list before i head back..I have a lot of chicken and eggs right now in my diet but i wanna know if theres any secret foods you guys eat that are good tasting and no carbs/fats besides meats. Im stuggling to keep my fats under 50, carbs at 150. My current protein is around 300grams a day and my calories are at like 2600-2700. Im gaining strength though, i did 315x3 bench today for the first time
 
Egg whites,chicken , turkey, tilapia, tuna, lean beef, sometimes salmon, fish oil, almond or almond butter (all natural without adds in it), extra virgin olive oil or I prefer linseed oil. As for carbs I prefer oats and rice
 
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