[TD PICS] Life Forge Testosterone & Retatrutide

[vanlife_gymbum]

Life Forge Log 2nd Re-Up
Testosterone and Retatrutide​

I'm now in the second month of a theee month cycle logging testosterone and retatrutide for Life Forge. The retatrutide is two weeks behind the testosterone.

The log supplies arrived today:

Two packets of micro-needles this time to accommodate my change to EOD dosing of retatrutide as recommended by @LevButlerov to address the issues I was having.

Thanks @SaintSoup - they don't carry anything over 31g at the needle exchange.

EOD dosing is far superior than once or twice a week on my body, I'm very thankful Lev suggested it and won't be going back to anything less than three times a week for reta. I don't have any issues with side effects at all anymore.

Things are going great. My self-administrated Testosterone Injection Therapy plan in particular is going better than I ever imagined it would.

My low testosterone symptoms which slowly built over the three years I've been on the methadone program reversed all at once in the first two weeks, so I think I had a much more noticeable response to injecting testosterone.

I'm atcually happy. I've had my sense of inner peace and serenity return, largely provided by the gods of my ancestors I made contact with by sobering up and via the 12 Steps, but were dulled and even partially blocked by low testosterone.

Until you've lost all the things provided to us by testosterone you can't understand what they are or how devastating it is. I was aware of what I was missing, but had no drive to fix it, nor could I function at all like I used to be able to.

Even while loaded up on herion and alcohol I could still shower and show up to my position in the financial industry or military industrial complex, depending on which one was offering me the most herion-tokens that year.

But not on low testosterone. I couldn't do anything. I would have shot myself in the head eventually.

That line of thinking now seems so foreign it almost feels like something someone else told me happened them, not something I thought. I just need to have reliable and Evo-verified sources and stick to my TIT plan.

The placebo effect can take you a long way, but not this far. So my guess is that the gear is completely legit, but that's not how we roll here on Evo.

I'm working as hard as I can to get the recommended week six blood testing done and will post the results as soon as possible.

I got the doctors at the methadone clinic to agree to give me the baseline test results I took seven weeks ago before my first injection and will post them as soon as they give me them. They were liver, kidney, testosterone level bloods, and an ECG.

First things first though:

It's time to pin the nectar of the mangods.

More accurate interpretation of .23ml:

Into the right quad today because I can't photograph pinning my ass.

Skill issue, not willingness issue:

I missed one or two retatrutide doses and it started to wear off on the weekend and I ate a bit more than usual. Still way under maintenance but more none the less.

Now I have a bit more understanding on how the retatrutide works on me. Today I had twice the usual EOD dose.

I may feel a little weird tomorrow but whatever, I'll take it. The shot that made me feel sick and not train for a day was 2mg, this one a bit over two thirds of that.

Plus I may have a tolerance building which @HarleyGuy recently told me about, so interested to see what happens with that too.

Just going to reconstitute the retatrutide the way I did it last time, 10mg in 3ml of bac water:

Then loaded 40 IU into the micro-pick, double my usual EOD dose:

Then pinch a fold of skin and dart it into the fat and slowly unload the pick and regain control of your diet:

Life Forge made me a link to share with Evo guys that gives a discount which I'm happy to give you of you DM me.

 

[LevButlerov]

Life Forge Log 2nd Re-Up
Testosterone and Retatrutide​

I'm now in the second month of a theee month cycle logging testosterone and retatrutide for Life Forge. The retatrutide is two weeks behind the testosterone.

The log supplies arrived today:

View attachment 129045

Two packets of micro-needles this time to accommodate my change to EOD dosing of retatrutide as recommended by @LevButlerov to address the issues I was having.

Thanks @SaintSoup - they don't carry anything over 31g at the needle exchange.

EOD dosing is far superior than once or twice a week on my body, I'm very thankful Lev suggested it and won't be going back to anything less than three times a week for reta. I don't have any issues with side effects at all anymore.

View attachment 129052

Things are going great. My self-administrated Testosterone Injection Therapy plan in particular is going better than I ever imagined it would.

My low testosterone symptoms which slowly built over the three years I've been on the methadone program reversed all at once in the first two weeks, so I think I had a much more noticeable response to injecting testosterone.

I'm atcually happy. I've had my sense of inner peace and serenity return, largely provided by the gods of my ancestors I made contact with by sobering up and via the 12 Steps, but were dulled and even partially blocked by low testosterone.

Until you've lost all the things provided to us by testosterone you can't understand what they are or how devastating it is. I was aware of what I was missing, but had no drive to fix it, nor could I function at all like I used to be able to.

Even while loaded up on herion and alcohol I could still shower and show up to my position in the financial industry or military industrial complex, depending on which one was offering me the most herion-tokens that year.

But not on low testosterone. I couldn't do anything. I would have shot myself in the head eventually.

View attachment 129053

That line of thinking now seems so foreign it almost feels like something someone else told me happened them, not something I thought. I just need to have reliable and Evo-verified sources and stick to my TIT plan.

The placebo effect can take you a long way, but not this far. So my guess is that the gear is completely legit, but that's not how we roll here on Evo.

I'm working as hard as I can to get the recommended week six blood testing done and will post the results as soon as possible.

I got the doctors at the methadone clinic to agree to give me the baseline test results I took seven weeks ago before my first injection and will post them as soon as they give me them. They were liver, kidney, testosterone level bloods, and an ECG.

First things first though:

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It's time to pin the nectar of the mangods.

View attachment 129041

More accurate interpretation of .23ml:

View attachment 129042

Into the right quad today because I can't photograph pinning my ass.

Skill issue, not willingness issue:

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I missed one or two retatrutide doses and it started to wear off on the weekend and I ate a bit more than usual. Still way under maintenance but more none the less.

Now I have a bit more understanding on how the retatrutide works on me. Today I had twice the usual EOD dose.

I may feel a little weird tomorrow but whatever, I'll take it. The shot that made me feel sick and not train for a day was 2mg, this one a bit over two thirds of that.

Plus I may have a tolerance building which @HarleyGuy recently told me about, so interested to see what happens with that too.

Just going to reconstitute the retatrutide the way I did it last time, 10mg in 3ml of bac water:

View attachment 129044

Then loaded 40 IU into the micro-pick, double my usual EOD dose:

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Then pinch a fold of skin and dart it into the fat and slowly unload the pick and regain control of your diet:

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Life Forge made me a link to share with Evo guys that gives a discount which I'm happy to give you of you DM me.

Awesome update, that’s a solid setup and the EOD retatrutide switch clearly suits you better. The gear looks clean and the results speak for themselves, big turnaround in mood and drive. @vanlife_gymbum

Test therapy is clearly doing its job and you’re dialed in well now, just make sure bloodwork comes in around week 6 before any more tweaks. Can you get bloods done?
Keep logging, this is quality data for others running similar stacks. True top GUN!

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Awesome update, that’s a solid setup and the EOD retatrutide switch clearly suits you better. The gear looks clean and the results speak for themselves, big turnaround in mood and drive. @vanlife_gymbum

Test therapy is clearly doing its job and you’re dialed in well now, just make sure bloodwork comes in around week 6 before any more tweaks. Can you get bloods done?
Keep logging, this is quality data for others running similar stacks. True top GUN!

Thanks man definitely getting bloods, got two things happening currently, trying to atcually get the results the doctor said they give me at our appointment last week. Judging from previous things, that could take up to two years. And secondly I found a lab that does on demand testing which I can afford individually one at a time one a week. Check out their stock art:

Very subtle but they seem to have all the shit I need - I don't usually read much into marketing but this site is laden with symbolism and I'm pretty sure this is the type of place I am looking for. I get tests on demand and they email them... the mainstream places were several hundreds does panel tests.

It's day 49 now so I'm already late and am worried about Estrogen stuff. I just feel like I'm a sitting duck and while I don't have my head in the sand I'm still blind. I have these in my case but they're just sitting there:

 

[HarleyGuy]

It's day 49 now so I'm already late and am worried about Estrogen stuff.

Keep us posted on your joints, mood, and libido and it's possible we can see if your e2 is high or low just based on this for now. As you progress you'll get to know if your e2 is high and especially when it's low.

Great logging brother 5 gold stars for you!

 

[Silentwarx]

Thanks man definitely getting bloods, got two things happening currently, trying to atcually get the results the doctor said they give me at our appointment last week. Judging from previous things, that could take up to two years. And secondly I found a lab that does on demand testing which I can afford individually one at a time one a week. Check out their stock art:


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Very subtle but they seem to have all the shit I need - I don't usually read much into marketing but this site is laden with symbolism and I'm pretty sure this is the type of place I am looking for. I get tests on demand and they email them... the mainstream places were several hundreds does panel tests.

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It's day 49 now so I'm already late and am worried about Estrogen stuff. I just feel like I'm a sitting duck and while I don't have my head in the sand I'm still blind. I have these in my case but they're just sitting there:

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PathLab is the way to go bro.

Pay online. Go to nearest lab. No appointment needed. Get jabbed.

Results in less than a week.

Nevermind fucking around waiting for a GP in this country.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

PathLab is the way to go bro.

Pay online. Go to nearest lab. No appointment needed. Get jabbed.

Results in less than a week.

That's awesome thanks bro, it sounds totally perfect. All the other options seemed out of my reach or unreasonable. I just stopped taking the medication that was requiring me to be tested which I was sorta using off label for Evo, to make room for some turinabol or anavar in the next few months

Where about are you bro? I'm in Wellington, might go give it a shot today.

Nevermind fucking around waiting for a GP in this country.

Haha don't get me started bro.. unless you're also unemployed and have all day

I avoided doctors completely for 20 years then kinda had my hand forced by overdosing and now I can't get rid of them. I wasted two years just trying to get my baseline test levels done, now I have two tests but they haven't yet giving me the results, that's why my log doesn't contain them yet... you get what you pay for

I very nearly started on government TRT, man thar would have been a huge mistake, they required all sorts of tests all the fucking time too, way worse than methadone. Be funny to see their reaction when you're blasting tho

Hey did know you can get free Cialis form any pharmacist kinda like nicotine patches? I was thinking about writing a thread about it for the NZ section here and seeing if we can get some more kiwis to come out of the shadows.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Keep us posted on your joints, mood, and libido and it's possible we can see if your e2 is high or low just based on this for now. As you progress you'll get to know if your e2 is high and especially when it's low.

Great logging brother 5 gold stars for you!

Thanks bro I really appreciate all your support. The mood angle is interesting, I'll start doing that. After it was mentioned on the podcast a few weeks ago I noticed my Samsung tracker watch app has a whole main feature section dedicated to it. It does make good sense, we're messing with some dark arts playing with hormones. That's why I was keen on doing testosterone only to start with and also introducing the next things one at a time so I can get that sort of data as cleanly as possible.

Would you mind suggesting which tests I should get first that'd be most useful for figuring that out?
I'm gonna start today and also have a crack at getting the government to pay. I'm riding on the undeserved credit on Evo and don't atcually know shit about the social welfare system, there's this lady who also has a van and lives at the beach down the road and she got the government to pay for her entire van build.

I couldn't believe it but I ran this by her and she gave me a way I might be able to get them to front for it then pay then back at a rate of 7.3% of the dole they give me I'm curious as to who wins out of them or the traffic fines.. hot competition for that 10% auto deduction limit

I think unfortunately libido isn't going to be reliable for me until I'm off methadone, it fucks with that stuff like nothing else. I don't remember suppressing myself that much while out using tho maybe the alcohol was making it swing the other way.

Thanks for the advice bro. I learnt a lot from reading your gyno protocol stuff but this area and AIs and SERMs in general I don't have a good handle on.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Would you mind suggesting which tests I should get first that'd be most useful for figuring that out?

If you have to pay for them yourself and get them one at a time I'd get them in this order:
1. Estradiol (e2) and Progesterone
2. Total and Free Test
3. Cortisol
4. TSH

Make the clinic run your lipids, CBC, WBC, etc that should be covered I'm almost sure.

I'm not too worried about your prolactin with what your cycle is.

All these play a factor in mood amongst many others.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks man definitely getting bloods, got two things happening currently, trying to atcually get the results the doctor said they give me at our appointment last week. Judging from previous things, that could take up to two years. And secondly I found a lab that does on demand testing which I can afford individually one at a time one a week. Check out their stock art:


View attachment 129189

Very subtle but they seem to have all the shit I need - I don't usually read much into marketing but this site is laden with symbolism and I'm pretty sure this is the type of place I am looking for. I get tests on demand and they email them... the mainstream places were several hundreds does panel tests.

View attachment 129190

It's day 49 now so I'm already late and am worried about Estrogen stuff. I just feel like I'm a sitting duck and while I don't have my head in the sand I'm still blind. I have these in my case but they're just sitting there:

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That site looks like the right move for quick private panels, just start with total test, e2, lipids, and liver so you get baseline clarity fast. Getting results weekly is a great plan and far better than waiting months for the doctor. @vanlife_gymbum

Since it’s day 49, go ahead and schedule the e2 and test panel this week so you can decide if you need to start the AI from that pack. Once you get numbers, post them up here so the dosing can be adjusted properly.

 

[HarleyGuy]

That site looks like the right move for quick private panels, just start with total test, e2, lipids, and liver so you get baseline clarity fast. Getting results weekly is a great plan and far better than waiting months for the doctor. @vanlife_gymbum

Since it’s day 49, go ahead and schedule the e2 and test panel this week so you can decide if you need to start the AI from that pack. Once you get numbers, post them up here so the dosing can be adjusted properly.

Agreed. Once you can afford e2 and total test get that.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

That site looks like the right move for quick private panels, just start with total test, e2, lipids, and liver so you get baseline clarity fast. Getting results weekly is a great plan and far better than waiting months for the doctor. @vanlife_gymbum

Since it’s day 49, go ahead and schedule the e2 and test panel this week so you can decide if you need to start the AI from that pack. Once you get numbers, post them up here so the dosing can be adjusted properly.

Thanks for your advice bro. I think this is pretty important so I asked my Dad for help and he's gonna get them all for me. I don't like to ask my parents often but this is cool. I quit school and moved out of home when I was 15 and started working full time, so never really had money things with them, until I properly fucked my life up haha.

But my parents are really happy I'm doing this here. My Dad is a big 12 Step guy and is pretty pleased I have a sponsor here (@HarleyGuy) and my Mum has been pressuring me to write for quite a while.

In 2019 I wrote a chapter of this woman's book who I did some pro-bono forensics work for (she got scammed into carrying a few kilos of cocaine and got arrested overseas and I helped get her out of jail) and my Mum liked it and wants me to write more.

I didn't tell them I'm worried about growing tits that might leak, but got the message across that I and others would benefit from this data

I'll walk into town tomorrow and go in and sign up. I priced all these ones up at $290 total:

Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH)​

​

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG)​

​

Luteinising Hormone (LH)​

​

Oestradiol (E2)​

​

Creatine kinase (CK)​

​

Liver Function Tests (LFT)​

​

Lipids​

​

Testosterone​

​

Vitamin B12​

 

[HarleyGuy]

I'll walk into town tomorrow and go in and sign up. I priced all these ones up at $290 total:

Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH)Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG)Luteinising Hormone (LH)Oestradiol (E2)Creatine kinase (CK)Liver Function Tests (LFT)LipidsTestosteroneVitamin B12

Since money is an issue that is a decent list. Looking forward to seeing the results. If you can afford it next time add in free testosterone and SHBG.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Since money is an issue that is a decent list. Looking forward to seeing the results. If you can afford it next time add in free testosterone and SHBG.

Their site is a bit vague on the details of the testosterone test but definitely need to get free test and anything else test related in, I was going to make sure in person and add whatever is missing. Do have SHGB covered though.

I hope they can use a butterfly or something and one hole. All my easy arm veins are collapsed execpt one but it's been so long the scaring is gone on the collapsed ones but they're so shit at needles at the blood lab that just from those monthly blood tests for antabuse I got track marks on the good one so I dunno if it could take all those individually

 

[HarleyGuy]

Their site is a bit vague on the details of the testosterone test but definitely need to get free test and anything else test related in, I was going to make sure in person and add whatever is missing. Do have SHGB covered though.

I hope they can use a butterfly or something and one hole. All my easy arm veins are collapsed execpt one but it's been so long the scaring is gone on the collapsed ones but they're so shit at needles at the blood lab that just from those monthly blood tests for antabuse I got track marks on the good one so I dunno if it could take all those individually

If you have to choose between the two just get Total T for now.

If they have any clue what they're doing they can use any vein you have that is pumped from lifting. My forearm veins at the back protrude so much my stepson asked me if I have a disease LOL. They can use your hand too it will just take longer. Be sure and hydrate up real good before going in or it will leak out like a drippy tap.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

If you have to choose between the two just get Total T for now.

Okay will do man, sure they can do both, they seem pretty complete but it appears to be a NZ wing of an Australian blood lab and their site is a bit micky mouse and I read like six paragraphs and erection monitoring on prepubescent boys and decided I'd just wall into town and ask.

If they have any clue what they're doing they can use any vein you have that is pumped from lifting. My forearm veins at the back protrude so much my stepson asked me if I have a disease LOL.

Haha that's awesome!! Your arm is nice and meaty! Do you like the veins thing? I've been hearing about people choosing gear stacks specifically to make that happen which struck me as odd but I'm probably missing something.

I gotta say even at my level I would have killed for these new veins when I was a junkie. This one down the back of my arm I kinda knew was there from vein maps is now popping out (3).

1 is where my elbow crook entry point is totally collapsed. This one never came back but it used to be super obviously scared up with track marks even after 4 years which are all gone. For some reason I learn bicep shots next which most can't do but they're a pain and I needed to do push-ups first and couldn't be assed usually. 2 the blood testing track marks I mentioned. It should be that way IMHO. 3 is this new rope or is thar the artery down by the bottom of your wrist? Doesn't really matter because they won't attempt that. And I dunno if it's just my colourblindness where I can't see shades but I can't even tell where the track marks used to be anymore.

They can use your hand too it will just take longer. Be sure and hydrate up real good before going in or it will leak out like a drippy tap.

You'd think so right. It usually takes half an hour and blood gets on the wall. They are not good at needles which I find kinda unacceptable to be honest, I mean it's a blood testing lab, why can't they, why don't they use the vein finders or something, they even have one at the needle exchange. Here you have to like, apply for it, arg it's not worth explaining but the worst thing is they won't let help. I mean it's mu fixkong arm so I can feel where it is, if she held tape in her hand, I stuck the butterfly point in the scar vein which is good and she taped it, it would be over and she can start pumping and change the vial on the other end and not have to touch my arm again. Silly policies for no good reason and I have to wear it.

If all the EQ blood stuff I've been learning about happens for me I'm gonna pump it out myself. There's a kit at the needle exchange but my cousin who works at the bloodbank at the hospital is gonna get me some of their stuff if I need it. Recon I could offer that service round the back of the gym?

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

I'm not too worried about your prolactin with what your cycle is.

All these play a factor in mood amongst many others.

This is good info cheers man. I setup my tracker watches mood monitoring feature so 10am and 8pm it's gonna ask and basically it makes my wrist vibrate and asks and has a list of basic ones. I might have to add a few but I've need pretty steady the last month mood wise, either atcually happy or neutral.

These are the theee screens it goes through on the watch or phone, can add freehand notes too:

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks for your advice bro. I think this is pretty important so I asked my Dad for help and he's gonna get them all for me. I don't like to ask my parents often but this is cool. I quit school and moved out of home when I was 15 and started working full time, so never really had money things with them, until I properly fucked my life up haha.

But my parents are really happy I'm doing this here. My Dad is a big 12 Step guy and is pretty pleased I have a sponsor here (@HarleyGuy) and my Mum has been pressuring me to write for quite a while.

In 2019 I wrote a chapter of this woman's book who I did some pro-bono forensics work for (she got scammed into carrying a few kilos of cocaine and got arrested overseas and I helped get her out of jail) and my Mum liked it and wants me to write more.

I didn't tell them I'm worried about growing tits that might leak, but got the message across that I and others would benefit from this data

I'll walk into town tomorrow and go in and sign up. I priced all these ones up at $290 total:

Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH)​

​

Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG)​

​

Luteinising Hormone (LH)​

​

Oestradiol (E2)​

​

Creatine kinase (CK)​

​

Liver Function Tests (LFT)​

​

Lipids​

​

Testosterone​

​

Vitamin B12​

That’s a solid list and smart move getting full labs with your dad’s support. Those tests will give a clear picture of hormone function, liver health, and recovery status.

Add prolactin and fasting glucose if possible since they help spot early hormonal or metabolic shifts. You’re doing the right thing by getting proper data before making any new changes. @vanlife_gymbum

and thank you @HarleyGuy for the support our EVO brother! true man with a heart.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Okay will do man, sure they can do both, they seem pretty complete but it appears to be a NZ wing of an Australian blood lab and their site is a bit micky mouse and I read like six paragraphs and erection monitoring on prepubescent boys and decided I'd just wall into town and ask.



Haha that's awesome!! Your arm is nice and meaty! Do you like the veins thing? I've been hearing about people choosing gear stacks specifically to make that happen which struck me as odd but I'm probably missing something.

I gotta say even at my level I would have killed for these new veins when I was a junkie. This one down the back of my arm I kinda knew was there from vein maps is now popping out (3).

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1 is where my elbow crook entry point is totally collapsed. This one never came back but it used to be super obviously scared up with track marks even after 4 years which are all gone. For some reason I learn bicep shots next which most can't do but they're a pain and I needed to do push-ups first and couldn't be assed usually. 2 the blood testing track marks I mentioned. It should be that way IMHO. 3 is this new rope or is thar the artery down by the bottom of your wrist? Doesn't really matter because they won't attempt that. And I dunno if it's just my colourblindness where I can't see shades but I can't even tell where the track marks used to be anymore.



You'd think so right. It usually takes half an hour and blood gets on the wall. They are not good at needles which I find kinda unacceptable to be honest, I mean it's a blood testing lab, why can't they, why don't they use the vein finders or something, they even have one at the needle exchange. Here you have to like, apply for it, arg it's not worth explaining but the worst thing is they won't let help. I mean it's mu fixkong arm so I can feel where it is, if she held tape in her hand, I stuck the butterfly point in the scar vein which is good and she taped it, it would be over and she can start pumping and change the vial on the other end and not have to touch my arm again. Silly policies for no good reason and I have to wear it.

If all the EQ blood stuff I've been learning about happens for me I'm gonna pump it out myself. There's a kit at the needle exchange but my cousin who works at the bloodbank at the hospital is gonna get me some of their stuff if I need it. Recon I could offer that service round the back of the gym?

Haha that's awesome!! Your arm is nice and meaty! Do you like the veins thing? I've been hearing about people choosing gear stacks specifically to make that happen which struck me as odd but I'm probably missing something.

Veins in my forearms started in my late 20's after heavy lifting since I was 16-18. My shoulders got them next and now my legs are so crazy I'm starting to give blood LOL. The mast gave me veins literally in my midsection which are still there in the morning. I only have the one bicep vein a little bit visible but only on one arm, fuck if I know why just the one arm.

I gotta say even at my level I would have killed for these new veins when I was a junkie. This one down the back of my arm I kinda knew was there from vein maps is now popping out (3).

#3 looks like it's good to go. Tell them you want it plunged into that wormy one you're good to go there. They will fuck up #5 if it's amateur hour over there so kybosh #5.

 

[HarleyGuy]

and thank you @HarleyGuy for the support our EVO brother! true man with a heart.

It's actually my pleasure. I love sitting here helping out literally until my ass is sore. Luckily I can type like an old woman with her hair in a bun and a cigarette hanging out of her mouth going her 30th year as a secretary.

 

[LevButlerov]

It's actually my pleasure. I love sitting here helping out literally until my ass is sore. Luckily I can type like an old woman with her hair in a bun and a cigarette hanging out of her mouth going her 30th year as a secretary.

That’s the real grind right there, putting in the hours till the chair leaves an imprint, hopefully lean glutes imprint
You’re basically the Olympia champ of office endurance typing through the pain I feel it at times on my hands @HarleyGuy

 

[HarleyGuy]

That’s the real grind right there, putting in the hours till the chair leaves an imprint, hopefully lean glutes imprint
You’re basically the Olympia champ of office endurance typing through the pain I feel it at times on my hands @HarleyGuy

Hahahaha. I'm laughing out loud right now because I just got up and looked at my "comfort ass pillow" I sit on on my desk chair at my desktop and it's completely flat and doing nothing for me right now. I'm lean enough that now my bones are digging into the cushion and my ass hurts. That's EVO love right there.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hahahaha. I'm laughing out loud right now because I just got up and looked at my "comfort ass pillow" I sit on on my desk chair at my desktop and it's completely flat and doing nothing for me right now. I'm lean enough that now my bones are digging into the cushion and my ass hurts. That's EVO love right there.

I got myself a big pillow from walmart for sitting, works well lol @HarleyGuy
Huge EVO family love your way!

 

[Silentwarx]

That's awesome thanks bro, it sounds totally perfect. All the other options seemed out of my reach or unreasonable. I just stopped taking the medication that was requiring me to be tested which I was sorta using off label for Evo, to make room for some turinabol or anavar in the next few months

Where about are you bro? I'm in Wellington, might go give it a shot today.



Haha don't get me started bro.. unless you're also unemployed and have all day

I avoided doctors completely for 20 years then kinda had my hand forced by overdosing and now I can't get rid of them. I wasted two years just trying to get my baseline test levels done, now I have two tests but they haven't yet giving me the results, that's why my log doesn't contain them yet... you get what you pay for

I very nearly started on government TRT, man thar would have been a huge mistake, they required all sorts of tests all the fucking time too, way worse than methadone. Be funny to see their reaction when you're blasting tho

Hey did know you can get free Cialis form any pharmacist kinda like nicotine patches? I was thinking about writing a thread about it for the NZ section here and seeing if we can get some more kiwis to come out of the shadows.

I’m up in the Bay of Plenty bro.

Paid for my bloods last week online, $200 for the panel I needed. Walked in today, joined the queue, was in and out in 20 minutes.

Results probably next week.

GPs are diabolical to get an appointment. Even if you had all day, most in my area are booked for weeks - even for a phone consult. It’s insane.

I did not know about Cialis - I just got mine from kiwibulk when I ordered gear off him, but I’ve barely touched it as my relationship ended partway through my cycle

That shit is easy enough to get through customs anyway though. Have purchased plenty of pills and never had an issue with delivery. I don’t think pharmaceuticals are really much of a concern for them, and not in such small quantities.

 

[SaintSoup]

Thanks for the shout out. Great progress so far man super stoaked for you. The effort you are putting into turning things around for yourself is super inspiring.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks for the shout out. Great progress so far man super stoaked for you. The effort you are putting into turning things around for yourself is super inspiring.

Good to see you back @SaintSoup in the EVO family!
@vanlife_gymbum is heading NZ section now, talk to him, get yourself approved.
And fix him up for his log please.

 

[SaintSoup]

Good to see you back @SaintSoup in the EVO family!
@vanlife_gymbum is heading NZ section now, talk to him, get yourself approved.
And fix him up for his log please.

I wasn't getting notifications for some reason but I'll checked manually daily instead.

 

[LevButlerov]

I wasn't getting notifications for some reason but I'll checked manually daily instead.

good to hear forums are an amazing place for you @SaintSoup we have thousands of dedicated NZ guys coming and reading, and suppliers like yourself can get a lot of eye balls when approved.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

I wasn't getting notifications for some reason but I'll checked manually daily instead.

Good plan - I have some problems with notifications too sometimes but logging in every day solves most of them

 

[SaintSoup]

Good plan - I have some problems with notifications too sometimes but logging in every day solves most of them

Yeah as soon as I logged in, i'm getting messages again. We are going to sponsor @trentwin1 with some MK677 and Cialis, being sent tmrw.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Yeah as soon as I logged in, i'm getting messages again. We are going to sponsor @trentwin1 with some MK677 and Cialis, being sent tmrw.

Fantastic news! @trentwin1 is a cool guy and the logging should work out great for you both

Just wanted to mention I got your gear lab tested and it was all good, all three sources I got tested passed, which makes me feel good as it's pretty important for sustainable testosterone threpy!

Testosterone Enanthate was detected and the only compund found, no heavy metals or contaminates

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah as soon as I logged in, i'm getting messages again. We are going to sponsor @trentwin1 with some MK677 and Cialis, being sent tmrw.

Good this is going to grow your base, with VIP @vanlife_gymbum and your other logger, you can be VIP approved soon @SaintSoup

 

[Silentwarx]

Would something like Reta be usable for a short cut phase, say 12-16 weeks, prior to jumping on a new cycle?

Everything online seems to talk about Reta just being used continuously with increasing dosages every four weeks but nothing about cycling or short term usage?

Just running a bit softer than I would like at the moment, and know a second cycle would be better if I started leaner

 

[LevButlerov]

Would something like Reta be usable for a short cut phase, say 12-16 weeks, prior to jumping on a new cycle?

Everything online seems to talk about Reta just being used continuously with increasing dosages every four weeks but nothing about cycling or short term usage?

Just running a bit softer than I would like at the moment, and know a second cycle would be better if I started leaner

For sure, retatrutide can be used short term for a 12-16 week cut before another cycle. Even though the long studies focus on continuous use, it still works effectively in short phases since appetite and fat oxidation effects appear fast, usually within 2-4 weeks.

You can run it low and steady, 0.5-1 mg per week to start and pyramid only if you still get hunger issues.
The benefit of a shorter cut is good hunger control (no food noise), improved insulin sensitivity, lower inflammation, and better lipid balance heading into the next cycle.
I saw your last bloods @Silentwarx , so I'm thinking you mean this is a reta only cut right with some peptides not a full cycle?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/silentwarx-my-pct-log.106524/post-1862090

Hormone panel came back this morning

we have good megathreads on reta here
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/retatrutide-its-the-real-deal.103339/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/retatrutide-dosing-micorodose-vs-1x-per-week.107138/

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz

 

[Allupfromhere]

For sure, retatrutide can be used short term for a 12-16 week cut before another cycle. Even though the long studies focus on continuous use, it still works effectively in short phases since appetite and fat oxidation effects appear fast, usually within 2-4 weeks.

You can run it low and steady, 0.5-1 mg per week to start and pyramid only if you still get hunger issues.
The benefit of a shorter cut is good hunger control (no food noise), improved insulin sensitivity, lower inflammation, and better lipid balance heading into the next cycle.
I saw your last bloods @Silentwarx , so I'm thinking you mean this is a reta only cut right with some peptides not a full cycle?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/silentwarx-my-pct-log.106524/post-1862090


we have good megathreads on reta here
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/retatrutide-its-the-real-deal.103339/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/retatrutide-dosing-micorodose-vs-1x-per-week.107138/

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz

@LevButlerov is right on the money here as always, i swear he is a scientist outside of evo lol.

You will still get hunger suppression from reta very early so def can be used in a short term cut but 12-16 weeks isnt really a short term cut bro thats up to 4 months lol just let it rip

 

[HarleyGuy]

For sure, retatrutide can be used short term for a 12-16 week cut before another cycle. Even though the long studies focus on continuous use, it still works effectively in short phases since appetite and fat oxidation effects appear fast, usually within 2-4 weeks.

You can run it low and steady, 0.5-1 mg per week to start and pyramid only if you still get hunger issues.
The benefit of a shorter cut is good hunger control (no food noise), improved insulin sensitivity, lower inflammation, and better lipid balance heading into the next cycle.
I saw your last bloods @Silentwarx , so I'm thinking you mean this is a reta only cut right with some peptides not a full cycle?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/silentwarx-my-pct-log.106524/post-1862090


we have good megathreads on reta here
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/retatrutide-its-the-real-deal.103339/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/retatrutide-dosing-micorodose-vs-1x-per-week.107138/

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz

Exactly as Lev said @Silentwarx and if you're new to peptides we have a megathread on how to reconstitute them too:

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/how-to-mix-peptides.107113/

 

[Silentwarx]

For sure, retatrutide can be used short term for a 12-16 week cut before another cycle. Even though the long studies focus on continuous use, it still works effectively in short phases since appetite and fat oxidation effects appear fast, usually within 2-4 weeks.

You can run it low and steady, 0.5-1 mg per week to start and pyramid only if you still get hunger issues.
The benefit of a shorter cut is good hunger control (no food noise), improved insulin sensitivity, lower inflammation, and better lipid balance heading into the next cycle.
I saw your last bloods @Silentwarx , so I'm thinking you mean this is a reta only cut right with some peptides not a full cycle?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/silentwarx-my-pct-log.106524/post-1862090


we have good megathreads on reta here
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/retatrutide-its-the-real-deal.103339/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/retatrutide-dosing-micorodose-vs-1x-per-week.107138/

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz

Yeah bro it would be Reta only between now (or after 6 week bloods) and next cycle. To be fair, I probably just need to be a bit more disciplined and just cut some cals but just tossing up ideas.

I wasn’t as lean as I should have been before last cycle, but really enjoyed the volume I was able to produce and strength gains when I was on cycle, so want to make a better base for round two

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah bro it would be Reta only between now (or after 6 week bloods) and next cycle. To be fair, I probably just need to be a bit more disciplined and just cut some cals but just tossing up ideas.

I wasn’t as lean as I should have been before last cycle, but really enjoyed the volume I was able to produce and strength gains when I was on cycle, so want to make a better base for round two

reta only works, lets do it

 

[GymEnjoyer]

Hey man after talking with one of the guys on here im hoping to jump on the reta train myself, but I see that the 2 approved nz suppliers dont carry it. Are you still able to get it?

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hey man after talking with one of the guys on here im hoping to jump on the reta train myself, but I see that the 2 approved nz suppliers dont carry it. Are you still able to get it?

I replied to this in your log bro, best to post all this in your log instead of an old thread
See here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/cycle-training-nutrition-log.108937/#post-1960952

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey man after talking with one of the guys on here im hoping to jump on the reta train myself, but I see that the 2 approved nz suppliers dont carry it. Are you still able to get it?

the supplier @Life-Forge was suspended for not following rules, did you check with @AuStarLabs ? @GymEnjoyer

 

[GymEnjoyer]

the supplier @Life-Forge was suspended for not following rules, did you check with @AuStarLabs ? @GymEnjoyer

Yeah i've checked both Austarlabs and kiwibulk and neither have it listed, I also asked rob at Austar about some other stuff previously and he said only whats listed for now while they build up supply so it could be a wee while untill they offer it.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah i've checked both Austarlabs and kiwibulk and neither have it listed, I also asked rob at Austar about some other stuff previously and he said only whats listed for now while they build up supply so it could be a wee while untill they offer it.

talk to him directly @AuStarLabs might have it

 

[GymEnjoyer]

talk to him directly @AuStarLabs might have it

Have sent him a direct message will see what he says! Fingers crossed

 

[LevButlerov]

Have sent him a direct message will see what he says! Fingers crossed

You should use his official contact info as well @GymEnjoyer
post in the @AuStarLabs thread
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/austarlabs-introduction-touchdowns-feedback.107449/