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so does hammer or anyone else have a pic of recent labmax on the var situation? not sure about anyone else but im kind of sketched to order now.
 
I have a small order on the way, will post a lab max when it gets here. It will be on the test c and dbol, not the var. I have a good feeling about the guy, not my first rodeo with this stuff. He handles things pretty well.
 
Yeah heard nothing but good besides the var situation, but that was on a different forum. Maybe he's just got haters over there.
 
GBPACK26 said:
I have a small order on the way, will post a lab max when it gets here. It will be on the test c and dbol, not the var. I have a good feeling about the guy, not my first rodeo with this stuff. He handles things pretty well.
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I labmaxed the TestC and am currently running it. It was a pass and I feel great on it. I am scheduled for blood work next friday.

Anyone running Hammers trenA???
 
i just started the tren A about 5 days ago..... sweating like a son of a bitch as we speak.. hitting pretty hard.... just finished up 4 weeks of the anadrol..... sweet jesus it was nice ran 50mg a day.
 
Pack showed up tday boys, ordered late Monday night. Turn around and communication were outstanding, will definitely be a return customer. I will post lab max in a few days, waiting on uv light to show up lol. Thanks hammer.
 
Mvannatta said:
i just started the tren A about 5 days ago..... sweating like a son of a bitch as we speak.. hitting pretty hard.... just finished up 4 weeks of the anadrol..... sweet jesus it was nice ran 50mg a day.
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How long you had the trenA? Just wondering if its the same batch Ive been running for almost 7 weeks. Please update us on the tren in 2 weeks. I'm not saying the tren is bad, I felt amazing on it my first 2 weeks and then I had to more then double my dose and I have 0 sides. I know we all handle things differently but I am on 800 mg wk or 2ml EOD and I feel nothing. I'm just looking for more feed back on the trenA.
 
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Mvannatta said:
800 a week is insane
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I know you would think so. I lab Maxed it and it was a pass. I started out at .75 EOD and after I stopped feeling it around day 14 I slowly upped my dose until I got to 800. Im not gonna go up from there. I've been on this dose over 2 weeks and feel nothing.
 
OdieM said:
I know you would think so. I lab Maxed it and it was a pass. I started out at .75 EOD and after I stopped feeling it around day 14 I slowly upped my dose until I got to 800. Im not gonna go up from there. I've been on this dose over 2 weeks and feel nothing.
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How is your strength? Any difference in libido?

I have experience with tren and I personally couldn't tolerate 800 mg/wk. I ran 700 once and had to lower it.


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jackmeoff said:
How is your strength? Any difference in libido?

I have experience with tren and I personally couldn't tolerate 800 mg/wk. I ran 700 once and had to lower it.


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Truthfully strength is up and dick is up. Lol. I don't know if it's the tren or the test though. I felt the tren between days 6-14. I thought ohhhhh shittttt here we go and then it disappeared. I have no clue. I have shared this on a private board that I am on and other members told me that's happened to them before and when they switched to another UGL that it was like night and day. So I placed an order for some more through another UGL to compare. Who knows it might be the way I handle tren but I seriously doubt it. I like Hammer and I belive his test is good. I just don't know about the tren. That's why I here asking Members to tell me their experience on his tren.
 
Ordered from Hammer yesterday, nolvadex and Cialis. if his products are as good as his communication and helpfulness all should be g2g. Will keep posted....
 
Thanks hammer I received my pack today, all safe secure and quick t/a. Obviously I haven't touched it yet, and since ill be starting pct soon it will be awhile but everything looks exactly the same way it should, honestly I cant wait to give it a shot, when I do ill post labs. Thanks man for everything!
 
richiquick79 said:
Thanks hammer I received my pack today, all safe secure and quick t/a. Obviously I haven't touched it yet, and since ill be starting pct soon it will be awhile but everything looks exactly the same way it should, honestly I cant wait to give it a shot, when I do ill post labs. Thanks man for everything!
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Thank you for the feedback brother. Looking forward to those bloods!
 
well i finished up a 50mg cycle of anadrol. 3rd time using anadrol first time using hammer. by day five it kicked in. had amazing pumps in the gym,veins became more pronounced.. week two lower back pain lol handled that. it was good i really liked it got what i wanted out of it .. put on 17 lbs bulked up nicely. during that i have been running this sustanon.. running 500mgs a week.sex drive is def. up seems to be doing what it is supposed to do. so far im happy. we will see how this all pans out..... bloods next week.
 
Mvannatta said:
well i finished up a 50mg cycle of anadrol. 3rd time using anadrol first time using hammer. by day five it kicked in. had amazing pumps in the gym,veins became more pronounced.. week two lower back pain lol handled that. it was good i really liked it got what i wanted out of it .. put on 17 lbs bulked up nicely. during that i have been running this sustanon.. running 500mgs a week.sex drive is def. up seems to be doing what it is supposed to do. so far im happy. we will see how this all pans out..... bloods next week.
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17 pounds....nice!!! Thank you for the honest feedback brother.
 
Did talk to another friend who is using test p and tren a. His night sweats are definitely there and his vascularity as he told is very good. His strength increases are up as well. Soon he will be running bloods.
 
On my 4th shot of sust and goes smoothly thru a 25g and tbol 30mg a day and my sex drive has gone thru the roof. Gained 10lbs already and strength has increased dramatically My girlfriend can't keep up without red bull lol again thanks hammer ! Will be placing another order real soon
 
pcgken said:
Did talk to another friend who is using test p and tren a. His night sweats are definitely there and his vascularity as he told is very good. His strength increases are up as well. Soon he will be running bloods.
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Thank you for the feedback on our tren brother. Lots of guys out there living the tren!!!
 
audivwlove1978 said:
On my 4th shot of sust and goes smoothly thru a 25g and tbol 30mg a day and my sex drive has gone thru the roof. Gained 10lbs already and strength has increased dramatically My girlfriend can't keep up without red bull lol again thanks hammer ! Will be placing another order real soon
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Fucking A brother! Thank you for the quality feedback man.
 
I have read all, well i think all of Hammer's reviews, just wondering if anyone has tried the Cialis from him? My RN girlfriend has done let some of her paranoia rub off on me lol....
 
I received a pack from hammer the other day, which I had planned on saving as I have less then a month left on my cycle and I have been running another sources gear, well sources lol, which I know are gtg. I like hammer, he has been nothing but helpful to me so I'm gonna drop the other gear for now, since its only prop it will leave my blood fast and ill start his and get bloods for everyone in a few weeks. It wont take blood for me to know fast, I have almost no free test in my body due to cancer, which is gone but my family jewels are just for decorating the area now. It will be two days and ill know positively in either way, if its low doses or bunk ill be able to tell you in two or three days tops, sex drive, depression, strength will slam shut quick on me, I am also going to run his tren ace for a brief period to see what that is. I would not run it if I didn't believe he was telling the truth. I am not the type to get stuck on a source, and have never run his gear before, and I have no affiliation with him other then being a one time customer. I am not getting paid or free stuff, I am doing this for the board. I like it hear and would hate for any member or source to get hurt unjustified. This is our board, I am not a old member but I have found a home here and helpful people, for now lets give the man the benefit of the doubt, if you don't order that's cool but try not to trash to early. I have done my research before placing any order and have been treated great by the three sources I have chosen. Hammer said he is all for it, so I'm comfortable with it, because I have no problem saying it is bullshit if it is and I'm sure he knows that, if my test drops ill know in days and put that up and the bloods will be after, but I was running great test prop so even slightly underdosed gear will throw me off. So for now lets not bash anyone, no one has proved he has done wrong or contacted him, there has been nothing but great things said about him by the people who recommended I order, lets pause and see what happens.
 
richiquick79 said:
I received a pack from hammer the other day, which I had planned on saving as I have less then a month left on my cycle and I have been running another sources gear, well sources lol, which I know are gtg. I like hammer, he has been nothing but helpful to me so I'm gonna drop the other gear for now, since its only prop it will leave my blood fast and ill start his and get bloods for everyone in a few weeks. It wont take blood for me to know fast, I have almost no free test in my body due to cancer, which is gone but my family jewels are just for decorating the area now. It will be two days and ill know positively in either way, if its low doses or bunk ill be able to tell you in two or three days tops, sex drive, depression, strength will slam shut quick on me, I am also going to run his tren ace for a brief period to see what that is. I would not run it if I didn't believe he was telling the truth. I am not the type to get stuck on a source, and have never run his gear before, and I have no affiliation with him other then being a one time customer. I am not getting paid or free stuff, I am doing this for the board. I like it hear and would hate for any member or source to get hurt unjustified. This is our board, I am not a old member but I have found a home here and helpful people, for now lets give the man the benefit of the doubt, if you don't order that's cool but try not to trash to early. I have done my research before placing any order and have been treated great by the three sources I have chosen. Hammer said he is all for it, so I'm comfortable with it, because I have no problem saying it is bullshit if it is and I'm sure he knows that, if my test drops ill know in days and put that up and the bloods will be after, but I was running great test prop so even slightly underdosed gear will throw me off. So for now lets not bash anyone, no one has proved he has done wrong or contacted him, there has been nothing but great things said about him by the people who recommended I order, lets pause and see what happens.
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Hammer, all these newer members schilling for has become nauseating.
 
Let's not let the pendulum swing too far. There is nothing wrong with subjective reviews. If we start to call everyone who has anything good to say a "shill" we will effectively deter feedback.


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jackmeoff said:
Let's not let the pendulum swing too far. There is nothing wrong with subjective reviews. If we start to call everyone who has anything good to say a "shill" we will effectively deter feedback.


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I say one thing about an obvious shill post and you feel the pendulum is about to swing too far? Come on Jack, you know most of these recent posts in Hammers thread are BS.
 
The people that bought from hammer and dissatisfied with their product are the ones who should take it up with hammer. Everyone else is just doing the norm of all forums and just dick riding the negative feedback
 
jesus christ this is hilarious lol, I will be posting a labmax as soon as my black light arrives. I have seen zero proof here that hammers gear is not legit, just a bunch of people bitchin about nothing honestly. Let's relax until there is hard proof. As far as I know all we have for proof at this point is one mistake of var being winny, which has happened thousands of times with many reputable sources over the years and we all know that. Easy mistake lol. If my labmax comes back bad I stand corrected and will take it up with hammer, until then I don't know of any hard proof on any board.
 
GBPACK26 said:
jesus christ this is hilarious lol, I will be posting a labmax as soon as my black light arrives. I have seen zero proof here that hammers gear is not legit, just a bunch of people bitchin about nothing honestly. Let's relax until there is hard proof. As far as I know all we have for proof at this point is one mistake of var being winny, which has happened thousands of times with many reputable sources over the years and we all know that. Easy mistake lol. If my labmax comes back bad I stand corrected and will take it up with hammer, until then I don't know of any hard proof on any board.
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Well said.
 
insertnamehere said:
Hammer, all these newer members schilling for has become nauseating.
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I get that I'm new, you got me there, one thing is I have no clue what a shill is so I take no offense lol. I don't know you have no issue with you, all I want to is help, if its good we will know, same if its bad. I cant defend myself against being called a shill, I have no clue what that is. I get bloods anyway, and already have the gear, so if I can help why not? The biggest sacrifice on my side is switching to new gear, I love the gear I was on. I have other sources with legit stuff, so I don't need to be a kiss ass, and I'm not getting free stuff if that's what a shill is. I have no problem with you brother what so ever and wish you the best. I am open to criticism as long as its constructive, you have every right to say whatever you want brother if it something I don't like ill ignore it unless its something that I need to take into thought, I'm not perfect. I am very much in the learning process, I can barely navigate a forum to begin with, I am a book guy still. If you think I doing something wrong inbox me and if your right ill correct it, I will not bash you and I ask you the same, especially since I have no clue what your saying.
 
GBPACK26 said:
jesus christ this is hilarious lol, I will be posting a labmax as soon as my black light arrives. I have seen zero proof here that hammers gear is not legit, just a bunch of people bitchin about nothing honestly. Let's relax until there is hard proof. As far as I know all we have for proof at this point is one mistake of var being winny, which has happened thousands of times with many reputable sources over the years and we all know that. Easy mistake lol. If my labmax comes back bad I stand corrected and will take it up with hammer, until then I don't know of any hard proof on any board.
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See what I'm talking about, Jack? Pretty difficult to ignore posts like this as honest subjective feedback.

Let me get this straight, if possible:

GBPACK26, you don't know of any proof, even though you said there's proof. But you're willing to let that mistake go because it happens all the time, but if it happens to you, you'll stand corrected?
 
richiquick79 said:
I get that I'm new, you got me there, one thing is I have no clue what a shill is so I take no offense lol. I don't know you have no issue with you, all I want to is help, if its good we will know, same if its bad. I cant defend myself against being called a shill, I have no clue what that is. I get bloods anyway, and already have the gear, so if I can help why not? The biggest sacrifice on my side is switching to new gear, I love the gear I was on. I have other sources with legit stuff, so I don't need to be a kiss ass, and I'm not getting free stuff if that's what a shill is. I have no problem with you brother what so ever and wish you the best. I am open to criticism as long as its constructive, you have every right to say whatever you want brother if it something I don't like ill ignore it unless its something that I need to take into thought, I'm not perfect. I am very much in the learning process, I can barely navigate a forum to begin with, I am a book guy still. If you think I doing something wrong inbox me and if your right ill correct it, I will not bash you and I ask you the same, especially since I have no clue what your saying.
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If you would like your review to be taken seriously, on Hammer or anyone else for that matter, get blood work done. If you have questions about the proper protocols and methods, make a thread and you will be helped.
 
GBPACK26 said:
jesus christ this is hilarious lol, I will be posting a labmax as soon as my black light arrives. I have seen zero proof here that hammers gear is not legit, just a bunch of people bitchin about nothing honestly. Let's relax until there is hard proof. As far as I know all we have for proof at this point is one mistake of var being winny, which has happened thousands of times with many reputable sources over the years and we all know that. Easy mistake lol. If my labmax comes back bad I stand corrected and will take it up with hammer, until then I don't know of any hard proof on any board.
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I have similar thoughts mane.


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Var coming back as winny is a "mistake," not "proof" of illegitimate gear lol. You're a retard. And yes, I will stand corrected if my labmax comes back bad and I will post the results for all the members here to see. I don't know why you're getting upset man lol.
 
insertnamehere said:
I say one thing about an obvious shill post and you feel the pendulum is about to swing too far? Come on Jack, you know most of these recent posts in Hammers thread are BS.
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Well the comment was made (by me) that Hammers reviews lack quality report outs. I was actually referring to his review section. The copy and paste reviews by hammer were comments made in various posts of other forums. I perceive that as him just saying " well here is what you missed". I would have done the same.


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GBPACK26 said:
Var coming back as winny is a "mistake," not "proof" of illegitimate gear lol. You're a retard. And yes, I will stand corrected if my labmax comes back bad and I will post the results for all the members here to see. I don't know why you're getting upset man lol.
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What did you order brother?
 
GBPACK26 said:
Var coming back as winny is a "mistake," not "proof" of illegitimate gear lol. You're a retard. And yes, I will stand corrected if my labmax comes back bad and I will post the results for all the members here to see. I don't know why you're getting upset man lol.
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A shill posting for all the members to see. Great! Looking forward to it! :rolleyes:
 
Its funny that the only people complaining on hammer's threads are the people who haven't bought anything from lol kinda weird right? You would think that the people who are dissatisfied with what they got would be the ones flaming this thread but nope its not. Its just the old members of these forums looking to flame every new comer and "shill" because they got nothing else to do. I may be a new member but ya'll are acting childish
 
franco14 said:
Its funny that the only people complaining on hammer's threads are the people who haven't bought anything from lol kinda weird right? You would think that the people who are dissatisfied with what they got would be the ones flaming this thread but nope its not. Its just the old members of these forums looking to flame every new comer and "shill" because they got nothing else to do. I may be a new member but ya'll are acting childish
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Apparently you haven't looked at my posts. Do you have a review yourself? Have you ran his gear? Then why the hell do you sound like a rep? Look I was the biggest Hammer supporter.I actually was accused of being a rep myself. I am getting disturbing PM's from guys that says Hammer is doing them dirty. I am the only member here who has posted Lab Max pics. Lab max only shows you what hormone is in the vial, if any. It's not a test to show the quality. I like hammer, he is the best source I've delt with as far as communication and T/A. I even had a problem with a pack getting to me and he offered to resend it, but I told him no cause I knew it was coming. Anyways, I have been running the tren for 7 wks at a ridiculous dose and don't even feel it and have 0 sides. I am just now in my 5th week of running his testC and will have blood work by the end of the week. This is a honest review from some one on the gear
 
OdieM said:
Apparently you haven't looked at my posts. Do you have a review yourself? Have you ran his gear? Then why the hell do you sound like a rep? Look I was the biggest Hammer supporter.I actually was accused of being a rep myself. I am getting disturbing PM's from guys that says Hammer is doing them dirty. I am the only member here who has posted Lab Max pics. Lab max only shows you what hormone is in the vial, if any. It's not a test to show the quality. I like hammer, he is the best source I've delt with as far as communication and T/A. I even had a problem with a pack getting to me and he offered to resend it, but I told him no cause I knew it was coming. Anyways, I have been running the tren for 7 wks at a ridiculous dose and don't even feel it and have 0 sides. I am just now in my 5th week of running his testC and will have blood work by the end of the week. This is a honest review from some one on the gear
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Your labmax showed you got what you payed for. You feel its underdosed because you arent feeling any side effects at all but this could be due to your stack/genes/ect the list goes on and on. And the people PMing you that hammer is doing them dirty should be Pming hammer, not the customer.

So far:
1.One labmax showing var coming back as winny
2. One dissatisfied customer feeling their tren was underdosed

AND over 30+ customers satisfied with not only their order but also their cycle here on evo.

Its all apart of business that their will be some customers not liking their product.

Im not a rep. I'm just a guy that can see the bigger picture and go with reason instead of hopping on the flame train.
 
These vets grill sources for a good reason. Safety of the community and trying to make sure people aren't getting ripped off. Especially new guys that are learning the ropes. I Don't have a problem with it. In fact I appreciate it. I know it's tough being put on blast but if the product is good it will speak for itself through bloodwork.
 
franco14 said:
Your labmax showed you got what you payed for. You feel its underdosed because you arent feeling any side effects at all but this could be due to your stack/genes/ect the list goes on and on. And the people PMing you that hammer is doing them dirty should be Pming hammer, not the customer.

So far:
1.One labmax showing var coming back as winny
2. One dissatisfied customer feeling their tren was underdosed

AND over 30+ customers satisfied with not only their order but also their cycle here on evo.

Its all apart of business that their will be some customers not liking their product.

Im not a rep. I'm just a guy that can see the bigger picture and go with reason instead of hopping on the flame train.
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My lab max showed I got what I payed for? You have no idea do you? This is comical. No, I get what I pay for if it is dosed like the print on the label says it is. Once again why do you sound like a shill if you have never even pinned this guys gear? Your 30 satisfied customers that you speak of have never posted BLOODS. lol Shit I could give you sugar pills and tell you its a new aas and you would see results. Theirs studies to prove it. They are writing a review off a feeling they have and a pack landing on their door step. Members here said his anavar was good and now that someone finally Lab Maxed it we find out that it wasn't even anavar .LMAO

A member did contact Hammer. I told him too. He purchased the anavar/Whinny the same time the member that labmaxed it did. Hammer publicly said that he must of got his powders mixed up and that he would make it right. So when a member PMed me worried that he got whinny and didn't even know what mg it would be, I told him to contact hammer cause he said he would make it right. Hammer told the guy it was anavar and not to worry been after he said he must of had a mix up. This is not a game, we all want one thing here and thats for good quality gear. For fuck shakes even if its not good quality at lest let test be test and anavar be freaking anavar.

I am not here to bash Hammer I promise. I have stated many times that I like hammer. I actually asked him for brewing advice once. I'm just getting worked up from the shills thats don't have a freaking clue. I am into testing thats my thing. Check me out here,Meso,SW and a private board that a lot of EVO brothers are on. I'm on a journey for the best and along my journey I will tell my story of UGL's gear.
 
OdieM said:
My lab max showed I got what I payed for? You have no idea do you? This is comical. No, I get what I pay for if it is dosed like the print on the label says it is. Once again why do you sound like a shill if you have never even pinned this guys gear? Your 30 satisfied customers that you speak of have never posted BLOODS. lol Shit I could give you sugar pills and tell you its a new aas and you would see results. Theirs studies to prove it. They are writing a review off a feeling they have and a pack landing on their door step. Members here said his anavar was good and now that someone finally Lab Maxed it we find out that it wasn't even anavar .LMAO

A member did contact Hammer. I told him too. He purchased the anavar/Whinny the same time the member that labmaxed it did. Hammer publicly said that he must of got his powders mixed up and that he would make it right. So when a member PMed me worried that he got whinny and didn't even know what mg it would be, I told him to contact hammer cause he said he would make it right. Hammer told the guy it was anavar and not to worry been after he said he must of had a mix up. This is not a game, we all want one thing here and thats for good quality gear. For fuck shakes even if its not good quality at lest let test be test and anavar be freaking anavar.

I am not here to bash Hammer I promise. I have stated many times that I like hammer. I actually asked him for brewing advice once. I'm just getting worked up from the shills thats don't have a freaking clue. I am into testing thats my thing. Check me out here,Meso,SW and a private board that a lot of EVO brothers are on. I'm on a journey for the best and along my journey I will tell my story of UGL's gear.
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Ill list this in order so you can comprehend what I'm trying to say.

1. Just because those 30+ customer didn't post bloods to MAKE YOU SATISFIED doesn't mean they enjoyed hammers product.
2. Your words "Members here said his anavar was good". Then guess what they must of liked his product. The customer that tested his var must of noticed that it wasn't and that's why he labmaxed it which resulted in it being whinny and hammer already apologized for and stated he will make it right.
3. Don't get worked up on "shills" Seriously. You can call me or any one of his satisfied customers a shill but it doesn't mean anything as we are all just people on a forum board relating one another about gear/cycles/ect.

Once again ill say that their has been only 2 mishaps that are pertaining to hammer. This will happen with all UGLs its just apart of business.

Call me a shill all you want. I just see the bigger picture and just urge you all to do the same.
 
franco14 said:
Ill list this in order so you can comprehend what I'm trying to say.

1. Just because those 30+ customer didn't post bloods to MAKE YOU SATISFIED doesn't mean they enjoyed hammers product.
2. Your words "Members here said his anavar was good". Then guess what they must of liked his product. The customer that tested his var must of noticed that it wasn't and that's why he labmaxed it which resulted in it being whinny and hammer already apologized for and stated he will make it right.
3. Don't get worked up on "shills" Seriously. You can call me or any one of his satisfied customers a shill but it doesn't mean anything as we are all just people on a forum board relating one another about gear/cycles/ect.

Once again ill say that their has been only 2 mishaps that are pertaining to hammer. This will happen with all UGLs its just apart of business.

Call me a shill all you want. I just see the bigger picture and just urge you all to do the same.
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Alright I'm not getting into to a typing war with a guy/girl/shill, who knows cause know one has ever even heard of this guy until the month. You've never even ran the guys gear that your defending, so whats the deal? Once again I wrote a review from my experience from actually being on the gear for 7 weeks. My blood results should be up by friday. That is all.
 
I have not ordered from Hammer, but was thinking about it..OdieM do you have the MS of the tren you have? Or a labmax? Maybe I missed it.
 
Payrion said:
I have not ordered from Hammer, but was thinking about it..OdieM do you have the MS of the tren you have? Or a labmax? Maybe I missed it.
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There is a lab max pic in this thread i believe and I made another thread and posted pics there to. It was defiantly a pass on the labmax. His trenA is trenA. Remember though lab max does not show the quality.
 
Quality reviews are largely going to be subjective. That's a fact of life. Mass spec testing is a fairy tale. Labmax isn't qualitative, blood work can only be done on testosterone and that isn't qualitative either (perhaps a little).

What gets me is how a negative subjective review always gets more credit than the inverse. Watch for competitor smear campaigns. I see many people getting dupped, especially on other boards. I'm not saying that is or isn't that case here but unfortunately there is a lot of politics in the ugl game. Just be aware of that.



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OdieM said:
There is a lab max pic in this thread i believe and I made another thread and posted pics there to. It was defiantly a pass on the labmax. His trenA is trenA. Remember though lab max does not show the quality.
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Hey brother... You should shoot me an email and lets get some fresh Tren-A out to you... Or would you like to try a different product? Tren-E perhaps?
 
GBPACK26 said:
Var coming back as winny is a "mistake," not "proof" of illegitimate gear lol. You're a retard. And yes, I will stand corrected if my labmax comes back bad and I will post the results for all the members here to see. I don't know why you're getting upset man lol.
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Just to just to clarify:

Someone other than you, posting a LM that reveals Hammers var is winny, is an honest mistake?

You posting a LM revealing Hammers gear isn't what its suppose to be, is proof?

Brilliant.
 
To put it to rest about being a shill, had to google that btw. I am a new member here and on ASF as I have been off of the boards completely for a few years as I stated in my intro a couple weeks ago due to school, work, life, etc. When I was 19 I registered on my first board, ABB (anonymousbodybuilding.com), which was a small board but with good guys and we all trusted eachother. I went under the username Trainhard19, and if you know anyone that was on that board they might even remember me. I lost touch with the board and came back to realize that it had been shit down. I posted on the board for about a year and contributed to board every now and then with donations here and there to help build my rep with the guys before I even thought about purchasing from any of the labs on the board. I finally did and it went smooth several times, I never labmaxed and got bloods done but I always had good gains and I had no reason to distrust anyone there at all. I even purchased from a startup lab that did things very similar to hammer. Dudes username was "houndofulster" and the lab was called "ulster labs." Seems to be shut down now but the gear was good, no joke. I also purchased from some more established labs that I needed refs for, one guy went by the username "lacosamia" over on ABB. To this day he had the best list I have ever seen. Startup labs come and go, but it doesn't mean they didn't have decent gear. I can't speak on the quality of the gear yet but I will as soon as I can. I have been pinning the test C at 750mg/wk since thursday and popping 50mg dbol/day as well. Yesterday was first workout on the gear and I did notice a better pump and maybe some added stamina but we all know that could be a placibo effect. So we will see, like I said in previous posts I will be posting a labmax as soon as my light comes and bloods in a few weeks. So anyways, I joined this board to in hopes of finding a new reliable source to go through as all my other contacts went down with ABB. I developed a certain level of trust purchasing this way on ABB and it carried over here and I made a small purchase from a guy that seemed to have a good rep. I did not realize that you could simply pay your way onto a board like he did as over on ABB you needed refs and to be allowed on. Who knows, maybe I got dupped, in the end i only lost a few hundo. I'll live. Time will tell. I have sent hammer an email regarding all of the bad feedback and I have heard nothing back yet. Apologies for the lengthy post, but like I said before, I am NOT A SHILL. Just another guy.
 
So to me, if someone untrustworthy was allowed to sell their products here i question the mods who allowed them on, not just the guy who took advantage of it. Because to me, the mods allowed it to happen, and they could have prevented it. In regards to hammer pushing his products, I respect it. I am in sales and you have to be a dog, if you;re not you will get beat. I would push my products too, any smart business man would. I do it every single day, shills or not, if you believe in your product then push it. Every business starts with some shills. Mine did, and it wasn't because I wanted to take adavntage of people. It was because I believe in what I was doing and I needed to do that to build a customer base and a reputation. Now even with a solid customer base and referrals all the time, I still push my product until I am blue in the face. Because I believe in it, and I change lives with what I do. That is all.
 
GBPACK26 said:
So to me, if someone untrustworthy was allowed to sell their products here i question the mods who allowed them on, not just the guy who took advantage of it. Because to me, the mods allowed it to happen, and they could have prevented it. In regards to hammer pushing his products, I respect it. I am in sales and you have to be a dog, if you;re not you will get beat. I would push my products too, any smart business man would. I do it every single day, shills or not, if you believe in your product then push it. Every business starts with some shills. Mine did, and it wasn't because I wanted to take adavntage of people. It was because I believe in what I was doing and I needed to do that to build a customer base and a reputation. Now even with a solid customer base and referrals all the time, I still push my product until I am blue in the face. Because I believe in it, and I change lives with what I do. That is all.
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I loved anonymousbbing. One of my all time favorites. That board was right up there with anabolicmuscle. I was disappointed when they went off line. They both had set ups like many boards do today. They were "Open" boards but they both had sections that weren't accessible to all. You had to be trusted. Today those sections exist and you have to have "vip" or "vet" or some other way of letting others who have the pass that you have it also.
The original Pinnacle Labs was on anabolicmuscle...he was busted in RAW DEAL. He did a 3 part interview in some magazine not long ago. I'm not talking about the Pinnacle that turned out some shitty and very painful gear.
GBPack, if you pulled what shills pull all over every board in your business on the street, your ethics are more than twisted and if you are in a field where you need to be licensed I see fines and your being ordered to take and pay for classes that teach about ethics. After successfully completing classes and paying fines a long probationary period would follow. It's simply wrong. How don't you see this? Being excited is no excuse for lies and for deliberately putting people you have compensated in the way of people on the fence deciding where to spend their money and acting as if they don't know you and that they just happen to be so completely satisfied and would recommend your company to family and friends in hopes of swaying them to spend with you even though they have never paid for a service for you and just happen to perhaps be sleeping with you every couple of days.
That's deceit and complete bullshit.
 
biggerben69 said:
I loved anonymousbbing. One of my all time favorites. That board was right up there with anabolicmuscle. I was disappointed when they went off line. They both had set ups like many boards do today. They were "Open" boards but they both had sections that weren't accessible to all. You had to be trusted. Today those sections exist and you have to have "vip" or "vet" or some other way of letting others who have the pass that you have it also.
The original Pinnacle Labs was on anabolicmuscle...he was busted in RAW DEAL. He did a 3 part interview in some magazine not long ago. I'm not talking about the Pinnacle that turned out some shitty and very painful gear.
GBPack, if you pulled what shills pull all over every board in your business on the street, your ethics are more than twisted and if you are in a field where you need to be licensed I see fines and your being ordered to take and pay for classes that teach about ethics. After successfully completing classes and paying fines a long probationary period would follow. It's simply wrong. How don't you see this? Being excited is no excuse for lies and for deliberately putting people you have compensated in the way of people on the fence deciding where to spend their money and acting as if they don't know you and that they just happen to be so completely satisfied and would recommend your company to family and friends in hopes of swaying them to spend with you even though they have never paid for a service for you and just happen to perhaps be sleeping with you every couple of days.
That's deceit and complete bullshit.
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I guess you must have misunderstood what I was saying, I was not saying that paying people to lie for you is right or ok. I was saying that defending your product is a good thing. And I am not following some of your references in there but I think I get the gist of it. I have never paid someone to lie about me or my services, but when I got out of school and had no track record I sure as hell didn't tell my first client that they were my first client. That is all I was saying. And I still provided I top notch service and have never had an unsatisfied customer to date. I am very proud of that.
 
Can't speak for tests others have done or reviews from others but I can speak to the communication and service from Hammer. Excellent on both counts as well as delivery time. Spot on and can't get any better. That of course does not speak for quality of gear or anything else. I don't do reviews since others here are so much better. I'll leave that part to you guys. I'll also be watching and reading carefully.
 
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