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What size filter was it? I didn't have any issue with the filter, I used the .2 filter and didn't let the Batch cool.. I believe I used the same exact filter as you also. I used a brake bleeder to pull the solution and after maybe 3 minutes of filtering it began to bubble up and crack the plastic, it looked like when you put warm water on a ice cube and cracks. Just a thought but you said your solution filtered quickly cause you used a vacuum pump maybe it wasn't the water that caused it to get like that, maybe it was the residue left from the solution since you filtered it quickly. Just a idea. I'd hate to see you try again and have to get rid of a batch. As far as saving what you have would prob toss it there maybe some stuff that can't be filtered, that's just my thoughts behind it though .
 
Ya I am using a hand vaccum pump. Gave it one pump and it started dribbling down. All seems fine. It did filter awfully fast tho. Which is i think the filter blew out. It was a 250ml .2 with a 50mm filter I believe. In would have to look I threw it out. Mine didn't crack or anything tho.

I believe if I refilter it that it will be OK.



KRAZIEONE
 
Stop it. Its been a trying day. Lol. Oh ya up to 80oz. Lol. And I was so pissed I have busted out 500 compound crunches. Son thanks DD for the motivation. Lol.

KRAZIEONE
 
That's a trip how that happened... Let me know how that millpore works for you..
I'm gonna order some of the zap caps next
 
I want this to be done and over as I'm sure everyone else does but I feel like I have to speak up I truly appreciate you looking out for the safety of others it's needed and it sometimes puts you in an uncomfortable position ie our current situation but this had gone beyond looking out for bros on here you said "some people are incapable of listening" but there was no opportunity for krazie to listen and learn at least I didn't see one and you did insult him by saying something along the lines of "I wouldent trust you to brew coffee" c'mon that's getting personal he is eager to find out the reason behind his bottletop "melting" and he's a stand up guy this gear isn't being distributed I agree that we all need to look out for each other and I think we all can agree on that but mh is definitely right if I was a new member and I came in here reading this I would catalog this forum right alongside all the other glorified dick showing forums out there please let this shit go no more getting the last word in there is nothing either one of you has to say about this that you haven't already said I would really appreciate it if this ended here and now


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I found out he was selling/trading this garbage, and wasn't going to ALLOW it to go on any longer as I didn't want guys in the hospital raising hell, and calling the DEA, or some shit like that. I'm a prior Weapons Company Commander. 99.987% of the time I was as laid back as it gets, as things were squared away most of the time. When one or more of my Marines did some completely stupid shit that could endanger everyone, you bet your ass I got knee deep in their shit!! This is no different. This isn't about protein shakes, or sets and reps! This is about injecting a compound deep into muscle tissue!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sure I said he shouldn't be brewing coffee, and I stand by that as we speak. I've never in my years heard of even a green horn brewer trying to wash out a single use complete filter unit for re-use. If that doesn't speak volumes, I wouldn't know what does... On top of that, sell/trade it to others, and have people back him up when he's called out for it? Interesting...
I'm a VIP here, and am not always going to be the popular one as I tell it like it is, and yes, some people ARE incapable of listening. How can I say that? Lol! Go to any gym. Guarantee you 95% in there have been told what to do A-Z, yet they'll look the same or worse year after year. I would consider that a listening problem, wouldn't you? At the Arnold Classic expo, as well as Olympia, I've meet the same people for years who look the same, yet want to ask me again just one more time, what to eat, and train like...
 
Bro. Get over it. Nobody is listening to you.

KRAZIEONE

It's kinda funny. One of my Marines was close to a general discharge, and we took care of kicking his ass into listening. After Fallujah in 04, he did things that surprised me. He and another will be here this weekend to fish, and we'll laugh at how he was then vs now, and I'll be proud to have been a part of his successes in life. You could wind up doing damned well at compounding injectable gear, but for now, you have zero business doing it. Not to mention trying to pawn it off on others... I'm going to be the "bad guy" for calling you onto the deck, but so be it. Until you know what you're doing, you'd do best sticking with already brewed coffee. I know your ego can't take criticism, but hopefully you'll learn how to hang the ego on a peg and learn from those who've been there long before you have...
 
I will take criticism from someone who has the ability to show more respect than you could ever muster. I have a lot of military buddies and none of them NONE would ever dream speak to me the way you have. Helped them learn how to do things again and cope. I think you should be ashamed of yourself. Just the fact that no one backed you is proof enough that you have no power here and are not respected. This will be the last response by me towards you until you show me apology I deserve. You are no mentor and I feel sorry for anyone you try to take under your wing. I have no ego. I defended myself from a little punk ass bitch on a power trip. Grow up dude. Mh Bob. I apologize for even answering this fool. And to everyone else I apologize.

KRAZIEONE
 
I will take criticism from someone who has the ability to show more respect than you could ever muster. I have a lot of military buddies and none of them NONE would ever dream speak to me the way you have. Helped them learn how to do things again and cope. I think you should be ashamed of yourself. Just the fact that no one backed you is proof enough that you have no power here and are not respected. This will be the last response by me towards you until you show me apology I deserve. You are no mentor and I feel sorry for anyone you try to take under your wing. I have no ego. I defended myself from a little punk ass bitch on a power trip. Grow up dude. Mh Bob. I apologize for even answering this fool. And to everyone else I apologize.

KRAZIEONE

Funny you say that. My better Marines were the ones who looked for shortcuts, got their assholes stapled to their heads, and became the top 1% of the US Marines who clank when they walk (from medals.) These guys usually enlisted thinking they knew everything. That's not a problem, as it's easier to "tune one in" like that vs one with no motivation.
You're really no different than one of those guys who threw his ego out there, and left common sense behind. I did well training those types, as I was once one, and know one when I meet one... I looked for shortcuts too. The problem with shortcuts are they're normally a mess... Before you compounded the stuff you traded/sold, you melted the filter membrane in "2 seconds," but worse, tried to wash out a complete filter unit's plastic receiver for re-use. That's unprecedented among the boards where I read what's going on. I originally laughed until finding out you were peddling this garbage to others. I want a nice clean thread where common sense types who do their home work, can talk. If you f*ck up, no problem. JUST DON'T SELL/TRADE COMPROMISED GEAR TO OTHERS! Cristo!

You really don't know what you're doing at the moment, but you seem like a determined shit bag LOL, and if you APPLY yourself vs going for that quick fix "magic" bullet, you could do well. Like I said, my better Marines were the ones who were the hardest to initially deal with... I'd damned near give you the knowledge I've picked up along the way, but you won't call me asshole when I get on you for something stupid, lazy, or the combination... When it comes to a final product that's to be injected deep into muscle tissue, I'm not one to f*ck around, and am meticulous. I should have posted what I do when making injectables, but that would have been a massive post, and would have fallen on deaf (LAZY!) ears I'm afraid..
 
I'm going to say it one more time because you are just not getting it. I havnt peddled any of it. In fact I told everyone hold off cause I'm having a problem. Got it? For fucks sake.

KRAZIEONE
 
And I rinsed it out. I didn't say I was going to use it again. You ever think maybe because it was laced with illegal product I didn't want that in my trash with that in it.

Idk I'm done this is going beyond normal. I do research all the time and usually make perfect gear. One mishap and I'm a fucking retard. OK fine. So be it I'm a retard. However peeps here still want the shit. So when it's good to go. And I have tested on myself to make sure its good. And safe then I'll send it out or maybe I'll just toss it and make all new shit. Either way if you have some knowledge pass I'm all ears. I am always learning if you are going to continue to bust my balls to try to get your to grow them I'm not listening. CRISTO?!

KRAZIEONE
 
And I rinsed it out. I didn't say I was going to use it again. You ever think maybe because it was laced with illegal product I didn't want that in my trash with that in it.

Idk I'm done this is going beyond normal. I do research all the time and usually make perfect gear. One mishap and I'm a fucking retard. OK fine. So be it I'm a retard. However peeps here still want the shit. So when it's good to go. And I have tested on myself to make sure its good. And safe then I'll send it out or maybe I'll just toss it and make all new shit. Either way if you have some knowledge pass I'm all ears. I am always learning if you are going to continue to bust my balls to try to get your to grow them I'm not listening. CRISTO?!

KRAZIEONE

I'm Italian. Cristo means "Christ."

I offered to help. Why? I don't know. One of my Marines was as fucked up (then) as you are now when it comes to listening to others who've long been there and done that. He's now a Gunnery Sergeant, has a great Wife, and three kids. He finally listened to some "dumb ass" like me, and survived hell on Earth... Yes, he'll hit me up for gear advice when here this weekend, and struggle with my advice on adding weight each training session... Happens every time. Lol! When it comes to hoisting iron, egos are what they are. When it comes to compounding an injectable meant for deep intramuscular injections, all egos need to be left at the door...
 
I asked you for advice and help originally DD and u did was insult me and slander me when I hadnt shipped a thing.

I know what it means. I'm Italian also.

If you would have said bro I got you we are going to fix this I would have been gracious and humble. When u attack my character for no valid reason then I'm going to shut down and go into asshole mode. Who wouldn't.

KRAZIEONE
 
Guys want to read on how brewing goes and learn things to become better knowledgeable on this topic.
I now read about the Marines, How one guy is a mo-foer, and whatever else.
We need a Ima faqq ur chit up lounge.

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I asked you for advice and help originally DD and u did was insult me and slander me when I hadnt shipped a thing.

I know what it means. I'm Italian also.

If you would have said bro I got you we are going to fix this I would have been gracious and humble. When u attack my character for no valid reason then I'm going to shut down and go into asshole mode. Who wouldn't.

KRAZIEONE

LOL! I didn't slander you nor insult you. After you filtered 100ml+ gear in 2 seconds, then literally washed out a one time use complete filter unit receiver, I had to pause as I laughed loudly. The reason I laughed was because I KNEW you didn't put in the time, and homework getting this right. Now when I found out you were peddling this mess to innocent guys, I stepped in as I don't want heat brought here via a "dealer" who sells contaminated shit. I've already agreed to help you figure this out via my experiences with it.
 
OK maybe it wasn't two second. I was just saying it flew into the receiver fast. Just like the video on you tube. I barely pumped the hand pump one time. Yes you are right have never used a bottle top procedure. Yes I rinsed it out so what. That doesn't mean I was peddling anything. I had already made those transactions before I brewed this. And once I knew there was a problem I alerted everyone. I did the right things. Now. You wanna be worth while and help me make this shit isn't garbage that needs to be thrown out or u wanna keep on. Pick one. I would rather fix this stuff so it can be used. Up to you man. I'm done arguing about it.

KRAZIEONE
 
Come one nor fellas! It's settled! Let's keep this forum about learning and helping!

Deal?
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I just started a new thread titled "let's talk about this over some fresh brewed coffee" hopefully we can quit gumming up the works over here in the lounge and take your rants over there


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Things ive learned in this lounge....

Dont shop at Harbor Freight.
Dont buy gear from Kraz
DD was in the Marines
Kraz has a hot mama
DD likes to write long ass replies.
Kraz doesnt know chit
DD is Vip

Ok im just messing w u guys. Come on just let the chit go.


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I just started a new thread titled "let's talk about this over some fresh brewed coffee" hopefully we can quit gumming up the works over here in the lounge and take your rants over there


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haaaaaa. Is Kraz brewing it??

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Yes I'm in for that. I'm here to learn and help others. That's all I have ever been here for. Sometimes the tren gets in the way. Ya know cause I'm KRAZIE. Lol.

KRAZIEONE
 
Things ive learned in this lounge....

Dont shop at Harbor Freight.
Dont buy gear from Kraz
DD was in the Marines
Kraz has a hot mama
DD likes to write long ass replies.
Kraz doesnt know chit
DD is Vip

Ok im just messing w u guys. Come on just let the chit go.


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Lol u got that right. I do have a hot mama. Lol.

KRAZIEONE
 
Havnt ever sterilized one. Never used one. And one time use ones u don't. Lol. Idk I fucking didn't think about it. I just rinsed it out. I really don't know y. I'm glad I did because then it got me thinking. And made me realize I may have done something wrong as I have never used this bottle top thing before. Now I understand it and won't repeat the error. Let it cool then filter with light pressure as to not damage the receiver or filter and allow it to do its job

KRAZIEONE
 
I have always used syringe filters but got tired of how hard it is. Tried something new. Fucked it up. But now I got it. Lesson learned.

KRAZIEONE
 
OK maybe it wasn't two second. I was just saying it flew into the receiver fast. Just like the video on you tube. I barely pumped the hand pump one time. Yes you are right have never used a bottle top procedure. Yes I rinsed it out so what. That doesn't mean I was peddling anything. I had already made those transactions before I brewed this. And once I knew there was a problem I alerted everyone. I did the right things. Now. You wanna be worth while and help me make this shit isn't garbage that needs to be thrown out or u wanna keep on. Pick one. I would rather fix this stuff so it can be used. Up to you man. I'm done arguing about it.

KRAZIEONE

Bro... The clip on youtube shows a guy filtering colored water. That should be fast considering the viscosity. Even the EO that you used should have been considerably slower than 2 seconds... As for your filtering, you do need a pressure gauge. 11-15psi is right for what I do.
 
Well when the eo is that heated its pretty fluid. I would say it took approx 5 secs to run thru. Obviously because it was so hot it ate the shit out of the filter.

I'm wondering though should I just refilter it cold. Or reheat it then cool and refilter.



KRAZIEONE
 
Bro... The clip on youtube shows a guy filtering colored water. That should be fast considering the viscosity. Even the EO that you used should have been considerably slower than 2 seconds... As for your filtering, you do need a pressure gauge. 11-15psi is right for what I do.

You crank it that high?!? Glass or plastic recover? I'm afraid to go over 7 or 5 depending on reciver. May just be extra careful here


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Havnt ever sterilized one. Never used one. And one time use ones u don't. Lol. Idk I fucking didn't think about it. I just rinsed it out. I really don't know y. I'm glad I did because then it got me thinking. And made me realize I may have done something wrong as I have never used this bottle top thing before. Now I understand it and won't repeat the error. Let it cool then filter with light pressure as to not damage the receiver or filter and allow it to do its job

KRAZIEONE

Besides the fact that you actually mailed out some of this mess (unreal!), I literally rolled when I read where you washed out the receiver of a one time use complete filter unit! Damn, that one tore me to pieces! My thoughts were literally, "this has to be a joke." Sorry. Anyhow, yes, let it cool under a vented hood before filtering.
 
Yes DD I got it man. I got it. And the guy has been told do not use it and send it back to me. I would never let anyone use it. Cmon.

KRAZIEONE
 
You crank it that high?!? Glass or plastic recover? I'm afraid to go over 7 or 5 depending on reciver. May just be extra careful here


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Yes, and I have no issues at that psi. If I did, I would have backed it down long ago.
 
And here is my other concern. You don't think because the solution was so hot that it maybe destabilized the plastic receiver and pulled some of the chemical make up of the plastic into the solution? Because the receiver was fine when drawing the liquid out. It only went haywire when I rinsed it (yes I know why the fuck would I rinse it) laugh laugh laugh. Ha ha ha yada yada got it.

KRAZIEONE
 
Change of topic, kind of.

Question about baking as a means of sterilization. I know this has been asked before on other boards, but I'd like to get the opinions of everyone here.

I've always baked my brews at about 230F for 15 minutes and this doesn't seem to affect the potency at all. I've heard this reduces the amount of BA in the product, however.

What are your opinions on baking it? Do you think it's unnecessary? Do you think it's harmful? Let me know.
 
Yes DD I got it man. I got it. And the guy has been told do not use it and send it back to me. I would never let anyone use it. Cmon.

KRAZIEONE

Sorry. Every now and then, something will hit me funny, and my original thoughts about this having to be a joke, still makes me roll!! Lol! I guess, at least you tried to get it done with less homework, washing out a plastic one time use filter receiver for use later... Honorable mention - mailing a pack of it out = well, not smart, but alrighty then...
 
Yes dear. I had mailed it as I was heading out of town for the weekend. But then while driving I started thinking mmmm maybe I should say something and get some advice. Then immediately messaged the guy saying do not use it. Before u ever even laid into me.

KRAZIEONE
 
Glad almost everyone has moved on cause I'm def in need of some knowledge on home brewing... Anyone else gots some f*ups they can throw out there so I don't make the same mistake lol
 
Change of topic, kind of.

Question about baking as a means of sterilization. I know this has been asked before on other boards, but I'd like to get the opinions of everyone here.

I've always baked my brews at about 230F for 15 minutes and this doesn't seem to affect the potency at all. I've heard this reduces the amount of BA in the product, however.

What are your opinions on baking it? Do you think it's unnecessary? Do you think it's harmful? Let me know.

Baking is fuckibg stupid.
You ruin your hormone and should be sterile anywAy.
We covered this 50 pages ago. Some boards do. Why bother it comes out just fine the way it is.


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Glad almost everyone has moved on cause I'm def in need of some knowledge on home brewing... Anyone else gots some f*ups they can throw out there so I don't make the same mistake lol

When a mistake is made (and they will*), post it so others can benefit. Mailing a mistake to another bro isn't cool as evidenced herein...

*Mistakes happen. Washing out a one time use (duh!), plastic receiver hoping to use it again, isn't a mistake. That's called a dumb ass attack. We've all had them, but the point is keeping them to a bare minimum.:D
 
Baking is fuckibg stupid.
You ruin your hormone and should be sterile anywAy.
We covered this 50 pages ago. Some boards do. Why bother it comes out just fine the way it is.


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Yeah, baking is on the dumb end of compounding.
 
You seem like a very intelligent man dd with lots of Experience In brewing, I'm here to listen and learn from people like yourself and krazie... I've read this whole thread from page 1 to now and you guys seem to be the most active along with a few others... How bout we keep it going in the same direction as the first 52 pages and keep dropping knowledge on us newbs
 
Baking is fuckibg stupid.
You ruin your hormone

I found the baking part of this thread, but no one mentioned whether it affects the hormone. I'm fine with sterilizing it other ways, mind you.

edit: Okay, admittedly this is because when I was new to brewing six months ago I baked my gear because that was before I knew about filtration tops. LOL. I think I baked it at 230F or around there for about half an hour. I got bloodwork done and it was good, though, so if baking would degrade the potency I'm wondering by how much.
 
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Its not that it degrades the potency so much as it will tend to evap the ba. Also I have heard its bad for the rubber stopper of the bottle when baked in an oven.

I have always just heated solution, then obviously before I used a syringe filter straight into a sealed vial.

No need to bake.

KRAZIEONE
 
Couldn't say it better myself


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Is amazing how many think throwing some vials (with pins venting them), in the oven is a smart thing, then filtering them. When you encounter that kind of advice, run like hell. Lol! The most recent "event" here rivals that, however. This is a good thread to learn with, and also a good thread that outlines (if you read between the lines), what not to do...
 
DD can we get a break down of your process. I'd like to learn how to better my process and learn as much as I can.

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Is amazing how many think throwing some vials (with pins venting them), in the oven is a smart thing, then filtering them. When you encounter that kind of advice, run like hell. Lol! The most recent "event" here rivals that, however. This is a good thread to learn with, and also a good thread that outlines (if you read between the lines), what not to do...

I believe "baking" gear has been put to sleep for quite some time now but you are right I'm happy we have a place that guys can come and post questions and there is a wide knowledge base that is here to help them


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Ya. I'll close my ears. And shut my eyes. Cause he doesn't want me to know. Lol. Carry on.

KRAZIEONE

I'll pay attention and if there is something that I can take away from it I'd be foolish not to hopefully this can catapult this thread back on the right track


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OK so for those that care I'm going to be refiltering in a little while. Reheated solution and waiting for it to cool. I'll let you guys know how it goes

KRAZIEONE
 
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