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Introduction
Welcome Evolutionary.org Hardcore 2.0 #167- 25 week cycle ideas with Ultima Pharma. In this episode, the guys go over the risks and benefits of 25 week cycles, strategies for 25 week cycles, specific 25 week cycle ideas and dosing, and Ultima pros.
Risks of 25 week cycles
Steve starts this by warning about the recovery issues from using a 25-week cycle. He explains how the HPTA works and says you cannot trick your body while on exogenous hormones into producing its hormones. What happens is the longer you stay on, the more your pituitary glands get damaged and forget how to turn on. He has seen people run 1 long cycle and have a very hard time recovering their hormones after. In all his years, he has seen zero evidence that people who stay on steroids for a year or more ever fully recover, even though some have claimed they have. He has seen every single person who has attempted it with blood work fail. So the longer you stay on, the more likely it is that you will end up damaging your HPTA potentially permanently.
Mobster explains the evolutionary reasons why you aren't going to be able to fix millions of years of evolution by trying to outsmart it. You can try all the HCG, HMG, CLomid, Nolvadex, etc you want, but once you fry your HPTA you aren't likely to ever recover it. It is like a lawnmower engine that burns out and then it becomes more expensive to fix than just buying a new one.
Steve and Mobster also discuss the risks to your brain, heart, kidney, skin, and prostate which are big problems. We are seeing a lot of bodybuilders who end up needing dialysis when they get older for a reason, or they end up with liver disease, or with brain issues. Also, the cancer risk is an issue as well. The more you abuse gear the more you don't come off the risk it is.
Steve says that once you pass the 12 or 14-week cycles you are in the red zone of risks of recovery where it gets harder and harder. So if you are concerned about recovery stick to that length.
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Benefits of 25 week cycles
Steve says that if you are a competitor whether it's bodybuilding or powerlifting you might want to run a cycle like this because it is chemical warfare. You are competing against other people who might be on steroids for 1-2 years straight or longer. So to even come close to being able to compete against them it's going to be necessary to run a longer cycle like this just to keep up. Their livelihoods are at risk and they need to run steroids for as long as possible to keep up.
Mobster says he once competed 4x in 1 year which was an insane thing and he will never do it again. But in his case, he went a full 16 weeks which was very long, then did shorter 8-10 week cycles throughout the year while he was trying to peak at the right time for his competitions. The guys he was going up against were likely running steroids for years straight with no time off.
They say if you were to manage to win one of these competitions it means more endorsements, more hits on your TikTok and Instagram, and more money in your pocket. Every bodybuilder wants to be able to quit their day job and just stick to bodybuilding as a career and this allows them to so there is a risk/reward they are willing to take and can pay off for you.
Different strategies for 25 week cycles
Mobster touches on different strategies that you can do which include splitting the 25 weeks into smaller 'cycles'. One of those ideas is splitting it up into 3 mini-cycles that are 7-8 weeks each. Another idea is you can do 8 weeks of one harsh steroid, then go the rest of the way with a mild steroid that won't trash your lipids as much. Or you can start with 15 weeks of a mild steroid then switch to something more harsh towards the end.
There is also the the idea of manipulating the steroids ahead of a competition. One idea is running longer esters to start, then finishing up with shorter esters that give you more flexibility.
Specific 25-week ideas with dosages from Ultima
Ultima has excellent options when it comes to different esters that include orals and injectables.
You can start the cycle with Equipoise, Testosterone, and/or Primo for 15-17 weeks. Then Finish out with Masteron, Winstrol, and some Tren ace the last 8-10 weeks.
Another example would be just using steroids the whole way. You can stick to longer ester options like Sustanon, Deca, and Tren E. While also adding in some cutting orals like Winstrol or a cutting injectable like Masteron Prop at the end just to dry out and recover. Proviron is also an excellent option you can use throughout since it isn't liver-toxic.
Mobster then talks about what he would do for bulking or powerlifting. He would do 500mgs of Testosterone the whole way, or you can start 300mgs and then jack up the dose as you go on the cycle. He would add some Halo, superdrol, Anadrol, or dbol here and there for short spurts since they are orals.
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Ultima pros
Ultima has been growing as a popular brand over the past 5 years and a lot of IFBB pros use their products. They also have a lot of popular users who are just your average gym rat. Their prices are outstanding and they have fast shipping and products that are dosed correctly.
Where to buy?
Ultima can be purchased from Osgear.se.
Osgear.se is an approved source that has been around for 15 years providing customers with outstanding oral steroids, injectable steroids, ancillaries, PCT products, and more. When you purchase from them you know you are getting authentic Ultima brand and not fakes.
They provide lightning-quick domestic shipping to American customers, with no need to worry about customs and no need to stress about how long it takes. They ship typically within a few days and you get your package lightning fast. They also offer international shipping as well to many other countries.
They have reps on the forums to further assist with setting up cycles and answer questions you may have. If there is ever an issue they are on call to help with your order and make sure you are taken care of.
Forums
Forums on our forums? read on:
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last couple steroid cycles I have ran haven’t gone well. Not because I haven’t gotten stronger and more big but because I have gotten very fluffy and bloated. I’ve run test Read More........
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References
- Impact of anabolic androgenic steroids on male sexual and reproductive function: a systematic review
- Anabolic-androgenic steroids: How do they work and what are the risks?
- Doping and sports endocrinology: anabolic-androgenic steroids
- Mortality Among Users of Anabolic Steroids
- Current use and abuse of anabolic steroids
