First Cycle Help (Wolf Pack)

[jonlb21]

Ok Guys,

I need some help planning my first cycle. I’m 28 and have been lifting for 4 years. I’m at 14% bodyfat (10 pounds away from my cut goal). I’m currently cutting. Before someone freaks out and says why are you doing a cycle while cutting? Or wait until your bf % is lower. I’m doing the test cycle for muscle preservation more than anything. My arms and devolvement has been bigger than it ever has before and in the last few weeks (again cutting) I’ve been losing gains and muscle definition. So I wont to run a test e cycle while cutting to maintain or get a tiny bit more of lean mass while cutting. I have seen plenty of test while cutting success stories on here, and test helps boost weight loss.

This is what I have in stock at my house
1 Bottle RS Transderm
2 Bottles N2 Guard
1 Bottle Forma Stanzol
2 vials of 10ml of Test e
Half a bottle of Oxandrovar
1 Bottle of HCGenerate
1 Test Stack 17
1 Yosimbe Flame
GW Carnadine Sarms
S4 Sarms
Huge supply of anavar
Clomid 30tabs 50mg
Aromasin 20tabs 15mg
Letrozole 20 tabs 2.5mg

So I need help getting the numbers and doing right. I ask because I may need to place an order for more gear for pct.

Could someone help me lay out a good plan including everything I have listed (yes the anavar too) with a good pct ?

 

[enrod]

Gonna be honest I don't know what half those things are as I do not rep for any of the supplement companies here. Keep your first cycle simple. Test will be great for assisting with muscle wasting while in a calorie deficiency. I can't comment on sarms, I don't use them. Anavar is up to you, the pumps can be kind of strange and painful. Not sure the quality of your var, but I see nothing wrong with 60mg for the length of your run.

Test E/C 400mg for 10-12 weeks
2 weeks after shot:
Clomid pct 100mg for 2 weeks 50 mg for 2 weeks
Nolva 40/40/20/20 (tamoxifen citrate not some nolva clone vitamin)


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[jonlb21]

I have clomid and aromasin? Instead of Nolva shouldnt I just order more aromasin. Ive read on here armosain in the best

 

[cjs_gymlife]

Really surprised you have all that gear, but your asking about your first cycle. I'd do just the test and keep it simple, maybe in some cutting stuff like clen but yeah.

 

[enrod]

I have clomid and aromasin? Instead of Nolva shouldnt I just order more aromasin. Ive read on here armosain in the best

Yeah you'd be fine with aromasin, just costs more. Usually you run aromasin on cycle tho, then I don't see the need post for nolva. If you have 15mg pills, I'd say do 15mg eod unless you feel it's necessary to up that dose (ie bad bloating, nipple sensitivity).


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[jonlb21]

I think I'm going to add anavar the last 4 weeks of the cycle. So I run 15mg of Aromasin every other day for the entire cycle and come off it post cycle ? And what is the best PCT for clomid when and how much to start ?

 

[enrod]

I think I'm going to add anavar the last 4 weeks of the cycle. So I run 15mg of Aromasin every other day for the entire cycle and come off it post cycle ? And what is the best PCT for clomid when and how much to start ?

No need to only run for four weeks with var, others may tell you otherwise but I've ran it for 10+. This is opinion and experience, not going to argue liver toxicity. And yes you're estrogen will be low enough from the aromasin on cycle, no need to crash it into the ground further during post. This will delay recovery as well.

2 weeks after your last shot, take clomid at 100mg for two weeks split through the day, and 50mg for the following 2 weeks.


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[gearhead]

bro you got a lot of stuff...you want to cycle them maybe in 2 cycles at least....

 

[jonlb21]

This is what I think I'm going to go with. Please let me know if I'm missing anything or should move stuff around.

29 Gauge 1 inch syringe injected in the glute (12 weeks on cycle 4 weeks PCT )

Week 1-12 500mg Test E (Sunday & Thursday)
Week 1-12 Aromasin 12.5 Every Other Day (May adjust if needed)
Week 1-16 N2 Guard 3 Caps am 3 Caps evening
Week 6-12 Anavar 60-80mg a day
Week 6-12 Oxandrovar 3 pills a day (only have a half a bottle)
Week 1-16 S4 Sarm
Week 1-16 RS Transderm
Week 1-16 Forma Stanzol

PCT (2 weeks after last injection) 4 weeks total

Week 14-18 HCGenerate 5 caps a day
Week 14-18 Clomid (1st week50mg, 2nd week 50mg, 3rd week 25mg, 4th 25mg

I also have Letro on hand so if I start experiencing geno I could add that in. Speaking of which, this is my first cycle so what physical things should I be on the look out that I’m experiences gyno so I can fix it before its too late.

 

[jonlb21]

I forgot to say Test Stack 17 weeks 14-18

 

[Mountain-Man]

Formastanzonal is great stuff used it last cutting cycle

 

[wolfpackalpha]

This is what I think I'm going to go with. Please let me know if I'm missing anything or should move stuff around.

29 Gauge 1 inch syringe injected in the glute (12 weeks on cycle 4 weeks PCT )

Week 1-12 500mg Test E (Sunday & Thursday)
Week 1-12 Aromasin 12.5 Every Other Day (May adjust if needed)
Week 1-16 N2 Guard 3 Caps am 3 Caps evening
Week 6-12 Anavar 60-80mg a day
Week 6-12 Oxandrovar 3 pills a day (only have a half a bottle)
Week 1-16 S4 Sarm
Week 1-16 RS Transderm
Week 1-16 Forma Stanzol

PCT (2 weeks after last injection) 4 weeks total

Week 14-18 HCGenerate 5 caps a day
Week 14-18 Clomid (1st week50mg, 2nd week 50mg, 3rd week 25mg, 4th 25mg

I also have Letro on hand so if I start experiencing geno I could add that in. Speaking of which, this is my first cycle so what physical things should I be on the look out that I’m experiences gyno so I can fix it before its too late.

Since this is your first cycle, I suggest you run it full 14 weeks to maximize your gains and results. Here is a sample layout you can follow:

Week 1-6: Kick-Start
Anavar - 50mgs/day
Testosterone enanthate - 500mgs/week
Andarine (S4) 25mgs/day
Cardarine (GW) 20mgs/day
Aromasin 12.5mgs EOD
N2Guard 7caps/day

Week 7-10: Build-Up
Testosterone enanthate - 500mgs/week
Andarine (S4) 25mgs/day
Cardarine (GW) 20mgs/day
Aromasin 12.5mgs EOD
N2Guard 7caps/day

Week 11-14: Closer
Oxandrovar - 3 pills/day
Testosterone enanthate - 500mgs/week
Andarine (S4) 25mgs/day
Cardarine (GW) 20mgs/day
Aromasin 12.5mgs EOD
HCGenerate 5caps/day
N2Guard 8 caps/day

Week 15-20: PCT
Please review the perfect pct here.

 

[jonlb21]

So it should look like this ?

Week 1-6: Kick-Start
Anavar - 50mgs/day ( Can I run this the whole 14 weeks ?)
Testosterone enanthate - 500mgs/week
Andarine (S4) 25mgs/day
Cardarine (GW) 20mgs/day
Aromasin 12.5mgs EOD
N2Guard 7caps/day

Week 7-10: Build-Up
Testosterone enanthate - 500mgs/week
Andarine (S4) 25mgs/day
Cardarine (GW) 20mgs/day
Aromasin 12.5mgs EOD
N2Guard 7caps/day

Week 11-14: Closer
Oxandrovar - 3 pills/day
Testosterone enanthate - 500mgs/week
Andarine (S4) 25mgs/day
Cardarine (GW) 20mgs/day
Aromasin 12.5mgs EOD
HCGenerate 5caps/day
N2Guard 8 caps/day

Start PCT 14 days after last injection ?

PCT
Week 15-20HCG Generate (Not ES) 5 Caps ED
Week 15-20 Clomid 50mg/50mg/25mg/25mg
Week 15-20 Nolva 40mg/20mg/20mg/20mg
Week 15-20 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD (I still take this even though its PCT?)
Week 15-20 Test Stack 17 3 pills a day
Week 15-20 N2 Guard 7 Pills ED
Week 15-20 Forma Stanzol
Weeks 15-20 RS Transderm

 

[gearhead]

bro it's a 6 week pct...you start it after 7 days past the last injection....and this is the perfect pct: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[ibleedoranbla]

Whatever you do, do not run that oxandrovar at 3 caps a day, for the love of God.

 

[Jdcain19]

So it should look like this ?

Week 1-6: Kick-Start
Anavar - 50mgs/day ( Can I run this the whole 14 weeks ?)
Testosterone enanthate - 500mgs/week
Andarine (S4) 25mgs/day
Cardarine (GW) 20mgs/day
Aromasin 12.5mgs EOD
N2Guard 7caps/day

Week 7-10: Build-Up
Testosterone enanthate - 500mgs/week
Andarine (S4) 25mgs/day
Cardarine (GW) 20mgs/day
Aromasin 12.5mgs EOD
N2Guard 7caps/day

Week 11-14: Closer
Oxandrovar - 3 pills/day
Testosterone enanthate - 500mgs/week
Andarine (S4) 25mgs/day
Cardarine (GW) 20mgs/day
Aromasin 12.5mgs EOD
HCGenerate 5caps/day
N2Guard 8 caps/day

Start PCT 14 days after last injection ?

PCT
Week 15-20HCG Generate (Not ES) 5 Caps ED
Week 15-20 Clomid 50mg/50mg/25mg/25mg
Week 15-20 Nolva 40mg/20mg/20mg/20mg
Week 15-20 Aromasin 12.5mg EOD (I still take this even though its PCT?)
Week 15-20 Test Stack 17 3 pills a day
Week 15-20 N2 Guard 7 Pills ED
Week 15-20 Forma Stanzol
Weeks 15-20 RS Transderm

I would really advise you to run a Test only cycle. If you want to throw in some GW, that will help with fat loss. No need for the Var right now, you will see great results from the Test at 500mg/week. Also, if something goes haywire, you have WAY too many variables to figure out the cause. So, check this out:

WEEKS 1-12
Test E - 500mg/week
Aromasin 12.5/EOD - watch your energy levels with this. If you feel too tired, may want to back off a little cause your estrogen may be too low. You have to find a sweet spot here.

Start PCT 14 days after last inject because that is the half life of Test E.

PCT
Clomid 50/50/25/25 t - That's 4 weeks 50mg/ED first two weeks and 25mg/ED last two weeks.
Add in a natural test booster to help you HPTA even more.

That's it. Easy as pie and you will not be disappointed.


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[wolfpackalpha]

PCT
Clomid 50/50/25/25 t - That's 4 weeks 50mg/ED first two weeks and 25mg/ED last two weeks.
Add in a natural test booster to help you HPTA even more.

While I do agree that using more steroids isn't necessarily prudent in his case, I doubt he will shift his train of thought into the conservative corner. This is true for most steroid users, as I've seen it with many of my clients.

As far as PCT, I've done 100s of bloodwork runs with my clients (myself included), and I can assure you it's very difficult to recover from a prolonged testosterone only cycle with clomid/test booster only. He would need to do a full PCT, like the perfect pct, and recover completely; otherwise, long term health problems are something he's going to live with. Including possible long term testosterone suppression.

 

[jonlb21]

While I do agree that using more steroids isn't necessarily prudent in his case, I doubt he will shift his train of thought into the conservative corner. This is true for most steroid users, as I've seen it with many of my clients.

As far as PCT, I've done 100s of bloodwork runs with my clients (myself included), and I can assure you it's very difficult to recover from a prolonged testosterone only cycle with clomid/test booster only. He would need to do a full PCT, like the perfect pct, and recover completely; otherwise, long term health problems are something he's going to live with. Including possible long term testosterone suppression.

I'm only going to do a 12 week cycle.

My PCT will look like this

4 weeks

PCT
Week HCG Generate (Not ES) 5 Caps ED
Week clomid 50mg/50mg/25mg/25mg
Week nolva 40mg/20mg/20mg/20mg
Week 15-20 Test Stack 17 3 pills a day
Week 15-20 N2 Guard 7 Pills ED
Week 15-20 Forma Stanzol
Weeks 15-20 RS Transderm

 

[jonlb21]

So this is my finished plan


Week 1-6: Kick-Start
Testosterone enanthate - 500mgs/week
Andarine (S4) 25mgs/day
Cardarine (GW) 20mgs/day
aromasin 12.5mgs EOD
N2Guard 7caps/day

Week 7-10: Build-Up
Testosterone enanthate - 500mgs/week
Andarine (S4) 25mgs/day
Cardarine (GW) 20mgs/day
Aromasin 12.5mgs EOD
Anavar 80-100mg ED
N2Guard 7caps/day

Week 11-14: Closer
Testosterone enanthate - 500mgs/week
Andarine (S4) 25mgs/day
Cardarine (GW) 20mgs/day
Aromasin 12.5mgs EOD
Anavar 80-100mg ED
HCGenerate 5caps/day
N2Guard 8 caps/day

Start PCT14 days after last injection

PCT
Week 15-20HCG Generate (Not ES) 5 Caps ED
Week 15-20 clomid 50mg/50mg/25mg/25mg
Week 15-20 nolva 40mg/20mg/20mg/20mg
Week 15-20 Test Stack 17 3 pills a day
Week 15-20 N2 Guard 7 Pills ED
Week 15-20 Forma Stanzol
Weeks 15-20 RS Transderm

I will get blood work done before my cycle, week 6-7 on cycle, and then again 2 weeks after I stop PCT

 

[Jdcain19]

While I do agree that using more steroids isn't necessarily prudent in his case, I doubt he will shift his train of thought into the conservative corner. This is true for most steroid users, as I've seen it with many of my clients.

As far as PCT, I've done 100s of bloodwork runs with my clients (myself included), and I can assure you it's very difficult to recover from a prolonged testosterone only cycle with clomid/test booster only. He would need to do a full PCT, like the perfect pct, and recover completely; otherwise, long term health problems are something he's going to live with. Including possible long term testosterone suppression.

^^^ This... Listen to him and add more to your PCT, which it looks like you have done.

 

[jonlb21]

I mean if you don't think that's enough for PCT, I could always order some unleased and combo it with test stack 17 but that might be overkill

 

[hurricane]

a good pct is essential! dont cut it short or you will be sorry

 

[Jdcain19]

I mean if you don't think that's enough for PCT, I could always order some unleased and combo it with test stack 17 but that might be overkill

Get some other opinions, but the last PCT you posted looks good to me. Some may mention to add some Ostarine to help prevent muscle loss, but other than that, I think it looks good.

 

[jonlb21]

Thanks thast what I'm going with. 4-5 week pct isnt short so I dont know why he's saying that

 

[gearhead]

Thanks thast what I'm going with. 4-5 week pct isnt short so I dont know why he's saying that

bro 6 full week pct is best for full recovery...no questions about suppression after a full 6 weeker...

 

[MrMagyar]

I just wanted to confirm something regarding sarms in the perfect post cycle plan. It would require 2 bottles of Cardarine GW-501516 and 1 bottle of Ostarine MK-2866?