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alphalife said:
Just got a small pack from him. He still exists.
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You know how it is man.. People get busy.. Got real human problems lol. I somehow live here.
 
Jeez im still wsiiting on a package and its been over a month.. And holy shit i need this package badly at 8 weeks out.. Will be keeping you posted how this turns.
 
Wufo said:
Jeez im still wsiiting on a package and its been over a month.. And holy shit i need this package badly at 8 weeks out.. Will be keeping you posted how this turns.
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See that's absolutely ridiculous. A fucking month?!
Wufo that you in the avatar? Pretty recognizable physique if you know what I mean lol. Good to have you here.
 
Wufo said:
Jeez im still wsiiting on a package and its been over a month.. And holy shit i need this package badly at 8 weeks out.. Will be keeping you posted how this turns.
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Okay well let's clear this up. You are waiting on a "free" package if you are in dire need then that's because you didn't order enough that's not our issue we are figuring some stuff out and that's y I asked you a question in your pm.


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Z28blak said:
Okay well let's clear this up. You are waiting on a "free" package if you are in dire need then that's because you didn't order enough that's not our issue we are figuring some stuff out and that's y I asked you a question in your pm.


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My firdt order was 2 months ago and came after 1 month, and clomid was missing, Sibce it took so long YOU offered me a free double package which completly compensated for the wait now its been a month and i ran oht of gear and im still waiting on the clomid i paid for, and the free package that YOU offered me. So if its free or not its not on me. And now i get a message saying that the tren was bad because a lot of people complaint about this? Thank you for the bad gear as you mentioned i never aaid anything and i got more but im gonna leave it here and was never planning on saying this, but the way how you said the last post ( above ) its completly unacceptable. In 8 weeks out of gear thabk you Oh by the way, JrbDallas yeah bro its me .
 
Regardless if it was bad or not i think bwl is a really if not the best gear seller but just the shipping kills me no other complaint. The gear always did its job��
 
Wufo said:
My firdt order was 2 months ago and came after 1 month, and clomid was missing, Sibce it took so long YOU offered me a free double package which completly compensated for the wait now its been a month and i ran oht of gear and im still waiting on the clomid i paid for, and the free package that YOU offered me. So if its free or not its not on me. And now i get a message saying that the tren was bad because a lot of people complaint about this? Thank you for the bad gear as you mentioned i never aaid anything and i got more but im gonna leave it here and was never planning on saying this, but the way how you said the last post ( above ) its completly unacceptable. In 8 weeks out of gear thabk you Oh by the way, JrbDallas yeah bro its me .
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Okay why would a source ship out something that is of concern, after asking so questions it wasn't even from the batch I sent you, Nor anyone else it was from almost year ago. So please excuse a source for wanting to make sure things are strait. Before having more heap on the plate. And I like how you are saying the that there is many people. When it was one guy. And you have always said the tren is fire as I haven't ever had an issue with tren that's why I wanted to make sure.


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Definately, like i said i have never had any problems with the gear of bwl the only thing was the shipping but Z as always trying his best, thank you for the reply looking forward to this package comin its way.����
 
Wufo said:
Definately, like i said i have never had any problems with the gear of bwl the only thing was the shipping but Z as always trying his best, thank you for the reply looking forward to this package comin its way.����
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Way to hold your composure brother I admire it really. What's up Z seems you been in the process of something for a bit now what's up everything cool? Been MIA for a while now
 
I didn't get the testing gear. I guess I'll let you know if I get a letter? Hopeful it just got lost in the mail. No complaint since it was just a test but thought you should know. Or maybe I'll see my mail lady with a beard soon?

sent from my gonads
 
Z28blak said:
Okay why would a source ship out something that is of concern, after asking so questions it wasn't even from the batch I sent you, Nor anyone else it was from almost year ago. So please excuse a source for wanting to make sure things are strait. Before having more heap on the plate. And I like how you are saying the that there is many people. When it was one guy. And you have always said the tren is fire as I haven't ever had an issue with tren that's why I wanted to make sure.


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Clear pm


#EVO FAM!!
 
Nope nothing, you would think he would still take orders even if he scammed people like you know who did. Maybe he got busted, I hate to say that but I mean what else could it be?
 
how the game works sometimes man, i know it sucks you wish you could just trust everyone. Basic has never done me wrong and i am going to buy from Hipo and Xeno soon, honestly once you find someone good stick with them.
 
So i got the gear i fought for and this tren was so much better than the last completly stronger, felt like the first one was at least 40% underdosed, but Z has disappeared... Hope hes good shit.. I hope he disnt get busted��
 
Wufo said:
So i got the gear i fought for and this tren was so much better than the last completly stronger, felt like the first one was at least 40% underdosed, but Z has disappeared... Hope hes good shit.. I hope he disnt get busted��
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at l east you got it... but yeah hope he's ok
 
Xeno Pharmaceuticals said:
200mg/ml test prop will not hold whatsoever at BA 2% BB12% unless you are using guaiacol or EO

That level of solvent will barely hold 125mg?

Not saying you're lying at all, but if its holding than you don't have test prop or a decently pure form of it, i would be careful.

XENO
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I agree with you completely on Prop not holding at 200mg with that formula...125mg is more than doable though. I brew 110mg/ml with 2%BA and 5% BB and it holds no problem.

I've brewed and held, barely, Prop at 150mg/ml and saw epic failure in trying to hold 200mg/ml with any formula using a carrier oil. The big question would be why? Trying to avoid 1ml extra of oil vs the lump from hell doesnt seem to make sense.I'm all for experimenting, hell my mentor taught us to brew to failure to learn the actual limits of each hormone and reasons behind specific mixes but I cant see the logic in this one.

As you stated...if its holding then there is something suspect with the powder.
 
Warrior Saint said:
I agree with you completely on Prop not holding at 200mg with that formula...125mg is more than doable though. I brew 110mg/ml with 2%BA and 5% BB and it holds no problem.

I've brewed and held, barely, Prop at 150mg/ml and saw epic failure in trying to hold 200mg/ml with any formula using a carrier oil. The big question would be why? Trying to avoid 1ml extra of oil vs the lump from hell doesnt seem to make sense.I'm all for experimenting, hell my mentor taught us to brew to failure to learn the actual limits of each hormone and reasons behind specific mixes but I cant see the logic in this one.

As you stated...if its holding then there is something suspect with the powder.
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Yeah, 200mg/ml you need well over 20%. I can get mine to hold with extra heat and 30% BB, but 12% is simply impossible. Either meaning the powder is very impure or a different compound, or they lied about the solvent concentration. However i don't see a motive for the later so i presume its the former.

I tried to point this out but this is the first anyone felt it was of concern.

XENO
 
Xeno Pharmaceuticals said:
Yeah, 200mg/ml you need well over 20%. I can get mine to hold with extra heat and 30% BB, but 12% is simply impossible. Either meaning the powder is very impure or a different compound, or they lied about the solvent concentration. However i don't see a motive for the later so i presume its the former.

I tried to point this out but this is the first anyone felt it was of concern.

XENO
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Xeno,

Way back, maybe 2 years ago when I first got into all this, I got prop 300 lol. So are you saying there is no possibility of that being able to exist? I had doubt obviously.


There was zero pip with it too. Like equivillant to injecting smooth test e.

Just curious. I know you have some extensive knowledge and it just popped into my head after reading your comment. Sorry op for briefly high jacking lol

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Jrbdallas said:
Xeno,

Way back, maybe 2 years ago when I first got into all this, I got prop 300 lol. So are you saying there is no possibility of that being able to exist? I had doubt obviously.


There was zero pip with it too. Like equivillant to injecting smooth test e.

Just curious. I know you have some extensive knowledge and it just popped into my head after reading your comment. Sorry op for briefly high jacking lol

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I would chime in and say that I seriously doubt that being able to exist. And if it was possible to avoid the extra 1ml of oil, why subject your body to such an extensive amount of solvents and co-solvents?

I will be happy to put this to test, as I had done fro myself in the past and brew up some 150mg/ml Test Prop with cottonseed oil or grape seed as a carrier, BA and BB and then happily let anyone who would like to pin it and then tell me if it is crippling or not.

The easiest way to look at this argument is what does Pharma do? Real Pharma not some UG incorrectly using the word Pharma...Pfizer, Organnon, Watson, etc. Testosterone Propionate was designed by the pharmaceutical companies at a 50mg/ml formula. This was decided upon as the proportionate formula for a therapeutic dose taking into consideration hormone stability and comfort of the user. We as the end user, and UG's wanting to provide their customer what they asked for, is the reason why the limits have been stretched.

But most hormones have their logical limitations. Some much higher than others, but at some point a specific hormone will reach its threshold and not suspend in a solution.
 
Warrior Saint said:
I would chime in and say that I seriously doubt that being able to exist. And if it was possible to avoid the extra 1ml of oil, why subject your body to such an extensive amount of solvents and co-solvents?

I will be happy to put this to test, as I had done fro myself in the past and brew up some 150mg/ml Test Prop with cottonseed oil or grape seed as a carrier, BA and BB and then happily let anyone who would like to pin it and then tell me if it is crippling or not.

The easiest way to look at this argument is what does Pharma do? Real Pharma not some UG incorrectly using the word Pharma...Pfizer, Organnon, Watson, etc. Testosterone Propionate was designed by the pharmaceutical companies at a 50mg/ml formula. This was decided upon as the proportionate formula for a therapeutic dose taking into consideration hormone stability and comfort of the user. We as the end user, and UG's wanting to provide their customer what they asked for, is the reason why the limits have been stretched.

But most hormones have their logical limitations. Some much higher than others, but at some point a specific hormone will reach its threshold and not suspend in a solution.
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Killer Answer.. Right on Neri
 
Jrbdallas said:
Xeno,

Way back, maybe 2 years ago when I first got into all this, I got prop 300 lol. So are you saying there is no possibility of that being able to exist? I had doubt obviously.


There was zero pip with it too. Like equivillant to injecting smooth test e.

Just curious. I know you have some extensive knowledge and it just popped into my head after reading your comment. Sorry op for briefly high jacking lol

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk
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Im not sure if it would be possible, if it were possible the solvent levels would have to be ungodly, it would need to be something like 2% BA 30% BB and 15% guaiacol in Ethyl oleate as the carrier.

However prop 200 can definitely exist, it just definitely doesn't exist at 12% BB with the recipe he gave, if i remember correctly the carrier wasnt EO and there was no guaiacol. With this recipe its impossible.

Not trying to bash on anyone though, just spreading some knowledge for the members and the source.

XENO

BTW: never use any oils that have Guaiacol in them, its a class 5 toxicity, this is why people get sick from TNE.
You're not going to die from it in the concentrations used and quantity injected among bodybuilders, but it certainly can make you sick and is definitely not doing your body any favors.
 
Xeno Pharmaceuticals said:
Im not sure if it would be possible, if it were possible the solvent levels would have to be ungodly, it would need to be something like 2% BA 30% BB and 15% guaiacol in Ethyl oleate as the carrier.

However prop 200 can definitely exist, it just definitely doesn't exist at 12% BB with the recipe he gave, if i remember correctly the carrier wasnt EO and there was no guaiacol. With this recipe its impossible.

Not trying to bash on anyone though, just spreading some knowledge for the members and the source.

XENO

BTW: never use any oils that have Guaiacol in them, its a class 5 toxicity, this is why people get sick from TNE.
You're not going to die from it in the concentrations used and quantity injected among bodybuilders, but it certainly can make you sick and is definitely not doing your body any favors.
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I have used guaiacol oils in the past. Can't say I was able to tell a difference but definitely appreciate the heads up on that.

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Warrior is entirely correct that every substance has a defined limit. If Test prop 300 were possible, it would only be possible in a highly toxic format, even benzyl benzoate is slightly toxic as a class 2 toxicity.

Almost 50% of the vial being solvents is simply unhealthy. Ill never make anything with guaiacol in it and ill never use more than 25% BB. I have an unopened vial of 100ml guaiacol if any wants it actually, i bought it and then did some research and i never even unwrapped it.

XENO
 
Xeno Pharmaceuticals said:
Warrior is entirely correct that every substance has a defined limit. If Test prop 300 were possible, it would only be possible in a highly toxic format, even benzyl benzoate is slightly toxic as a class 2 toxicity.

Almost 50% of the vial being solvents is simply unhealthy. Ill never make anything with guaiacol in it and ill never use more than 25% BB. I have an unopened vial of 100ml guaiacol if any wants it actually, i bought it and then did some research and i never even unwrapped it.

XENO
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Good man..
 
Xeno Pharmaceuticals said:
Im not sure if it would be possible, if it were possible the solvent levels would have to be ungodly, it would need to be something like 2% BA 30% BB and 15% guaiacol in Ethyl oleate as the carrier.

However prop 200 can definitely exist, it just definitely doesn't exist at 12% BB with the recipe he gave, if i remember correctly the carrier wasnt EO and there was no guaiacol. With this recipe its impossible.

Not trying to bash on anyone though, just spreading some knowledge for the members and the source.

XENO

BTW: never use any oils that have Guaiacol in them, its a class 5 toxicity, this is why people get sick from TNE.
You're not going to die from it in the concentrations used and quantity injected among bodybuilders, but it certainly can make you sick and is definitely not doing your body any favors.
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Thanks for the knowledge and for looking out for others!
 
Yeah, it depends on the concentration of your oil and the quantity and frequency of injection. 1ml 20% guaiacol TNE everyday, you'll feel off at the least, many others will be noticeably sick. Thats .2mL of guaiacol a day not including the BB and possibly other guaiacol compounds they may be using. 5ml of guaiacol killed a girl.

Other brews like Test E 500 will use far less guaiacol, such as 5-10% and your not injecting a CC everyday so this would be more difficult to notice, twice a week .05ml of guaiacol wont be too noticeable for most but not noticeable doesn't mean healthy.

What were you using?

XENO
 
Xeno Pharmaceuticals said:
Yeah, it depends on the concentration of your oil and the quantity and frequency of injection. 1ml 20% guaiacol TNE everyday, you'll feel off at the least, many others will be noticeably sick. Thats .2mL of guaiacol a day not including the BB and possibly other guaiacol compounds they may be using. 5ml of guaiacol killed a girl.

Other brews like Test E 500 will use far less guaiacol, such as 5-10% and your not injecting a CC everyday so this would be more difficult to notice, twice a week .05ml of guaiacol wont be too noticeable for most but not noticeable doesn't mean healthy.

What were you using?

XENO
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I have always been a big opponent of using more chemicals in a formula than necessary, and just like you Xeno never a fan of guaicol. People sometimes dont realize that many of these compounds will hold using a lot less chemicals. You mention Test E and that is a good one to point to. Test E will hold at 300mg with zero BB. A formula of oil and say 2% BA is the way to go. I see a lot of people complaining about an extra ml of oil but not taking into consideration the other components. I personally think pinning 2ml of Test E with no BB and just a carrier oil that is not that bad for your system, vs 1ml of Test 500 or greater that needs a ton of BB, or guaicol just doesnt make sense.

If a brewer is familiar with his compounds, as it is obvious you are, these things are common knowledge. But what I am seeing is a lot of users, and homebrewers that seem to lack even the most basic education in things that I believe are absolute necessary before even beginning to consider brewing. There is no way that people should be confused about what micron filter should be used, or have no clue why they use a certain membrane....it scares me to think of their sterilization technique.

And even if you are not a homebrewer these are all serious questions everyone should ask their source. And questions that should be easily and readily answered.
 
Thanks for the solid insight...
Warrior Saint said:
I have always been a big opponent of using more chemicals in a formula than necessary, and just like you Xeno never a fan of guaicol. People sometimes dont realize that many of these compounds will hold using a lot less chemicals. You mention Test E and that is a good one to point to. Test E will hold at 300mg with zero BB. A formula of oil and say 2% BA is the way to go. I see a lot of people complaining about an extra ml of oil but not taking into consideration the other components. I personally think pinning 2ml of Test E with no BB and just a carrier oil that is not that bad for your system, vs 1ml of Test 500 or greater that needs a ton of BB, or guaicol just doesnt make sense.

If a brewer is familiar with his compounds, as it is obvious you are, these things are common knowledge. But what I am seeing is a lot of users, and homebrewers that seem to lack even the most basic education in things that I believe are absolute necessary before even beginning to consider brewing. There is no way that people should be confused about what micron filter should be used, or have no clue why they use a certain membrane....it scares me to think of their sterilization technique.

And even if you are not a homebrewer these are all serious questions everyone should ask their source. And questions that should be easily and readily answered.
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Xeno Pharmaceuticals said:
Yeah, 200mg/ml you need well over 20%. I can get mine to hold with extra heat and 30% BB, but 12% is simply impossible. Either meaning the powder is very impure or a different compound, or they lied about the solvent concentration. However i don't see a motive for the later so i presume its the former.

I tried to point this out but this is the first anyone felt it was of concern.

XENO
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First off in all honesty I do not believe Z got busted, actually I can almost guarantee you he didnt, the fucking recent trend patterns or should I say a new habbit of his was becoming a usual thing, and to be honest it actually started a while ago, many of you may not have even been here but Z was slowly being seen less and less but he had a reason, not a big deal, who knows what it was but its non of our concern as long as the packs were still landing. Honestly I think well hear something soon. BUT,

Xeno Pharmaceuticals said:
Yeah, 200mg/ml you need well over 20%. I can get mine to hold with extra heat and 30% BB, but 12% is simply impossible. Either meaning the powder is very impure or a different compound, or they lied about the solvent concentration. However i don't see a motive for the later so i presume its the former.

I tried to point this out but this is the first anyone felt it was of concern.

XENO
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haha you guys are taking this test p200 and over analyzing the hell out of it, want to know why he was going after trying to make it? lol go back to page 1 and start reading how many people were more then ready for good news an its actual release. I make my TP200 that has zero pip.... and watch how many people will be very interested in using it brother...
Charles3 said:
Cool stuff looking forward to reading some feedback on the prop
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jp4355 said:
Sounds like an Interesting product.
What's the BA/BB ratio.............................. JP
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thechemicals said:
Keep us updated testers!!
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Strengthbyfaith11 said:
I loved my Prop cycle when I ran it with tren. Mine was 100mg. Would be very interested to see how 200 treats people. Great thinking Z
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Oh! haha there you were Strenght
remy8616 said:
Would love to give a shot buddy. Currently on tren test and var cycle going eod
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I dont even want to add more lol, its just a product haha nothing was behind it besides trying to bring a 200mg prop to the purchasing table... But Xeno... this one here:
Xeno Pharmaceuticals said:
I tried to point this out but this is the first anyone felt it was of concern.

XENO
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haha dude I wont even quote my words, but ill tell you the only thing that had me suprised here was one thing, that it was Z that wanted it to hold, because believe it or not haha he has some high mg shit that held well a while back lol, Z knows his shit, believe me, and to be honest, theres actually a great deal more to compounding drug delivery formulations then any forum has to offer, dont get me wrong for many its all thats simply desired, for others it may be a fun hobby, and for some... a hobby turned obsession lol... which is where products like this usually come from... ... Anyhow not trying to get into it, on the other hand yall know im nothing but a fuckin straight shooter and perhaps came off as to much of one with wrong intentions, and that truly wasnt my agenda, I give credit where its due, but perhaps this was credit given in the form of constructive critisism haha anyhow sit tight the guy will surface
 
BuryMeBig said:
First off in all honesty I do not believe Z got busted, actually I can almost guarantee you he didnt, the fucking recent trend patterns or should I say a new habbit of his was becoming a usual thing, and to be honest it actually started a while ago, many of you may not have even been here but Z was slowly being seen less and less but he had a reason, not a big deal, who knows what it was but its non of our concern as long as the packs were still landing. Honestly I think well hear something soon. BUT,



haha you guys are taking this test p200 and over analyzing the hell out of it, want to know why he was going after trying to make it? lol go back to page 1 and start reading how many people were more then ready for good news an its actual release. I make my TP200 that has zero pip.... and watch how many people will be very interested in using it brother...




Oh! haha there you were Strenght

I dont even want to add more lol, its just a product haha nothing was behind it besides trying to bring a 200mg prop to the purchasing table... But Xeno... this one here:

haha dude I wont even quote my words, but ill tell you the only thing that had me suprised here was one thing, that it was Z that wanted it to hold, because believe it or not haha he has some high mg shit that held well a while back lol, Z knows his shit, believe me, and to be honest, theres actually a great deal more to compounding drug delivery formulations then any forum has to offer, dont get me wrong for many its all thats simply desired, for others it may be a fun hobby, and for some... a hobby turned obsession lol... which is where products like this usually come from... ... Anyhow not trying to get into it, on the other hand yall know im nothing but a fuckin straight shooter and perhaps came off as to much of one with wrong intentions, and that truly wasnt my agenda, I give credit where its due, but perhaps this was credit given in the form of constructive critisism haha anyhow sit tight the guy will surface
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Im just giving out some information and i dont want to argue with anyone either so i hope you dont take this that way but the first few responses to my posts you quoted looks as though you're talking to yourself. I never claimed Z wasn't around, and i never analyzed why he would want to make TP200?

All ive said in regard to Z was the recipe he gave for test prop 200mg/mL is impossible, i don't care who it is, that exact recipe he gave will not hold 200mg of test prop in a 10ml vial. That recipe might hold 125 or something around there but not a chance in hell at 200.

XENO
 
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