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Zitexx tren ace

DethMetl said:
In my opinion it's 3 strikes...

1. Bad Bloods
2. Bad Labmax
3. Bad Tren results

What's not to question here? Doesn't matter whose fault, Def's, Raws, Supplier's, whatever. If I were a supposed top level competitor running this Tren, I'd be a pissed off motherfucker right now. Fortunately I'm just a dude who wants to look good for the Summer. Not much else on the line.
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They are not pissed off as a matter of fact they look better then ever and I have watched as they have gone through their cycles...seen it with my own eyes
 
Putting COAs from you supplier holds about as much weight as a bag of crap to us...Post your personal results and that might mean something...Post blood results, that would mean a ton...Lab max..that would hold something little....
 
Payrion said:
I think it has ZERO in it....Here is why..follow along......I was on GREAT test E for 5 weeks at 1000mg/wk.......Then started zitexx only at 1000mg/wk for 5 weeks.....levels came back at 1500.9.....That was my levels coming down after being on good shit for 5 weeks....I worked all the math out by 1/2 lifes... My test E from zitexx was 100% bunk...
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ok thanks for your info
 
Payrion said:
Putting COAs from you supplier holds about as much weight as a bag of crap to us...Post your personal results and that might mean something...Post blood results, that would mean a ton...Lab max..that would hold something little....
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Agreed, anyone could falsify COA's. Im sure defcon has some test e and primo sitting around. Get a couple labmax kits and run them, and post the results. I would like to see what you get


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LAfit said:
Agreed, anyone could falsify COA's. Im sure defcon has some test e and primo sitting around. Get a couple labmax kits and run them, and post the results. I would like to see what you get


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Better yet post MS results performed by him...at least post blood test after 5 weeks of use....The PROs he sells to ..I KNOW they get bloods..I know a few IBFF pros local to me and they get bloods all the time
 
Payrion said:
Better yet post MS results performed by him...at least post blood test after 5 weeks of use....The PROs he sells to ..I KNOW they get bloods..I know a few IBFF pros local to me and they get bloods all the time
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Absolutely MS would put all this to bed, but if he isn't doing a labmax he sure as hell isn't doing MS haha


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I wouldn't trust him at this point to post actual labmax or MS results. Pull some pics of the web and post them maybe. A source trying to salvage their reputation is going going to be salvaged by tests done by users. He could post anything. He can say all the top level competitors in the world are loving his gear. That don't mean shit to me. How can anybody prove that? He can't. It's bullshit. Again, if I were a top level competitor relying on this Tren, I'd be a mad Hulk right now smashing down this dude's door.
 
DethMetl said:
I wouldn't trust him at this point to post actual labmax or MS results. Pull some pics of the web and post them maybe. A source trying to salvage their reputation is going going to be salvaged by tests done by users. He could post anything. He can say all the top level competitors in the world are loving his gear. That don't mean shit to me. How can anybody prove that? He can't. It's bullshit. Again, if I were a top level competitor relying on this Tren, I'd be a mad Hulk right now smashing down this dude's door.
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Another thing thats a fact..The few dudes that I know that are juiced the fuck up are on so much shit, A fuckn ton, They dont know whats working and whats not....true story..
 
Yeah, I've spent enough on this too this morning. Wouldn't even trust free gear from Def at this point not to have Arsenic in it. I'm free of all his gear. Time to move on. Happy weekend guys.
 
I still want to know what these "interesting e mails" are...Ive had a few PMs saying it seems like he is insinuating something about the people that gave bad results...I didnt think about that til it was brought to my attention...
 
Payrion said:
I still want to know what these "interesting e mails" are...Ive had a few PMs saying it seems like he is insinuating something about the people that gave bad results...I didnt think about that til it was brought to my attention...
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I'm sure it has to do with the guys that left this board and went to AR bro. He's is prolly being fed some BS.


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Payrion said:
I still want to know what these "interesting e mails" are...Ive had a few PMs saying it seems like he is insinuating something about the people that gave bad results...I didnt think about that til it was brought to my attention...
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Hey payrion, help me out here I'm not following you here what exactly was brought to your attention and what's your take on the possibilities?
 
Mr. Chicago said:
Hey payrion, help me out here I'm not following you here what exactly was brought to your attention and what's your take on the possibilities?
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He keeps mentioning that he has "interesting" e mail about the negative test results...I thought nothing of it until I got a few PMs people saying it seems like he is insinuating something about the people who posted negative results..IDK...I want him to tell us what he means...Like I said...I thought nothing of it until I reread ..everytime he mentions bad results he then goes on to say and he has received interesting e mails too about it..
 
I'm reposting this here for the simple fact people may not be following both threads and def seems to be responding here more. All the people that have been on your gear several weeks now there's nothing but silence or total uproar. The newbies you targeted just don't know any better and may think it's good but no one is chiming in how great they feel and lifts are up and libido through the roof, and all the guys who have run tren before know yours is underdosed at best. PTPT said he actually had to stop bc of the sides but he was taking close to a gram so that's really no good indication. Simple fact is that bloodwork and labmax doesn't lie. I would never order zitexx for this fact alone but your shady customer service after bloods and the auctions coming to a hault that same week is really what sealed it for me. Either you're ignorant to your own product, do not even know how to make it, or your raws are crap, and then there is obviously the possibility you know it is crap and you are a straight up scammer. Honestly I don't think one is worse than the others they're all bad and for this never again will I advocate anyone even sampling zitexx.
 
Glioblastoma said:
Welp, time to whip out the good ole LC/MS. Busy as hell during the week but I'll get to it next saturday. Let's see what we find
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You can do this! Which products your doing
 
DethMetl said:
And just so I'm clear,

This will show not only what's in it, but the concentration as well?
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Yes

Payrion said:
I wouldnt get to excited guys..Even the big dogs in the game cannot access this..
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What does being a big dog in the game have to do with it? I can access it because I work full-time in a lab for my PhD. I wouldn't expect a bunch of sellers to randomly have the same career path or opportunities. I don't do it that often simply because it's annoyingly time consuming and requires me to go after hours.

But btw, if a "big dog" tells you they don't have access, they're lying to save face and money. It's very easy to contact a 3rd party verification program, pay a few hundred, and have them run a full panel. So in short, everyone has access.
 
forward55 said:
He has talk to me though email he not hiding insures me everything is good
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I'm glad you're comfortable with getting emails lol
 
Glioblastoma said:
Yes



What does being a big dog in the game have to do with it? I can access it because I work full-time in a lab for my PhD. I wouldn't expect a bunch of sellers to randomly have the same career path or opportunities. I don't do it that often simply because it's annoyingly time consuming and requires me to go after hours.

But btw, if a "big dog" tells you they don't have access, they're lying to save face and money. It's very easy to contact a 3rd party verification program, pay a few hundred, and have them run a full panel. So in short, everyone has access.
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Your talking mas spec results?
 
Just bc he replies from time to time on here and answers emails or PMs does not mean a damn thing, they're probably all generic copy paste answers to all if us to buy a little more time to make money. I remember a post when def said it took him years to find his supplier and he is close to him and all that and in one just the other day he mentioned something about leaving his better supplier for a different one bc he disliked his packaging, that right there just shows he does not have the relationship with the supplier he made us to believe.
 
He kept everybody somewhat happy by replying to emails about quality concerns, now that the shi* is about to really hitting the fan we will see if he's a legit business man or a complete conniving scammer. I have a bunch of his products and I would like to be taken care of as I'm sure all of you would.
 
Creep said:
He kept everybody somewhat happy by replying to emails about quality concerns, now that the shi* is about to really hitting the fan we will see if he's a legit business man or a complete conniving scammer. I have a bunch of his products and I would like to be taken care of as I'm sure all of you would.
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Bro I got tray full ace and prop. Fuck me lol
 
Payrion said:
Id like to see bloods on the prop..NO ONE fakes prop..even scammers dont fake prop...lol
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You using it? I agree prop cheap. But, I will I will say I've had people hit me up asking why it seemed low. I dunno man.. This whole situation fucked up. Hard separate fact from fiction.. Even tho I'm a %100 user experiencing same issues.
 
Boy do I got a deal for you!!

used-car-salesman.webp
 
DethMetl said:
Lmao, top race car drivers been driving my cars for years!!
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Riding the tren mobile.. Been in first place since I.. Got tested!!
 
NY REBEL said:
You using it? I agree prop cheap. But, I will I will say I've had people hit me up asking why it seemed low. I dunno man.. This whole situation fucked up. Hard separate fact from fiction.. Even tho I'm a %100 user experiencing same issues.
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No Im not,,,I even jumped off the deca just in case...To many questions.
 
I went through 10cc' s of his prop in ten days, I think I should've felt a jump in libido at least, idk what's going on
 
My libido went way down this week, I was running another prop till the 10th and his prop stating the 11th. I don't know what more to say about the gear I'm starting to look one sided but the gear is not working on me. I feel no pump from the tren I feel weaker and my sides are going away. Like I said I was on different tren and test till the 10th so to me not missing a day from my old gear to def's gear and my sides and gains slowly start to go down hill means it's a little weak, that's just my opinion
 
Has anybody labmax'd his tren-E? By the way this thread is going, its likely bunk or underdosed, but im just curious if defcon even made an attempt to place any correct gear in it.
 
Nothing yet it seems.....I hope he is paying attention. He was on here like 2 days ago, but nothing since as far as compensation
 
I feel like a 85 year old man right now, you got fucked by your raw guy or something man. I hope this is made right or just let us know what's up, iv went a week on his gear and all my sides I was getting from my good gear has stopped. He might have some good gear out there but what iv got ain't it


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I would rule out any kind of compensation. As much gear that flew around with all those auctions it would be crazy for him to try and replace it all. Needs to just get run out of here and never come back. I guess we have some more bloods coming and potentially some Mass Spec. But if they even show anything less than fair results, then this dude needs to get the fuck out of here and everyone cut their losses.
 
I'm on week 5 of my cycle, two weeks on good gear, two weeks on Zitexx Test Cyp(Lot 7302) and even though it's been some years since my last cycle, I should be feeling the Test. I switched back to good gear this afternoon. I won't chance running such questionable gear like this again whether he offers to replace or not.


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On his tren ace to. Went from another source to his, went from night sweats and aggression to zero sides and I'm pinning more of the zitex. If in would knick a blood vessel on the other sources I'd tren cough like a mofo....this stuff I think I can shoot right into a vein and I wouldn't cough ..... more bunk shit I've stupidly bought it seems....
 
I talked to def in pm's, maybe he will make new gear out of new raws who knows. He tells me he will make it right and he has 100+ good reviews but what about our shit gear? I mean he has not been back on here telling us anything but he has good reviews and he don't know what happened, it's been long enough I'm ready to hear what's being done to fix his weak gear or the mods need to come in and boot him. If he makes everything right then fine let him stay but there's enough guys saying the shits weak with nothing being done for me


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miahlaw13 said:
On his tren ace to. Went from another source to his, went from night sweats and aggression to zero sides and I'm pinning more of the zitex. If in would knick a blood vessel on the other sources I'd tren cough like a mofo....this stuff I think I can shoot right into a vein and I wouldn't cough ..... more bunk shit I've stupidly bought it seems....
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I am really starting to believe I just though $500 out the window, man I hate reality sometimes. I bought it because Mike Snow said it was g2g why would he lie???
 
Jzp87 said:
I talked to def in pm's, maybe he will make new gear out of new raws who knows. He tells me he will make it right and he has 100+ good reviews but what about our shit gear? I mean he has not been back on here telling us anything but he has good reviews and he don't know what happened, it's been long enough I'm ready to hear what's being done to fix his weak gear or the mods need to come in and boot him. If he makes everything right then fine let him stay but there's enough guys saying the shits weak with nothing being done for me


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100+ lol. Maybe I'm blind but I haven't seen one.
 
I think everyone jumped on it for the same reason I did, it was a killer deal and all these guys said it was killer. I was just going to order a small amount but I had the money and said fuck it, I never ever do that but hell I just did it again with another source because in my head all the def gear I got is junk. I think def came here and was nice and sold a ton of gear, I mean come on guys he was letting stuff go in auctions for half of what it was worth for weeks that should of been my number one reason not to buy anything. I see a lot of these guys pushing gear man and I mean pushing it hard all that m2bm stuff and sarms1 iv never ran any of it but iv done some cycles in my life and never ran any of that and I'm fine, for someone to say you have to have this before you start your cycle or don't buy that it's junk buy this when it's the same thing is wrong to me. I have ordered my supplements from pro source for at least 5 years and iv done just fine on it without spending a ton of money, I hate the fact that I spent my hole money I had put up on bunk gear but it happens. I myself don't expect anything from def because it will probably never happen but I would like to either see him kicked off or for him to tell us what's going on soon


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jonnybones said:
100+ lol. Maybe I'm blind but I haven't seen one.
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Must be guys from his area he keeps talking about. I mean maybe he had some good raws last year done a killer job and he got new raws they were trash so he unloaded them here "my guess". I'm sure I'm not the only one he sent a pm to but come on def tell us something man


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You know what I mean though? You can say that shit all day. I supply pros blah blah. It don't mean shit, anyone can say anything they want to say.
 
jonnybones said:
You know what I mean though? You can say that shit all day. I supply pros blah blah. It don't mean shit, anyone can say anything they want to say.
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He sold gear didn't he. And he doesn't seem to care to much about the negative feed back and back lash. Ultimately, for me, it's my own fault for not using a trusted source off here.....I just wonder now after being burned twice, with all the available sources what and who is legit. It seems everyone's gear is great till enough people get it then it's shit.....at least these new sources popping in and out.
 
Then don't use one man UGLs that make their shit at their house. Problem solved. You got Vermodje, pharmacom, some people like Alpha Pharma. RadJay. Hipo has pharma grade. They have something a one guy UGL could never have...quality control. And you know its clean!
 
I know exactly what you mean bro, it's just like these supplements you think jay cutler got that size from some pre and protein lol. I'm no pro I'm not crazy big I don't run 3g's of gear a week but I know a thing or two from personal experience and to me that's better than reading it off Google hahaha. I don't make things up I don't build something up that's not even if it makes me look dumb just like this I spent money on bunk gear made me look dumb for getting on this train but why lie and say it's amazing lol. I seen maybe 2 or 3 good reviews and one guy was running 900cc's of tren lol get the fuck out of here.
 
miahlaw13 said:
He sold gear didn't he. And he doesn't seem to care to much about the negative feed back and back lash. Ultimately, for me, it's my own fault for not using a trusted source off here.....I just wonder now after being burned twice, with all the available sources what and who is legit. It seems everyone's gear is great till enough people get it then it's shit.....at least these new sources popping in and out.
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That's what's sad man who knows if the guys saying its g2g is even on it lol. I mean like all these free samples that's been handed out like candy, anyone seen shit on any of them other than seems to be working but I don't know iv never ran gear before and I just started working out but hey he sent it and it got here fast lol. I honestly feel sorry for these new guys trying to be a source and the poor guys seeing these half ass reviews that only God knows if the op really said what's on here or if someone changed it. It's a sad world we're living in guys
 
He's made it clear that we are all actin ridiculous for saying hi gear sucks. He has not once said sorry or my bad. Nothing. Only "pros love it, 100's of good reviews, no complaints, I spent years perfecting my gear". Never once acknowledged is for having legit complaints.

Straight snake oil salesman. Maybe via PM he says some reconcilable things, but none, I repeat, NONE of it rectifies the situation.

Bad Primo
Bad Test
Bad Tren

What else do we need?

An this was his introduction to the board!!!! LOL

Shame on us.


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You look pretty big in your avi brother...great job. And I know, he's just marketing himself, but he keeps saying it like it means something, its fucking annoying lol. Plus logic tells me its not true based off the reviews/tests I see.
 
jonnybones said:
You look pretty big in your avi brother...great job. And I know, he's just marketing himself, but he keeps saying it like it means something, its fucking annoying lol. Plus logic tells me its not true based off the reviews/tests I see.
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Meant to quote JZP
 
Thanks jb! I can promise you I didn't get that way off def's gear hahaha but in all honesty guys if he thinks he's got good gear and what he has sold us is good he needs to come on here and explain to me why I have completely lost all my sides after a week of being on his gear. I know you will get different sides with different peoples gear but come on I was running 700cc's of his tren and and about 500cc's of his test p and my sex drive has went to nothing I literally did cardio for almost an hour where I couldn't even run a mile on the other tren I sleep like a baby and wake up dry. Can you explain def?
 
And if he isn't he is an ignorant asshole that doesn't know what he is doing which is just as bad in my book, absolutely no accountability with this guy, just deny deny deny, excuses, and bogus promises.
 
Some of the vials I gave my bro were filled normal but some to the brim, probably 12ml in some of them, no lab gives you that much extra, he was just hastily throwing random oils in vials slapping labels on them and sending them out.
 
I have a bunch of his products, I ran the test prop and had no noticeable benefit, nothing, so am I wrong to assume all of Zittexx gear is most likely no good, from whatever batch these raws came from. I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that his raw supplier got over on him. That being said if one of the cheapest raws (test prop) is no good, why would tren or better yet the primo be legit?
 
The test Cyp is shit too FTR. Still interested in seeing Brads bloods though.


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forward55 said:
I am really starting to believe I just though $500 out the window, man I hate reality sometimes. I bought it because Mike Snow said it was g2g why would he lie???
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He spoke way to soon..He is sorry for that too.. We all want to trust in a source and sometimes get wrapped up to fast..We learn from this...
 
Man that sucks guys,sorry to hear that. I always wait till I see some blood test before buying gear from a unknown source..
 
This isn't mike snow's fault or anyone else. I have seen the best sources turn scammer in my time so regardless of what people say, it's always a gamble. I tried and liked his tren. I had all the normal symptoms and they were harsh as hell.
I have alot of his gear now and like everyone else here I don't know what to do with it. I have alot of other gear so it's not like I need it but I didn't get it for free. I paid for everything he sent me.

Odds are he probably got bad powder from china but regardless, the only thing mods can do is ban him and if they do that our chance of closure just went to 0.
forward55 said:
I am really starting to believe I just though $500 out the window, man I hate reality sometimes. I bought it because Mike Snow said it was g2g why would he lie???
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This is the first I've caught this thread. I've read through it all and I agree
His Tren is shit. I got mine from an auction he had awhile back. Now I'm
Pretty sensitive when it comes to Tren A. I know my threshold when the sides
Become unbearable. I've had no night sweats no agression, no Tren cough, and I have knicked
A vein a few times. I was at 50mg Eod then went 75, then 100. There has been no change in physic consistent with this cycle Test P/ Tren A/ Mast P. This is not my first run of this cycle, I fact it is my go to cycle when not on my TRT cruise. So I know what to the expect
 
I ran 900mgs a week. I always made my own from pellets and had thesame symptoms. I woke up every morning in a pile of sweat plus my BP went up. I stopped when I started getting a nice bleed every morning. Tren is tge only drug to raise my BP and I probably should of stayed at 500mgs
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Ptpt how many cc's of tren a week were you running
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PTPT said:
This isn't mike snow's fault or anyone else. I have seen the best sources turn scammer in my time so regardless of what people say, it's always a gamble. I tried and liked his tren. I had all the normal symptoms and they were harsh as hell.
I have alot of his gear now and like everyone else here I don't know what to do with it. I have alot of other gear so it's not like I need it but I didn't get it for free. I paid for everything he sent me.

Odds are he probably got bad powder from china but regardless, the only thing mods can do is ban him and if they do that our chance of closure just went to 0.
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Well put,,,,
 
PTPT said:
I ran 900mgs a week. I always made my own from pellets and had thesame symptoms. I woke up every morning in a pile of sweat plus my BP went up. I stopped when I started getting a nice bleed every morning. Tren is tge only drug to raise my BP and I probably should of stayed at 500mgs
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I think we had talked about this before, not that there's anything wrong with running 900cc's a week but your average joe can't and won't even try to run 900cc's. There's no doubt it probably has tren in it but should we have to run 900cc's a week to get results. I ran 700cc's man with nothing, I mean I don't even feel the same. I can't give someone a g2g off of that, i mean for all I know you could of got a better batch than me but I can't see myself or anyone running 900cc's to get results just my opinion
 
Oh and ptpt, just from my experience with his test iv ran I would say it's all weak man so be careful what you use of his. Maybe you have better gear from him but mine is weak, like I said I don't even feel the same I feel like an 85 year old man right about now
 
I'm not using anything I got until some closure comes to this. I have his tren, test, deca and masteron. I know the tren was good but with everything going on I'm not jabbing my ass 4 times a week if there is tge slightest chance it's fake. Screw that. I wish I could use it but I'm running my bayer primo, Norma test and vermodje eq for now
 
PTPT said:
I'm not using anything I got until some closure comes to this. I have his tren, test, deca and masteron. I know the tren was good but with everything going on I'm not jabbing my ass 4 times a week if there is tge slightest chance it's fake. Screw that. I wish I could use it but I'm running my bayer primo, Norma test and vermodje eq for now
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Well you have some legit gear at least in the meantime.
 
Im a little over 10 days on tren-E without any of my normal tren symptoms that i would be getting by now. Ive ran legit tren >10 times and typically start getting night sweats <7 days in. Very disappointing. Ive emailed defcon so we'll see what he says.
 
Magneto said:
Im a little over 10 days on tren-E without any of my normal tren symptoms that i would be getting by now. Ive ran legit tren >10 times and typically start getting night sweats <7 days in. Very disappointing. Ive emailed defcon so we'll see what he says.
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That sucky cause I got tren E as well, hope that is was only ace.
 
Mr. Chicago said:
Yeah and he ruined his rep for bunk stuff, along with getting many good bros ripped off, what a guy right?
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Thats not really fair..As soon as he realized it was crap he got banned on this forum for things unrelated. He was the first to call scammer..Just like all you guys, he thought it was good gear working well...it wasnt...
 
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