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Loadcoil78 said:
Would less bb help with pip or no?
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Has nothing to do w pip. Pip comes from many places. Dirty gear. Too high of concentration improper injecting methods. Some esters will give u pip no matter what. You have to figure no matter how painless u make it there will still be something. Ur injecting a pocket of oil into a muscle.

Now bb can help thin the mix which would make it less vicious so in that regards pip would be reduced sure.

There really is no answer or certain regarding pip cause it cones from so many places.

You should be mostly concerned with proper dosed gear by ur equations of ur recipe and clean gear. Those r the too two.

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krazieone56 said:
Has nothing to do w pip. Pip comes from many places. Dirty gear. Too high of concentration improper injecting methods. Some esters will give u pip no matter what. You have to figure no matter how painless u make it there will still be something. Ur injecting a pocket of oil into a muscle.

Now bb can help thin the mix which would make it less vicious so in that regards pip would be reduced sure.

There really is no answer or certain regarding pip cause it cones from so many places.

You should be mostly concerned with proper dosed gear by ur equations of ur recipe and clean gear. Those r the too two.

KRAZIEONE
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I wouldn't say it has NOTHING to do with PIP bro... But what you said concerning PIP coming from so many different possible reasons is definitely true. You can't ever really say it is or isn't BB without a doubt (unless multiple tests are done and it turns out BB does impact the PIP in that case lol).

As a matter of fact, something that a lot of people overlook, is that its MAINLY your source that dictates if the product has PIP and how bad it is. Obviously there are a large number of other variables, but if you have a great source that's solid and truly pharma quality, you'll have less issues with PIP.
 
genomex said:
Just to tell you before the rest of the post bro, this post is more aimed at anyone looking into using an autoclave and buying unsealed vials bro, I know you already know all of this. I'm just taking the chance to tell/inform others about this since you brought up wanting to buy one before going the unsealed vial route.

Yeah I completely understand bro. I bought my autoclave before I ever decided to fuck with unsealed vials. Unfortunately, some equipment that's able to be used in a clave costs extra (due to needing to be higher quality and be made of certain material so it won't degrade/rust/whatever). When you buy your crimper (when that time comes), be SURE that it is clave-able. The cheaper ones aren't that well made from what I understand, and aren't made to be sterilized by a clave. The ones that can be claved seem to run around $200 (versus $140-160 for the lower end ones that aren't supposed to be). But these are truly high grade. And will last much longer (some of the cheaper ones have a lot of plastic that can break, rendering it useless etc).

A lot of people I've talked to about this didn't realize that a lot of scientific equipment needs to be made a certain way to be able to be sterilized PROPERLY by certain equipment (no covered areas that can't be reached, odd edges, bumps/depressions [it has to be COMPLETELY flat], etc). Clean rooms are the same way. There's extremely specific protocol concerning precisely how the area has to be setup/made and what it can/can't have. Equipment that needs to be sterilized for a clean room (which is what autoclaves are used for) have to follow a lot of the same principles. The crimper I was discussing for claving uses stainless steel and other high end materials so it won't degrade/rust/break/crack or anything when used in a clave. And if you decide to buy a bottle top dispenser, you HAVE to make sure you can disassemble it and it EXPLICITLY says it can be autoclaved.

Don't forget, an autoclave is much more than just an "oven that has water" lol. It gets to a VERY high pressure (MUCH higher than any pressure cooker that your mother/wife has -- so don't compare them), which is what makes it so the steam and heat work faarrr better together at sterilizing and killing EVERYTHING. So you want to make SURE you don't get something cheap and plastic that will crack/break from the pressure of the clave.

Its a great decision to buy and use a clave, as it will ensure everything is completely sterilized (whereas the dry heat from an oven + alcohol isn't 100% guaranteed to completely sterilize everything). Unfortunately, you'll end up spending more for higher quality equipment.

Be ready to have up to several $1000 set aside for everything if you decide to buy an autoclave, high quality crimper, high quality bottle top dispenser, the bottles, caps, etc. If you get a small autoclave you can save money. But you also don't want to buy one and have it too small to sterilize all your equipment!!! So be sure to measure your equipment that you need to sterilize before buying one. Make sure everything will fit in it. You may end up spending far less, depending on what kind of deals are running, what equipment you can find used, and what size of everything you need (plus if you already have some of the shit). I'm just warning anyone looking into going this route... don't be surprised if you find the total bill for everything more on the high end.



Is that plastic?? How can it guarantee that in 30 minutes? That's what an autoclave does (though some can do it in 15 minutes). How hot does it get? Is it pressurized? How much do those cost? I just can't imagine something plastic being just as effective as an expensive stainless steel autoclave (that has to be BOLTED down so the top doesn't fly off due to how high of pressure/heat it gets to).... Does it actually guarantee to kill EVERYTHING? Or just certain viruses/bacteria?!

If that thing works as well as a bigass stainless steel autoclave (which I seriously can't see how it could)... then consider my mind blown lol.
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autoclave is the only way to go when being sterile for sure
 
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What 1kg looks like


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Well 1kg of white, flash back, tummy ach, the need to go take a dump/puke, nose sniffle and I think I'm sure I have a drip in my boxers. Dam, the thing we do in our youth & the things we do to get bigger.
 
Sky6150 said:
Well 1kg of white, flash back, tummy ach, the need to go take a dump/puke, nose sniffle and I think I'm sure I have a drip in my boxers. Dam, the thing we do in our youth & the things we do to get bigger.
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LOL. Great memories eh?
 
Well if its Test E like he said 400 vials. 1KG = 1000 grams. 2.5 grams per 10ml vial @ 250MG/ML is equal to 400 10ML vials.
 
Yes it's test e and it was wrapped in more so it blocked out the heat


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That's cool, thanks . Been reading your guys threads a lil . Very good stuff . The more you know ....


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Every single time I see bacteria tests on water based injectables, it always makes me shudder. They're through the fucking ROOF compared to oils.
 
krazieone56 said:
Weird. I havnt ever had an issue.

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Have you ever actually done a true test for it? Just because there's bacteria in it doesn't mean you'll get an infection or anything automatically. I've never met someone that does tests for bacteria and all on their own gear lol. If you do, that's some thorough shit and I commend you bro. Its just really rare to ever see someone really test their gear they made -- be it for purity, bacteria, contaminants, etc.
 
krazieone56 said:
I have not. Nor do I think any home brewers.

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Yeah. I've never personally met one, but I've heard of a few. I'm currently looking through HPLC setups to get one for myself. That way I can truly test the purity of everything, AND what is in it. But that shit isn't cheap lol.
 
Injected my homebrew today. First time running tren! It's time I grab hold of my balls and jump in the train. Test mix (pp+iso) and Tren E. 250 test and 450 tren E3D.

Injection was SUPER SMOOTH except I bled like a bitch when I withdrew the needle. Can't wait till the tren kicks in! We'll see how the pip is tomorrow.
 
Cipp21 said:
Injected my homebrew today. First time running tren! It's time I grab hold of my balls and jump in the train. Test mix (pp+iso) and Tren E. 250 test and 450 tren E3D.

Injection was SUPER SMOOTH except I bled like a bitch when I withdrew the needle. Can't wait till the tren kicks in! We'll see how the pip is tomorrow.
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Congrats bro!
 
Ya know I think Matty had it right. We need sub categories for brewing. U cud get lost in here if ur new. Lol.

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krazieone56 said:
Ya know I think Matty had it right. We need sub categories for brewing. U cud get lost in here if ur new. Lol.

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Well you either spend a couple of days reading through all the threads or just pick up where to conversation is at and ask repetitive questions lol.

A sub would be nice
 
krazieone56 said:
Ya know I think Matty had it right. We need sub categories for brewing. U cud get lost in here if ur new. Lol.

KRAZIEONE - for all your DIO LABS needs....
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No joke. I've really been wanting this for a while. Its ridiculous to have so much in a single thread. It should be its own section.
 
If worried about the bacteria in your suspension water, distilled and UVC sterilized is the way to eliminate the problem. J
 
Med lab supply is the home depot of home brewing! I have a shipment on schedule for delivery :D . Cant wait for homebrewing !

My raws should be coming in soon as well. I read through 90 pages in one go.

Krazieone, Bob,Gringo..All very very useful information regarding brewing !
 
Biotoxic said:
If worried about the bacteria in your suspension water, distilled and UVC sterilized is the way to eliminate the problem. J
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Bro you don't use filtretion system devices? You put your gear on UVC sterilizer?


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Cipp21 said:
On par with just about everything I've used, including Sarms1. Oral suspension doesn't turn out as pretty tho.
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So I just mix it with Bacardi 151 or everclear? I saw a receipe once that included Carboxymethyl Cellulose but cant find it again :(
Anyone seen this?
 
essolion73 said:
So I just mix it with Bacardi 151 or everclear? I saw a receipe once that included Carboxymethyl Cellulose but cant find it again :(
Anyone seen this?
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I tried mixing it with 151 but it kept crashing. It's still crashed but once you shake it up enough times it stays pretty uniformly crashed lol. More of a suspension than a solution
 
Biotoxic said:
If worried about the bacteria in your suspension water, distilled and UVC sterilized is the way to eliminate the problem. J
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Please tell me you aren't using a UV-C light on your gear after its mixed with the water. You do know that UV-C will completely ruin the hormones right? Totally fuck them up and make them worthless. While it can be good for pre-treatment, remember that the water for the suspension is FAR from the only thing that can potentially be a cause for bacteria in the end product.

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Bro you don't use filtretion system devices? You put your gear on UVC sterilizer?


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A filter won't filter out all possible bacteria bro. And yeah, I REALLY REALLY REALLY hope he isn't talking about using a UV-C light on his finished gear in the water for the suspension lol.
 
No, no. Some one had brought up bacteria in water and it's use in a suspension. I was talking about using distilled water and treating the water with UVC light. For bacteria free water. J
 
Biotoxic said:
No, no. Some one had brought up bacteria in water and it's use in a suspension. I was talking about using distilled water and treating the water with UVC light. For bacteria free water. J
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Alright, as long as you aren't' doing it once the hormones are in it lol. But again, this only solves one of the issues.

Does anyone use bacteriostatic water?
 
I really don't see why the cause for alarm. Test suspension has been made this way for decades no one has had issue unless the person making it is an idiot and can't filter properly. Just because there is bacteria possibly means nothing. There is bacteria in everything we touch and breath. As long as its sterile and partcile free I'm jot sure why the discussion.

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krazieone56 said:
I really don't see why the cause for alarm. Test suspension has been made this way for decades no one has had issue unless the person making it is an idiot and can't filter properly. Just because there is bacteria possibly means nothing. There is bacteria in everything we touch and breath. As long as its sterile and partcile free I'm jot sure why the discussion.

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Suspensions with water have constantly been proven to have far more bacteria than any oil based injection. And while having bacteria doesn't mean you WILL get an infection or something of the sort automatically, you need to remember than an injection bypasses many of the immune functions we have to keep us safe from bacteria that we ingest, inhale, etc. An injection goes right into the blood. So its not "nothing" by any means at all. Having any bacteria is potentially very dangerous -- ESPECIALLY if your immune system is compromised during that injection.

And while filtration will certainly help with some things, it will NOT catch everything. You'd need a far smaller filter to catch *almost* "everything" than just a .22 micron filter. To give an extreme example, Polio is 0.0025 microns or something close to that if I remember properly.

And if the proper precautions aren't taken, bacteria, spores, airborne pathogens, etc can get into the suspension post filtration, and then grow/multiply. Like I've brought up before on this forum. Certain samples tested by a 3rd party for a research paper covering this exact discussion (William Llewellyn has wrote quite a few papers and some books that cover this as well), when an APC test was done, the LOWEST count for any of the suspensions was 21,000 and some even had 40,000 (this is per gram). I found ONE paper that had one with a rating count of ~5000, which was the best I've ever seen (which was Geneza Pharmaceuticals btw). Here's the thing though, to be deemed "good", it HAS to be less than 100. So perhaps making a suspension isn't quite as easy as many people believe. Because I have yet to find a single tested sample of one that "passes" the APC test.

Don't forget, BA does NOT guarantee sterility, nor can it neutralize EVERYTHING in the solution.

I would be very interested to see some labs' products tested. Perhaps when I get my setup all done, I'll do 3rd party ratings and post the findings. Who knows, maybe everyone here truly does have it down perfect and has little enough bacteria to "pass" the APC test.
 
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Interesting , and to think I've shot dope that was cut with who knows what , spit out of someone's mouth , sealed in a a plastic wrapper , using the bottom of a coke can , water from a sink , cotton from a cig , but the needle was never dirty , and never got an infection . Fucking disgusting yeah , now that I think about it ! The body is tougher then we think .

So the question I have is , are you more prone to infection if it's IM , then IV ?


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Flip Digler said:
Interesting , and to think I've shot dope that was cut with who knows what , spit out of someone's mouth , sealed in a a plastic wrapper , using the bottom of a coke can , water from a sink , cotton from a cig , but the needle was never dirty , and never got an infection . Fucking disgusting yeah , now that I think about it ! The body is tougher then we think .

So the question I have is , are you more prone to infection if it's IM , then IV ?


" Are You Satisfied "
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Fucking hell I don't even know what to say to this. Fuck.

And yes, the body is much tougher than most of us think. Like I said, just because there IS bacteria doesn't automatically mean we'll get an infection or whatever. It just raises the possibility.

I sincerely hope your post doesn't make some idiot think they can be as nasty as they want when homebrewing and they won't get sick or anything. I SERIOUSLY hope your post doesn't make anyone think that.

And again, fucking hell. I don't even know what else to say. Sounds like you've had a hell of a life?
 
Guys, Are you still doing the collaboration ordering for raws? If so please count me in.

If my post count is too low, then np..I'll check again when I've contributed enough to EV.
 
To the more experienced brewers. How much PSI do you setup on the vacuum with the bottle top filtration ?

do you guys always replace the bottom received with Glass media so that it doesnt crack.. or use the disposable plastic one that comes combined with the filtration system?
 
Personally I use the plastic one provided. They can want to crack w too much pressure. I do between 6-7 psi. Giving it a small pump every couple min. Also I use 4mil packing tape in the bottom of the media bottle to help fortify it before starting. You can't use glass media unless u have an autoclave as there is no way to ensure its sterility.

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Thanks Krazie, I've placed order for the complete filters, costs a tad bit more than whatman filters, BUT looking at the ease it is to filter i bet its a worthy investment.
 
Its just the nerd part of us overtaking brother. haha.

But I have to admit, Its been such a learning experience...I started with basskiller method & to only discover guys are wayy ahead of that with experimenting recipes to brewing techniques.

I remember the first 20ml vial with whatman syringe filter, Fck was it slow & now guys here brew 100ml within 10-15 minutes. Thats just amazing when you think about all the cost you are saving.
 
EO and MCT make syringe filters a breeze. For 20ml it only took me about 5-6mins to filter through a .45 whatman.
 
Hey guys. I got a new email for Kevin, and haven't been hearing back from him. I'm ready to make a small order and was curious if anyone else has had trouble contacting him
 
Silverghost99 said:
To the more experienced brewers. How much PSI do you setup on the vacuum with the bottle top filtration ?

do you guys always replace the bottom received with Glass media so that it doesnt crack.. or use the disposable plastic one that comes combined with the filtration system?
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glass is better. Yuo can crank up to like 15 psi and filter fast. You must be perfect in sterilizing and particles be sure to use distled water.

Plastic is way easier but can hold up to 9 psi never cracked one
 
Silverghost99 said:
Its just the nerd part of us overtaking brother. haha.

But I have to admit, Its been such a learning experience...I started with basskiller method & to only discover guys are wayy ahead of that with experimenting recipes to brewing techniques.

I remember the first 20ml vial with whatman syringe filter, Fck was it slow & now guys here brew 100ml within 10-15 minutes. Thats just amazing when you think about all the cost you are saving.
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Yeah it really is incredible how much money you save when you do it yourself. But also remember sterility is a huge factor. Don't sacrifice quality and sterility for cost. I see a lot of people that cuts costs as much as possible to save some money.

And yeah, a lot of people start with syringe filters. All I can say is thank god I found such an incredible all glass filtration assembly hahaha. It has made a WORLD of difference, and I don't ever have to worry about it cracking or anything!

And Basskiller is an INCREDIBLE source to learn from. I learned pretty much all the basics from him. As time goes on you'll learn more from experience and everything, but the knowledge he offers is in-disposable to a newbie at brewing.

Cipp21 said:
EO and MCT make syringe filters a breeze. For 20ml it only took me about 5-6mins to filter through a .45 whatman.
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What filters do you use? I imagine PTFE or PVDF? MCT is really incredible, its close the best for viscosity/quick filtering. EO + MCT definitely results in an incredibly smooth injection.

Also, have you ever had the EO eat any of your filters? Or have you always used PTFE?

And that's quick compared to GSO/Safflower for a pre-filter lol. I take it you pre-filter with 0.45 and then move to 0.22 for the final filtration? How long does it usually take you to filter with 0.22 filters with the MCT + EO combo? I imagine not long compared to other carrier oils. I've never brewed with MCT and EO. I was planning on starting to play with EO more soon, but ended up coming upon a few things that made it so I didn't need to.
 
What filters do you use? I imagine PTFE or PVDF? MCT is really incredible, its close the best for viscosity/quick filtering. EO + MCT definitely results in an incredibly smooth injection.

Also, have you ever had the EO eat any of your filters? Or have you always used PTFE?

And that's quick compared to GSO/Safflower for a pre-filter lol. I take it you pre-filter with 0.45 and then move to 0.22 for the final filtration? How long does it usually take you to filter with 0.22 filters with the MCT + EO combo? I imagine not long compared to other carrier oils. I've never brewed with MCT and EO. I was planning on starting to play with EO more soon, but ended up coming upon a few things that made it so I didn't need to.
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I always stick with PVDF and I've never had a filter melt on me. Only thing I have trouble with is drawing the EO into a syringe because 100% EO makes the stopper stick a bit when it sits for anymore than a few mins. You're correct, I ore filter with a 45 and then a 22. It still doesn't take much longer to put it through a .22. It gets noticibly harder though after about 50-60ml. EO has become one of my favorites now
 
genomex said:
Yeah it really is incredible how much money you save when you do it yourself. But also remember sterility is a huge factor. Don't sacrifice quality and sterility for cost. I see a lot of people that cuts costs as much as possible to save some money.

And yeah, a lot of people start with syringe filters. All I can say is thank god I found such an incredible all glass filtration assembly hahaha. It has made a WORLD of difference, and I don't ever have to worry about it cracking or anything!

And Basskiller is an INCREDIBLE source to learn from. I learned pretty much all the basics from him. As time goes on you'll learn more from experience and everything, but the knowledge he offers is in-disposable to a newbie at brewing.



What filters do you use? I imagine PTFE or PVDF? MCT is really incredible, its close the best for viscosity/quick filtering. EO + MCT definitely results in an incredibly smooth injection.

Also, have you ever had the EO eat any of your filters? Or have you always used PTFE?

And that's quick compared to GSO/Safflower for a pre-filter lol. I take it you pre-filter with 0.45 and then move to 0.22 for the final filtration? How long does it usually take you to filter with 0.22 filters with the MCT + EO combo? I imagine not long compared to other carrier oils. I've never brewed with MCT and EO. I was planning on starting to play with EO more soon, but ended up coming upon a few things that made it so I didn't need to.
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Geno - Are the complete filtration systems - sterile plastic ones.. clean/sterile out of the box ? Do you guys use any alcohol swabs to clean it or start using right out of packaging?

Never used these filters so please bear with my questions.
 
No u do not clean it u unpack it. Its already all together. Then filter the unscrew media bottle from bottom and put cap on till ur ready to draw out and fill vials

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krazieone56 said:
No u do not clean it u unpack it. Its already all together. Then filter the unscrew media bottle from bottom and put cap on till ur ready to draw out and fill vials

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Does the filter come with a cap for the bottom receiver ?

BTW Krazie, Imma pick your brain for some more insight on dissolving the solutions. :)

How long do you let the solution sit in the solvent/oil before filtering?
 
Cool, the reason I ask is..Some UGLs keep the solution for 24-48 hours before filtering - Not sure the reason though.

But most of the recipe I've read do not mention it.
 
nsnmatty said:
To ensure the solution doesn't crash. It saves you the time of refiltering and saves you material.
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When you guys mention Crash , are you referring to crystallization ? or actual degradation of the hormone?

I see lot of you have tried to run some very high concentration gear experiments. [ T-800 ?? Snake Venom? Fck thinking abt the pip makes me cringe ]. :D
 
For sure. No rush. I usually let it go over night. Unless it has to be filtered. But if u can wait always best. Then u don't waste a filter.

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nsnmatty said:
Gear crashes it happens new recipes, new oils, new suppliers. Let it sit for three or four days to ensure everything is stable before filtering.
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Do you guys mix it up in a beaker/heat it & move it to a media bottle for storage Matty...?

I would need to add in more bottles to my order.
 
Silverghost99 said:
When you guys mention Crash , are you referring to crystallization ? or actual degradation of the hormone?

I see lot of you have tried to run some very high concentration gear experiments. [ T-800 ?? Snake Venom? Fck thinking abt the pip makes me cringe ]. :D
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Lol nope I got the snake venom perfected. Lol. Its butter now.

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