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Jas84
Proficient Brother
How's it going guys?? Just wanted to pop in and introduce myself... I've been a member of Ef for a while however never really posted much just soaked up all the info I could.. Same with this forum I've been around for a little while with a post here and there. I want to thank all you guys for the info you posted, I'm going to brew my first batch of test e this weekend, got 100g of raw, only going to make 50ml my first attempt so I don't screw up and waste all my raw.
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krazieone56
New Member
50ml at what concentration?
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Welcome, nice to have you. I always suggest running a small test batch. I did that for all new compounds I brewed and then a few more times until I was very familiar with the process.
If you are brewing Test E, its pretty simple, I might even suggest toying with your formula a bit. If you go for 250mg/ml you will see that it hold incredibly easy even without BB, I brew at 350mg with no BB. It s a little thick to filter but it holds.
Let us know if you need any help or just want to comment along with your brew progress. FYI extra points for gear porn! LOL
Jas84
Proficient Brother
Thanks mh48500... I will most def be dropping here and asking for help if I run in to any issues... I do have a couple questions that I haven't been able to find a answer to... Since I am only going to be make 50ml this time around, I will be using syringe filters, how many ml per filter could I push through it? Just to play it on the safe side I was going to swap it out every 10ml... Also I know from reading all the threads I've looked at and personal experience that test 250 has almost no pip, but I would like to eliminate it completely by doing a 50/50 mix with eo and gso, what do you vets on here think?
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krazieone56
New Member
I always do %100 eo. But yes 50-50 will thin it out nicely
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bobsyouruncle
Buff Brother
Use one filter for the whole brew but have more on hand incase you blow it out and keep your gear at about 250-260deg it'll filter much easier
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I personally dont see the need to use the EO. If this is your 1st ever brew, then keeping it as simple as possible would be best. EO is mostly used to hold higher concentrations, like 150mg Test Prop, Test E holds effortlessly at 250mg/ml.
In the end its personal choice.
A Whatman brand filter should get you through the entire 50ml. Just have some on hand in case you blow one.
krazieone56
New Member
krazieone56
New Member
Mh clear ur inbox
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All clear brother!
krazieone56
New Member
So I used my first bottle top today. All I can say is why the fuck havnt I been using it all this time. Bought a $7 vaccum pump from harbor freight.
It literally filtered 175 ml in 2 seconds.
Now the weird thing is I went to wash it with soap. To clean it. And it literally started to eat the bottom of the bottle top
Is it a one use thing? Cause trying to wash it ruined it.
Do they make a glass bottle top set up that can be reused?
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It literally filtered 175 ml in 2 seconds.
Now the weird thing is I went to wash it with soap. To clean it. And it literally started to eat the bottom of the bottle top
Is it a one use thing? Cause trying to wash it ruined it.
Do they make a glass bottle top set up that can be reused?
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krazieone56
New Member
devildog
Evolutionary Retired
Lol! You used what's called a complete filter. It's a one time use. Did you really try to clean out the receiver? How were you gonna sterilize it? LOL!!! Sorry.
Anyhow, yes, you can buy the steritop, and use glass receivers. Of course, you'll have to sterilize the receivers before use, plus make sure they're the same size as your steritop.
krazieone56
New Member
Well I was going to wash it dry it and wipe it down w benzyl alcohol and a sterile wipe but OK.
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krazieone56
New Member
They r cheap tho so one time use is fine.
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GringoLoco
New member
I don't know about everyone else, but I feel the sterilization of glass receivers is greatly worthwhile after having a few different types of the disposable plastic receivers fail to hold and lose vacuum through pinhole air leaks. Sterilization is a piece of cake with an autoclave!
I really like the Whatman Zapcap filters for filtering into vacuum flasks.
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krazieone56
New Member
I don't think there is a reason to laugh at me though. Never used one before so lesson learned I suppose.
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devildog
Evolutionary Retired
I wasn't laughing per se. Didn't mean to offend.
krazieone56
New Member
Its fine. But ya, besides the fact that the attempt to clean was silly being its a one timer. What I felt was odd was that the soap literally ate the plastic and it was gooey inside. That was weird.
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devildog
Evolutionary Retired
If you don't want to autoclave, these are sturdy, and do well: http://www.medical-and-lab-supplies...cup-complete-filter-units-500-ml-count-1.html
GringoLoco
New member
Most likely a chemical reaction with the solvents.
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krazieone56
New Member
But anyway, the use of it is by far worth it. So easy. Literally instantly filtered.
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GringoLoco
New member
Good to know, thank you. Although, what are your thoughts on using PVDF membranes to filter gear with BB? I've always stuck to nylon
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GringoLoco
New member
devildog
Evolutionary Retired
Soapy water shouldn't do that. I'd email the company and ask them why this happened. If they don't know, I'd ask them for a refund, or different brand complete filter units sent to you, so you can re-filter what you have. And btw, hopefully they don't laugh about wondering why you washed out a one time filter receiver. Lol!!! Sorry. It actually caught me a little funny.
My sense of humor is wacky I guess.
devildog
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krazieone56
New Member
It was bought from med lab supply.
And a sense of humor is OK with me but not usually at my expense. But I'm a big boy it's fine. I can take it.
Why would I refilter?
I filtered my stuff and bottled it and then washed the container. So my gear is fine.
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krazieone56
New Member
http://www.medical-and-lab-supplies...erile-filter-units-150ml-55mm-dia-filter.html
This is what I used.
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This is what I used.
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krazieone56
New Member
devildog
Evolutionary Retired
If soapy water applied to that plastic receiver post-brew caused a reaction that melted the plastic, yes I'd re-filter it. And I apologize. Just caught me a little funny, that's all. I'm sure if you email them about what happened, they'll probably send you replacements if you ask.
How much EO was used and how long did it sit there eating and wreaking the plastic before it was pulled out?
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krazieone56
New Member
All good on that.
But your are misunderstanding.
I opened it from being sealed in its package. Then filtered my gear. Then, when done and all was bottled I washed it out. It was already filtered bottled and good to go.
I'm still not seeing the need to refilter it.
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But your are misunderstanding.
I opened it from being sealed in its package. Then filtered my gear. Then, when done and all was bottled I washed it out. It was already filtered bottled and good to go.
I'm still not seeing the need to refilter it.
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Pvdf is the way to go. I heard nylon is the fastest but all are still pretty fast so no need. As far as Bb, Pvdf is g2g. All should be find for BB. EO is a different story,
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krazieone56
New Member
Half eo half gso.
It was in there less than 2 min. I draw with a 50ml syringe and filled 3 50 ml bottles and a couple 10's
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I believe he is saying even if it happened post brew refilter because that is not normal. The plastic could of been beaten down by the solvents prior.
I like the all in ones but EO I always use glass
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devildog
Evolutionary Retired
LOL!!!!!! Side is aching now! Lol!!!
(Sorry krazieone. Every now and then, something sneaks up on me as a funny.)
devildog
Evolutionary Retired
I understand you brewed the gear, then washed the receiving container out after use. Also, the fact that the plastic reacted this way with soapy water should be of concern, and I wouldn't inject it. Oh no. Not until re filtered.
GringoLoco
New member
All citable sources I've found consistently say that there is no current compatibility data for Benzyl Benzoate and PVDF membranes. Not saying I haven't them with gear containing BB in the past, but the scientific community isn't sure about it so I'll wait until there's conclusive data haha.
http://www.nationalscientific.com/support/pdf/NS-SyringeFilterMembraneComp-Chart.pdf
GringoLoco
New member
Has anyone here used a Buchner Funnel/Receiver flask setup?
Nice chart. I'm gonna save that.
It says no data. If it didn't work we would of heard it by now. It's popular stuff
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GringoLoco
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krazieone56
New Member
Ok.... I'm gonna try again.
Please explain why you want me to refilter.
I get you are saying don't inject it and refilter first but you arnt telling me why
The receiver sat there for at least ten min with no reaction with leftover solution in it. Solution coated to the walls of the container.
The reaction happened when water hit the bottle.
So I'm failing to see why I should be concerned about my gear.
So if you could explain why I should refilter specifically so I can understand that would be great.
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krazieone56
New Member
OK. But, if the solution reacted with the plastic which could of been defective. Basically u are saying that it could have eroded the plastic and absorbed that into my solution meaning to me refiltering isn't going to work and the batch is probly ruined.
To refilter is for impurities but if the chemical makeup of the plastic is now part of the batch a filter won't remove that.
Should I just dump it?
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devildog
Evolutionary Retired
After the harsh reaction that occurred (plastic melting is the epitome of harsh reaction IMO), my first thought is dump it out, and find out what could have done it. I would also contact the company that manufactures that complete filter unit, and ask them what happened, as they'll want to know what you filtered. You can tell them you were filtering oil-based injectible branch chain amino acids, or something similar. Shouldn't matter. They should be able to find an answer as to why a carrier oil, BB, BA, and your powder would do that. I read somewhere in a post that you like EO, and no, EO won't cause plastic to melt/degrade, as you described was the damage to the receiver.
I have my own thought. I think you added the mixed, and heated final product to the filter unit when the product was way too hot. That's just a hypothesis, but as thin as you say those cheaper complete units are, and how thin/flimsy you mentioned, I would believe the plastic receiver is quite thin. Add in too much heat (plus the fact that you're using too much pressure to filter 200-500ml in 2 seconds as you mentioned), and I'm sure you can imagine a cheaper plastic not doing well at all under those circumstances, hence the plastic distorting/smearing after you tried to wash out the receiver post-brew...
In the case where you could have used too much heat, I would want you to re-filter not because the plastic in the receiver was overheated. (It didn't "melt" until you washed it correct?) If so, I'd want you to re-filter as I wouldn't trust the integrity of the filter membrane itself after an oil that's too hot is poured in. If the excessive heat is the case, I can imagine the filter membrane giving it up, therefore the 2 second "filtration" you mentioned. Should take longer than that being 250 or 500ml oil. What's your pressure gauge reading during filtration? Don't throw out the final product unless there was obvious damage to the inside of the plastic receiver before you attempted to wash it out. If you noticed even a run in the plastic receiver directly post-brew, I'd throw the batch out however, and do chalk it up as a learning lesson.
Lessons that cost me a few hundred dollars loss seem to educate me well for future projects, for some reason... Lol!
krazieone56
New Member
With all that being said. The one thing u touched on. The liquid was hot. I'm thinking I shud have let it cool. Then filter.
Yes the container was fine until I tried to rinse it.
The hand pump doesn't have a pressure gauge so I can't tell u the reading. I gave it two pumps and it pulled the liquid thru fast. It was only 175 ml.
So I ordered the millipore filters this time and will reheat and cool and re filter.
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Yes the container was fine until I tried to rinse it.
The hand pump doesn't have a pressure gauge so I can't tell u the reading. I gave it two pumps and it pulled the liquid thru fast. It was only 175 ml.
So I ordered the millipore filters this time and will reheat and cool and re filter.
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devildog
Evolutionary Retired
Yes, sounds like excessive heat was the factor. Also sounds like it must have been EXTREMELY hot to degrade plastic like that. That, or the plastic in that particular filter is of a really cheap material... Re-filtering is probably fine IMO. No need to reheat it. When these come back in stock, grab a 12 pack. You'll like them better: http://www.medical-and-lab-supplies...up-complete-filter-units-250-ml-count-12.html
And for a pressure gauge, you can get these all over the place. Smart to have one in order to keep steady pressure applied during the process, and to ensure excessive pressure isn't being used.
krazieone56
New Member
Ya I've been looking at those. Been out a stock for a bit.
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krazieone56
New Member
As far as pressure. I literally gave it one pump and it started filtering. Cudnt b that much pressure.
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Jas84
Proficient Brother
How's it hangin fellas... So I set out to make my 50ml batch and messed up 40ml of it lol... I don't know if this will help you measure krazie but I had a similar experience with my filter. I put 40ml through a nalgene rapid flow filter and the bottle that catches it started cracking and bubbling after maybe 3 minutes. I finished filter the 40ml I had left and researching why it was doing that and found that particular brand filter has a reaction with eo and can't be used. Hope that helps. I through that batch away and kept the 10ml I filtered thorough a syringe filter and here's my test 250
krazieone56
New Member
Mine didn't crack or bubble while filtering tho. Nor did I lose any solution.
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devildog
Evolutionary Retired
Wow! After this search, here you go bro: http://www.anabolex.com/forums/showthread.php/45997-Dont-use-Nalgene-Filter-Units-with-Ethyl-Oleate
You didn't use too much heat at all. You'll love that short thread.
You didn't use too much heat at all. You'll love that short thread.
krazieone56
New Member
Interesting. But mine didn't crack. But the hot solution basically blew out the filter.
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devildog
Evolutionary Retired
What did you do with the final product after this happened? Also, any particular reason you're using EO?
krazieone56
New Member
Its bottled in 50ml jugs right now. And I like the thinness of it for injecting but now I may start using a gso sesame mix instead.
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devildog
Evolutionary Retired
Did you sell/trade any of this stuff? From what I read recently, this "brew" was what you sold/traded for. Yes, after reading the trading thread, I cringed... IMO, you have no business compounding aas with the "evidence" here over the last few pages. I REALLY hope you didn't sell/trade any of this UNFILTERED mess/nightmare! If you did, make damn sure the receiving dummies don't use it!
You're probably a nice guy, but you have absolutely zero business compounding anabolic/androgenic steroids... Guys who lose a limb to a sterile abscess that wouldn't heal, bring heat when they raise hell over it... I hope you wind up doing the right thing!
krazieone56
New Member
No. I havnt sent any. After diagnosing the problem. Two ten ml I did send but I have already told the person DO NOT use it and to send it back.
Now, as far as ur other points I think you need to ease up. I have been brewing for more than three years. Sold MANY products to people and they have been more than satisfied. This is a new issue I havnt encountered as this was the first time using a bottle top process. And I don't really appreciate you slamming me saying I have no biz making products.
For a VIP you really arnt acting like one. One, for laughing at me. For two now slamming my ability to brew based on one issue I have never encountered before.
This should have been a discussion better served privately.
I think maybe you should take a step back maybe word things more properly and respectfully.
And I think you owe me an apology.
Just the fact you would even attempt to assume I would knowingly give someone something that isn't perfect really pisses me off and if you ACTUALLY knew me you would know I am a stand up guy and one that should not be treated this way.
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Now, as far as ur other points I think you need to ease up. I have been brewing for more than three years. Sold MANY products to people and they have been more than satisfied. This is a new issue I havnt encountered as this was the first time using a bottle top process. And I don't really appreciate you slamming me saying I have no biz making products.
For a VIP you really arnt acting like one. One, for laughing at me. For two now slamming my ability to brew based on one issue I have never encountered before.
This should have been a discussion better served privately.
I think maybe you should take a step back maybe word things more properly and respectfully.
And I think you owe me an apology.
Just the fact you would even attempt to assume I would knowingly give someone something that isn't perfect really pisses me off and if you ACTUALLY knew me you would know I am a stand up guy and one that should not be treated this way.
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Redam
Banned
I must say, I respect my boy krazy and I highly doubt he would sell or trade something contaminated to anyone! He's actually a stand up dude.
But I see where DD is coming from but can this be discussed privately? I would hate for anyone to argue on the boards because every time it happens, it goes way outta hand! (I.e. A-man)
bobsyouruncle
Buff Brother
I know I have had issues with brewing and what if a guy blew out a filter and commented about it would you automatically assume they sold or traded that gear without re sterilizing? This is a place for learning I respect almost everyone here but I do have to say if I were krazie I would be pretty pissed about dd automatically assuming I distributed a batch that I encountered issues with now I know krazie and from what i have seen he us a good bro that is experienced but obviously hasn't run into every issue and has some room to learn/improve just like each and every one of us let's help our brother out instead of crucifying him
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krazieone56
New Member
You know I was talking to some people privately. But I'm going to say it publicly.
I could have easily not said a word.
I could have just fuck it and figured it was good to go.
But I didn't I came on here a place for learning and help and support, not come here to get slammed by some cocky ass dude who wants to just flame me for no reason.
I came here and said hey uh problem. Full well knowing that anyone I may be doing biz with will see it obviously.
Shouldn't I get some fucking GODDAMN respect for that. Shit happens. Lessons get learned.
In all aspects of life.
Anyway, ya this is to all that I have done biz with or will in the future
I WILL NOT BE NOR HAVE I EVER SENT ANYTHING I WASNT 100% ON.
AND I NEVER EVER WILL
KRAZIE OUT!!!!
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I could have easily not said a word.
I could have just fuck it and figured it was good to go.
But I didn't I came on here a place for learning and help and support, not come here to get slammed by some cocky ass dude who wants to just flame me for no reason.
I came here and said hey uh problem. Full well knowing that anyone I may be doing biz with will see it obviously.
Shouldn't I get some fucking GODDAMN respect for that. Shit happens. Lessons get learned.
In all aspects of life.
Anyway, ya this is to all that I have done biz with or will in the future
I WILL NOT BE NOR HAVE I EVER SENT ANYTHING I WASNT 100% ON.
AND I NEVER EVER WILL
KRAZIE OUT!!!!
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M_T pockets
New member
Kraz dont let things get to you. Everyone makes simple mistakes and all you can do is step forward and resolve them. Even REGULAR sources have issues. Peace Bro.
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krazieone56
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Ya well then I shudnt get flamed for being open and seeking advice as to what could have happened and be laughed at and disrespected for no reason. But ya I get what ur saying. I'm just defending my reputation.
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bobsyouruncle
Buff Brother
M_T pockets
New member
Lol@u guys.
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bobsyouruncle
Buff Brother
Yes it is pretty cool exploring and finding out what you are capable of and had I known this would be of interest to me I would have studied a lot harder in school
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devildog
Evolutionary Retired
Making mistakes and learning from them is very normal. However, when a mistake is made with an injectable compound, then traded/sold, that's a problem. I'm not being a "cocky ass." I'm trying to help others avoid serious health issues with contaminated, injectable gear. You'll notice, I mentioned you're probably a nice guy krazieone. Being a nice guy, and being able to compound a clean, sterile product are two different things... This needed to be brought up since others were involved in receiving the "finished" product. I'm sure yourself, and others here can understand the numerous reasons why nothing good would have come out of guys being hospitalized due to using contaminated gear...
This subject is over as far as I'm concerned.
This subject is over as far as I'm concerned.
krazieone56
New Member
See. You are still doing it. Don't you dare sit there and say I can't brew products correctly. Who the fuck are you to judge me. You are nobody. Just another guy on a forum. Just like me. This is fucking bullshit. You made a lot of assumptions my friend. And I personally take great offense to it. You don't know me or what I've made or sold or whatever. I would never give someone a product that o wasn't 100% on and havnt used myself first. Are fucking kidding right now. You are fucking with my reputation and I'm not gonna stand here and let you slam me and laugh at me. You were recently voted a VIP. I think that should be recinded. Thru this process you have not done thing except slam me for no reason.
And you can consider the conversation closed all you like. Bottom line.. You owe me an apology and publicly. I'm not going to idly sit by while you ruin my good name. I'm a stand up motherfucker and love all the guys here and would never do anything to harm anyone.
You might be a good guy but as of right now I have lost all respect for you for the way you handled this situation.
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And you can consider the conversation closed all you like. Bottom line.. You owe me an apology and publicly. I'm not going to idly sit by while you ruin my good name. I'm a stand up motherfucker and love all the guys here and would never do anything to harm anyone.
You might be a good guy but as of right now I have lost all respect for you for the way you handled this situation.
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I hate to see two guys who I enjoy reading their posts beefing. I'm super glad everyone is about safety first and I think that is one thing both parties can agree upon. Ya'll should squash it and keep the brew thread going. There is no doubt that both of you are stand up guys so in the infamous words of Rodney King - "Can't we all just get along?"
krazieone56
New Member
I'm not beefing I'm straight telling someone I thought was a good dude here to not slander my name. I don't deserve it nor will I stand for it.
I'm good at making products. I used a new process which did something I havnt experience. So came on here full well knowing people I'm about to do biz with will see it. To double check with people who have used this process what may have happened and how to fix it.
Instead of DD coming on here saying all good bro I'll get you fixed up. I get laughed at and told oh u shudnt brew anything.
Gimme a fucking break. That's not a VIP. That's a fucking asshole.
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I'm good at making products. I used a new process which did something I havnt experience. So came on here full well knowing people I'm about to do biz with will see it. To double check with people who have used this process what may have happened and how to fix it.
Instead of DD coming on here saying all good bro I'll get you fixed up. I get laughed at and told oh u shudnt brew anything.
Gimme a fucking break. That's not a VIP. That's a fucking asshole.
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devildog
Evolutionary Retired
You're the guy who tried to wash out a ONE TIME USE complete filter unit's PLASTIC receiver... That, in of itself, speaks volumes about just how dangerous you are at compounding a product that is injected deep into muscle tissue. Yes, I'm a VIP, and yes, I'm going to look out for others who would wind up buying something made by a guy who has absolutely know clue what he's doing. I originally got a laugh out of your COMPLETE lack of studying this subject, when you attempted to wash out a one time use filter receiver. In fact, this is probably one of the top (if not THE top), funniest things I've read about someone new to compounding doing. You have absolutely no clue what you're doing, and when I read the trading thread, that's where I drew the line. I didn't know you were peddling this dangerous garbage to others... That's what a VIP does when others are in harm's way due to your complete lack of learning, and total lack of time spent getting a CRITICAL thing such as this right. From your responses, it's obvious still, you still can't comprehend the gravity of what you've done. It only takes one guy like you to bring down the entire "house of cards," and I'm not going to allow that to happen. You have every right, however, to complain to the mods/admin, and attempt to have me removed for stepping in to protect others from serious medical problems due to the mess you peddled here.
devildog
Evolutionary Retired
I wouldn't even attempt to brew coffee if I were you...
krazieone56
New Member
You are an ass. I havnt even sold any yet you dumb fuck. Obviously you can't read. I know exactly what I'm doing. So what if I washed something that I didn't realize was disposable. That doesn't mean a thing.
You know what DD why don't you go fuck yourself. I won't complain to anyone because you arnt worth the effort. Lol.
Just like how you think you know what you are doing when giving diet advice to a guy for his woman.
And he told you his woman is an endomorph and you are telling him to feed her carbs and set her cals per day at 1600 when her BMR is 1460.
You are a guy I believe who thinks he knows everything about everything. And I really don't think you do.
And this is for anyone reading this that I'm sending stuff to.
If you have read all this and don't trust what I made will be refiltering and ensuring is 100% legit I will he more than happy to refund you or send back what we traded for.
FUCK YOU DEVIL DOG. AND THATS STRAIGHT FROM THE HEART. YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE AND DONT BELONG HERE.
KRAZIE OUT!!!
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You know what DD why don't you go fuck yourself. I won't complain to anyone because you arnt worth the effort. Lol.
Just like how you think you know what you are doing when giving diet advice to a guy for his woman.
And he told you his woman is an endomorph and you are telling him to feed her carbs and set her cals per day at 1600 when her BMR is 1460.
You are a guy I believe who thinks he knows everything about everything. And I really don't think you do.
And this is for anyone reading this that I'm sending stuff to.
If you have read all this and don't trust what I made will be refiltering and ensuring is 100% legit I will he more than happy to refund you or send back what we traded for.
FUCK YOU DEVIL DOG. AND THATS STRAIGHT FROM THE HEART. YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE AND DONT BELONG HERE.
KRAZIE OUT!!!
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devildog
Evolutionary Retired
Lol! I don't need to educate you on nutrition as you wouldn't follow that advice, just as you won't follow advice on compounding something that's injected into the human body. Best thing you can do is hope no one injected themselves with that mess. Last, your "maturity" level in your posts speaks volumes as well...
krazieone56
New Member
Boring.....
Say whatever u want. If they don't want my stuff they can tell me themselves and I will give back or refund. Simple as that.
Let it begin.
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Say whatever u want. If they don't want my stuff they can tell me themselves and I will give back or refund. Simple as that.
Let it begin.
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devildog
Evolutionary Retired
Ok. I'll be bringing this to the attention of the admin here. It's VERY obvious you're completely WILLING to let others use a product you KNOW is contaminated, yet you're "ok" with it... No problem. I'll handle the rest. You're not getting guys thrown in the hospital, and get them complaining, and bringing heat. Nope! Not here bro! You're now a security risk, and that's an issue that will be dealt with.
krazieone56
New Member
You are trippin. No one has gotten anything yet. Are you dense?
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krazieone56
New Member
Idk how many more times I can say this but I'll say it again
Only two bottles left to one person. And then while thinking about it I was feeling uneasy about what happened. Came on here saying this is what happened what should be done. Should it be refilter ed should I just dump it blah blah blah. I immediately contacted the person said hey the package I just shipped today DO NOT use it and send it back. Nothing else has been sent. Because I am not feeling good about how it came out. Are you fucking getting it now? Jesus fucking Christ.
KRAZIEONE
Only two bottles left to one person. And then while thinking about it I was feeling uneasy about what happened. Came on here saying this is what happened what should be done. Should it be refilter ed should I just dump it blah blah blah. I immediately contacted the person said hey the package I just shipped today DO NOT use it and send it back. Nothing else has been sent. Because I am not feeling good about how it came out. Are you fucking getting it now? Jesus fucking Christ.
KRAZIEONE
Guys, I hope this can be toned down a bit, for everyone. Krazy and Devil are both good bros and I would expect a higher level of understanding will prevail. You are both respected members and we should set an example for newer members.
I reread the posts and I think its a misunderstanding. Krazy, maybe you can just squash it by saying you will try and find out how it happened, and research a little more on membranes that are best suited with EO. And Devil maybe you can squash by reiterating that you meant no disrespect.
And guys it would be cool if you could hopefully both take the high road, each apologize if there was any misunderstanding and leave it there. I know it sucks to say sorry when you feel justified, but it takes a bigger man to eat shit for the greater good, trust me say that from experience. I didnt speak to my father for 5 years over a difference of opinions over money. We both felt justified and correct, and over time I saw that I was wrong, but still didnt apologize or try to fix it. One day he came to me and fixed it, even though I was wrong, and that made me feel low. He showed me he was more of a man than me.
An extreme example maybe, but I have applied to my daily life. We need more good people willing to be humble.
I hope I didnt offend you guys, just a friendly offer so I can see harmony restored to our awesome thread.
I reread the posts and I think its a misunderstanding. Krazy, maybe you can just squash it by saying you will try and find out how it happened, and research a little more on membranes that are best suited with EO. And Devil maybe you can squash by reiterating that you meant no disrespect.
And guys it would be cool if you could hopefully both take the high road, each apologize if there was any misunderstanding and leave it there. I know it sucks to say sorry when you feel justified, but it takes a bigger man to eat shit for the greater good, trust me say that from experience. I didnt speak to my father for 5 years over a difference of opinions over money. We both felt justified and correct, and over time I saw that I was wrong, but still didnt apologize or try to fix it. One day he came to me and fixed it, even though I was wrong, and that made me feel low. He showed me he was more of a man than me.
An extreme example maybe, but I have applied to my daily life. We need more good people willing to be humble.
I hope I didnt offend you guys, just a friendly offer so I can see harmony restored to our awesome thread.
krazieone56
New Member
MH. As always perfectly tactful and always with respect.
I'm going to stop now. Because I respect you and agree.
I have told anyone that wanted something from me that if they feel uneasy I will refund or send back the traded items. I would never send out something knowingly that it was not right. And I still won't.
I did feel disrespected but I will let it go. I didn't know about bottetops. Saw on here it was a great way to go. It didn't go well
But its fixable. And I will fix it and perfect it no matter what anyone thinks.
I will end it from my end. This is done.
KRAZIEONE
I'm going to stop now. Because I respect you and agree.
I have told anyone that wanted something from me that if they feel uneasy I will refund or send back the traded items. I would never send out something knowingly that it was not right. And I still won't.
I did feel disrespected but I will let it go. I didn't know about bottetops. Saw on here it was a great way to go. It didn't go well
But its fixable. And I will fix it and perfect it no matter what anyone thinks.
I will end it from my end. This is done.
KRAZIEONE
Cool, thanks Krazie! That is very respectable.
devildog
Evolutionary Retired
I agree MH. I also wasn't letting this go by as there was trading going on, and he has no clue what he's doing. This would be understandable if it were something that isn't as serious as creating a sterile injectable. My worry would be guys getting into trouble with his gear, complaining to the wrong people, and you can imagine the rest... All in all, this thread has flown very well, and has remained clean until this incident went down. Back to regular discussion for me.
krazieone56
New Member
Now see, this is what I mean. This makes it hard to let go.
I'm sorry but really? Did u not hear what mh said. But u just want to get one more in there.
Don't sit there and say I have no clue. I'm not gonna let it stand. I have been doing this a while never had a problem.
I tried something new. I fucked it up. I came on here and said uh I think I fucked something up. The people I traded with are in this goddamn lounge bro.
So obviously I had no intent to send anything that wasn't perfect. Which is why I came here.
And instead of helping me understand what I did so I can learn about a new process u fucking disrespected me. And are now slamming me.
Who the fuck are you to do that? You are supposed to be a VIP to help people not tear them down.
Mh I'm sorry but fuck that. I'm stopping. But I'm making my point very clear. He has no clue how to mentor and should not be allowed to do so.
I'm done.
KRAZIEONE
I'm sorry but really? Did u not hear what mh said. But u just want to get one more in there.
Don't sit there and say I have no clue. I'm not gonna let it stand. I have been doing this a while never had a problem.
I tried something new. I fucked it up. I came on here and said uh I think I fucked something up. The people I traded with are in this goddamn lounge bro.
So obviously I had no intent to send anything that wasn't perfect. Which is why I came here.
And instead of helping me understand what I did so I can learn about a new process u fucking disrespected me. And are now slamming me.
Who the fuck are you to do that? You are supposed to be a VIP to help people not tear them down.
Mh I'm sorry but fuck that. I'm stopping. But I'm making my point very clear. He has no clue how to mentor and should not be allowed to do so.
I'm done.
KRAZIEONE
devildog
Evolutionary Retired
I mentor. Some are incapable of listening, and putting it to work... Find a thread where I put someone down. You won't! Now when it comes to producing a very dangerous product due to lack of training, I do step in at that point. This thread is evidence of that. And you've been doing this a while, and washed out a one time disposable filter receiver thinking you'd use it again? Really??? Ok...
No one is slamming you. You just have no business compounding gear at this time as evidenced over the last few pages here... Since you've obviously missed the point, this is about safety, not ego..
No one is slamming you. You just have no business compounding gear at this time as evidenced over the last few pages here... Since you've obviously missed the point, this is about safety, not ego..
krazieone56
New Member
Bro, you have to be kidding. I listened to everything you said. I even asked you is this shit fucked shud I dump it. I asked you to explain everything for the purpose of learning what happened. I usually use syringe filters. Never had a problem. I tried something new. I rinsed it not realizing it was a one timer. Ya dumb I get it. But by rinsing it that made me think OK hold on something isn't right and came here for advice. Isn't that what the lounge is for. Just because I made an error doesn't mean I can't brew products. I think you are going way over board on this to grandstand and flex urself so people think you are somebody. I'm not sure why. And the funny thing is NOT ONE person has backed you. NO ONE.
That being said this whole thing got out of hand and I apologize for my hand in it. After all we are all on hormones.
But I would NEVER send something that wasn't tip top. And people here know that.
KRAZIEONE
That being said this whole thing got out of hand and I apologize for my hand in it. After all we are all on hormones.
But I would NEVER send something that wasn't tip top. And people here know that.
KRAZIEONE
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Group hug?
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bobsyouruncle
Buff Brother
I want this to be done and over as I'm sure everyone else does but I feel like I have to speak up I truly appreciate you looking out for the safety of others it's needed and it sometimes puts you in an uncomfortable position ie our current situation but this had gone beyond looking out for bros on here you said "some people are incapable of listening" but there was no opportunity for krazie to listen and learn at least I didn't see one and you did insult him by saying something along the lines of "I wouldent trust you to brew coffee" c'mon that's getting personal he is eager to find out the reason behind his bottletop "melting" and he's a stand up guy this gear isn't being distributed I agree that we all need to look out for each other and I think we all can agree on that but mh is definitely right if I was a new member and I came in here reading this I would catalog this forum right alongside all the other glorified dick showing forums out there please let this shit go no more getting the last word in there is nothing either one of you has to say about this that you haven't already said I would really appreciate it if this ended here and now
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Jas84
Proficient Brother
I've read the whatman zap cap filters are suppose to be ok with eo in the mix. I don't know for sure as I've only brewed once and ran in To a similar issue with the same type of filter you used krazie.. I'll continue to research and if I find any info that maybe useful ill post it up
krazieone56
New Member
I'm down Bob. Its done on my end.
KRAZIEONE
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krazieone56
New Member
Yes I have done some research. And went over what happened. This filter was very thin. And very easily destroyed. What I believe happened. And it was said by a few on here before it got out of hand is that I didn't allow the solution cool. It was far too hot. It ate the filter and then when the hot liquid reached the receiver it stressed it out. Even tho I was able to draw all the solution out and bottle it. Once either the cold water or any solvent in the soap hit the degraded plastic it reacted and melted inside like gooey feel. Obviously I understand it was a one time use and that was dumb.
I'm hoping that if I reheat it.let cool fully. To room temp. And refilter with my new bottle top, using very little pressure it will be OK.
My only concern is that if the solution was hot enough to destabilize the plastic receiver is it still OK to use even after filtering. Or should I just dump it all and make fresh.
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